Official RUSSELL WESTBROOK Thread (Traded to Utah)
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 355, 356, 357 ... 424, 425, 426  Next
 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> General Basketball Discussion Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
defense
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 39324

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:23 pm    Post subject:

YouCantSeeMe wrote:
hypothetically, if Westbrook does adjust his game, what is the best case scenario?

Becomes a 6th man type of player to come off bench and lead the second unit?

Could be in closing lineup depending on match up? Can he become a strict 3 + D player assuming he can make respectable rate of corner 3’s?


Best case scenario...

He turns into a defensing beast. Physically he has all the tools. On offense he focuses on setting teammates up as opposed to getting his. He takes very few 3 point shots. Only wide open 3's and mostly in the short corner. Lastly he does all the things that the casual fans don't pay attention to on both ends.

Sets screens
Cuts
Move without the ball
Pushes pace with intent on creating, but under control
Slows himself down when needed
Does not try to be the hero
Does not hunt rebounds
Boxes out
Sets aside his ego
Gets back to shooting 80% FT (this would be a godsend for him and the team)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
PenG_
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 01 Feb 2020
Posts: 10387

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:57 pm    Post subject:

Best case scenario is for Russ to become what Rondo was in the Bubble.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Rubin
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 23 Aug 2017
Posts: 632

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:02 pm    Post subject:

PenG_ wrote:
Best case scenario is for Russ to become what Rondo was in the Bubble.


Bubble Rondo accepted a limited bench role, shot lights out from 3, controlled the game on both ends with his historically high bball IQ, and was a revered, galvanizing locker room presence.

Which of those attributes do you see Russ capable of, let alone willing to, achieve?

Bubble Rondo and present-day Russ are quite literally polar opposite players.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LakerSD
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 10 Nov 2016
Posts: 23731

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:04 pm    Post subject:

Looks like he’s not going to back down and neither is the team.

They are making it known that he may not start and he’s going with the “even if you don’t like your job, you show up and be Russ.”
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
PenG_
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 01 Feb 2020
Posts: 10387

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:20 pm    Post subject:

Rubin wrote:
PenG_ wrote:
Best case scenario is for Russ to become what Rondo was in the Bubble.


Bubble Rondo accepted a limited bench role, shot lights out from 3, controlled the game on both ends with his historically high bball IQ, and was a revered, galvanizing locker room presence.

Which of those attributes do you see Russ capable of, let alone willing to, achieve?

Bubble Rondo and present-day Russ are quite literally polar opposite players.


Oh… I’m aware lol
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
TDRock
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 27 May 2010
Posts: 48600
Location: LA to the Bay

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:43 pm    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
Looks like he’s not going to back down and neither is the team.

They are making it known that he may not start and he’s going with the “even if you don’t like your job, you show up and be Russ.”


Yeah his interview was interesting.

If folks want to read into things instead of focusing on that one picture with AD and LeBron that looks totally different depending on what angle you look at it from, folks should check out his presser from today.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
epic_
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 23 Jan 2020
Posts: 11310

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:03 pm    Post subject:

I'm liking what he's saying so far.
We'll see how it plays out.
Must see training camp.
_________________
💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
defense
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 39324

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:29 am    Post subject:

TDRock wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Looks like he’s not going to back down and neither is the team.

They are making it known that he may not start and he’s going with the “even if you don’t like your job, you show up and be Russ.”


Yeah his interview was interesting.

If folks want to read into things instead of focusing on that one picture with AD and LeBron that looks totally different depending on what angle you look at it from, folks should check out his presser from today.


I don't expect him to change overnight. He has a stubborn personality. He will go out in flames before he concedes anything. There will be drama this season.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
lakersfever714
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 05 Jan 2016
Posts: 11600

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:12 am    Post subject:

PenG_ wrote:
Best case scenario is for Russ to become what Rondo was in the Bubble.


Huh? excellent 3pt shooting and amazing passing? Those are two of Brick's weakest traits. There's a better chance of Nunn becoming MVP than for Brick to be a 40% 3pt shooter with amazing handles and not turning the ball over.

Rondo and Bron were two of the best passers in the bubble. Brick would turn the ball over even without passing it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
PICKnPOP
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 14 Jul 2014
Posts: 5356

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:03 am    Post subject:



A different perspective of Russ defense
_________________
“like I never left”

#1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
PICKnPOP
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 14 Jul 2014
Posts: 5356

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:10 am    Post subject:

If we get a defensively locked in Westbrook this season and get out and run watch out ! The narrative on wb will change

_________________
“like I never left”

#1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
epic_
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 23 Jan 2020
Posts: 11310

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:26 pm    Post subject:

I'd be OK with the 30% 3PT shooting if he was back to the 80% FT

https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/1574872199063736321
_________________
💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
TDRock
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 27 May 2010
Posts: 48600
Location: LA to the Bay

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:32 pm    Post subject:

Sounds like practice is going well

Russell Westbrook on Darvin Ham’s first practice: “It’s always great to get a new coach’s energy.”

https://twitter.com/lakersreporter/status/1574872345012887552?s=46&t=CQ1H_pbabl7EB9i67hPW-w


Russell Westbrook on Day 1 of practice: “Great. … Super exciting day.”

https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/1574873024373075968?s=46&t=CQ1H_pbabl7EB9i67hPW-w


I mean who knows you know can't read peoples minds so who knows if that's just a soundbite or first day enthusiasm or what. But I am hopeful that the experience of working with a new head coach is beneficial for Russ while he's a Laker.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
hydrohead
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 14 Jul 2003
Posts: 4107
Location: Space City

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:00 pm    Post subject:

The happiest I’ve seen Russ as a Laker.


