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1995Lakers
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| I never thought I would come across a situation where I would prefer Westbrook over Irving.....but here we are..... |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| He's never going to be a great shooter. But, if he can keep the ball moving, limit his to's, and hustle on defense, or, in short, playing the game the right way, we can make some serious noise, especially after we do a deal or two after Dec.1 5th. |
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srekal2
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | I never thought I would come across a situation where I would prefer Westbrook over Irving.....but here we are..... |
Depending on other variables, but, yes |
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His stats might not be much different individually, but the move to come off the bench is paying off with wins and improved team play overall.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| 1 job- keep feeding ad |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 15 assists speak for themselves. |
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nevitt_smrek
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | 15 assists speak for themselves. |
If they have found winning combinations and play with confidence, no real need to make a trade. Let things keep rolling.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| nevitt_smrek wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | 15 assists speak for themselves. |
If they have found winning combinations and play with confidence, no real need to make a trade. Let things keep rolling. |
Team can be a lot better and more balanced by moving PatBev and Nunn |
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epic_
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | 15 assists speak for themselves. |
Didn't have a clean game with turnovers, but loving his chemistry with AD.
And he's making winning plays.
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alleyoop
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Yeah he's basically playing the Rondo role for us, except with more explosiveness and energy as a scorer, but more turnover-prone (averaging one more turnover per 36 than Rondo in 19-20)
Definitely something this team needs, especially if AD is going to keep playing at a high level
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Hanging from Rafters
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We all would like to see AD continue to beast as he's doing but it would be foolhardy to rely on it being sustainable for competitiveness...we need more. And though I no longer want to trade Russ, I do want to trade Bev/Nunn for an upgrade.
Ham has to keep an eye on Russ's mentality so that when he gets turnover prone, he can be reeled in or given less minutes.
I like his role now though...less shooting, facilitating the offense while focusing on defense.
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Love the Playoff Rondo comp. Russ is doing that now. The key is to know when he doesn’t have it for a particular game and go with someone else. I hated him like I did with Dwight in 2012-13. But Dwight came back with a different attitude and mentality and won us over. Russ is doing the same for me. Keep it going Russ!
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epic_
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| alleyoop wrote: | Yeah he's basically playing the Rondo role for us, except with more explosiveness and energy as a scorer, but more turnover-prone (averaging one more turnover per 36 than Rondo in 19-20)
Definitely something this team needs, especially if AD is going to keep playing at a high level |
Good point.
He is playing that Rondo role.
More athletic, less IQ.
A bad trend though is that his 3 pt% since coming off the bench is back down to 30% and his at the rim fg% is at 55% which isn't good. One thing Rondo didn't do was take bad shots. Westbrook has been better, but hopefully the freedom he's had these days doesn't get him back to making silly plays.
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| Russ is one of the best passers ever, none of our other guards possesses the same ability, with him on the floor, Lebron can take longer rests. He gets everyone involved. I think we have to live with the Turnovers. He is also finishing layups much better this season |
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epic_
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Russ is one of the best passers ever, none of our other guards possesses the same ability, with him on the floor, Lebron can take longer rests. He gets everyone involved. I think we have to live with the Turnovers. He is also finishing layups much better this season |
That's what I thought too, but his at the rim % is actually lower than last year 
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alleyoop
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| epic_ wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | Yeah he's basically playing the Rondo role for us, except with more explosiveness and energy as a scorer, but more turnover-prone (averaging one more turnover per 36 than Rondo in 19-20)
Definitely something this team needs, especially if AD is going to keep playing at a high level |
Good point.
He is playing that Rondo role.
More athletic, less IQ.
A bad trend though is that his 3 pt% since coming off the bench is back down to 30% and his at the rim fg% is at 55% which isn't good. One thing Rondo didn't do was take bad shots. Westbrook has been better, but hopefully the freedom he's had these days doesn't get him back to making silly plays. |