_________________
Darvin
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LakersMD
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 27 Jun 2003
Posts: 8014

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:03 pm    Post subject:

hydrohead wrote:
The happiest I’ve seen Russ as a Laker.



First day of training camp and a chance at a do-over for him with a new coach he (hopefully) respects. I’m not optimistic it’ll work out but I’m going to root for him to succeed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Atticus
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 11 Nov 2011
Posts: 2557

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:49 pm    Post subject:

Russ' defense is going to cap his upside. I'm not even that worried about his offense. But Russ has graded out among the worst perimeter defensive players in the league for several years. Even in his prime he was average at best. Obviously there are clips of him locking in on defense just like there are highlight reels of his offense last season, but over the course of a season he has always been super unreliable on that end.

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
lakersfever714
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 05 Jan 2016
Posts: 11600

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:28 pm    Post subject:

What happened last season with Vogel? Did Vogel not ask Brick to play defense? So Brick would listen to Ham but not to Vogel or MDA? I see...ok.

Seriously, I really want to know what happened between Brick and Vogel last season? I mean I'm almost positive that Vogel demanded that everyone put in the effort defensively. What happened then?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Kobetan
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 05 Sep 2020
Posts: 2941

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:10 pm    Post subject:

^^ from what the players have said in their interviews since last season, I get the sense that Vogel not being an ex player hasn't communicated super well with the players. And the year we won the chip it seems guys like Dudz and Rondo were the bridge between coach and players.

Especially last season with frustrations mounting, perhaps Vogel demanded the players do certain things that he thought was best but the players were not on the same page?

I just want to see if Ham is really gonna make a difference, or its just all talk
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46492

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:15 pm    Post subject:

Any 1 who has been on the anti-Westbrook train need to change there stance and just root for the guy to succeed, it’s the best approach to take.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
PICKnPOP
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 14 Jul 2014
Posts: 5356

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:58 pm    Post subject:


_________________
“like I never left”

#1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Megaton
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 18 Feb 2015
Posts: 25624

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:41 pm    Post subject:

lakersfever714 wrote:
What happened last season with Vogel? Did Vogel not ask Brick to play defense? So Brick would listen to Ham but not to Vogel or MDA? I see...ok.

Seriously, I really want to know what happened between Brick and Vogel last season? I mean I'm almost positive that Vogel demanded that everyone put in the effort defensively. What happened then?


Well….there is a possible easy explanation for it, but because it’s risky to say it, I’m holding my tongue.
_________________
Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
DShotMaker1824
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Feb 2012
Posts: 8767

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:14 am    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
What happened last season with Vogel? Did Vogel not ask Brick to play defense? So Brick would listen to Ham but not to Vogel or MDA? I see...ok.

Seriously, I really want to know what happened between Brick and Vogel last season? I mean I'm almost positive that Vogel demanded that everyone put in the effort defensively. What happened then?


Well….there is a possible easy explanation for it, but because it’s risky to say it, I’m holding my tongue.

Oh...
_________________

"Through the legs to the left, through the legs to the right, we don't run them Laker plays, we just Kobe fadeaway..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
defense
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 39324

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:15 am    Post subject:

DShotMaker1824 wrote:
Megaton wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
What happened last season with Vogel? Did Vogel not ask Brick to play defense? So Brick would listen to Ham but not to Vogel or MDA? I see...ok.

Seriously, I really want to know what happened between Brick and Vogel last season? I mean I'm almost positive that Vogel demanded that everyone put in the effort defensively. What happened then?


Well….there is a possible easy explanation for it, but because it’s risky to say it, I’m holding my tongue.

Oh...


Westbrook does not have the kind of personality that is going to responds to demands. Ham is going to learn the hard way.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:59 am    Post subject:

It sounds like everything is contingent upon defense for Ham.

No surprise the Lakers stocked up on PGs so they can still trade Russ and not worry about having a void at that position. Until then, it will be awkward b/c we have 4 PG sized players and all will want to play. I can't imagine Dennis re-signing with the Lakers to not play, and Bev/Nunn will want their 25mpg at least too. Then we have Lonnie/Reaves who are more prototypical SG sized players, and having them play at "SF" isn't ideal for them either.

If Russ starts, ideally his minutes are down to 24-26mpg so he can go hard and focus on defense. We will have 96 minutes per night at guard for 6 guards, which on paper translate to 16mpg each, which of course won't happen. Maybe we steal a few minutes at small ball SF for Reaves, but this is not tenable long-term. Someone (or several players) will not be happy.

I'm actually going to try to be positive about Russ so long as he's on our team. I hope he can play tough D and be a great distributor (which he actually is). His #s will take a plummet this year but I hope he doesn't dwell on that.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
lar9149
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 10 Jul 2010
Posts: 2342

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:12 am    Post subject:

I have a hard time deciding who will get more minutes WB or DS. Yes WB is the better player but as said above the emphasize seems to be on defense.

Although I like to believe WB can defend he never has and at best was an average defender.

DS on the other hand I can see as capable of being an awesome defender?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> General Basketball Discussion All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 355, 356, 357 ... 424, 425, 426  Next
Page 356 of 426
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2018 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB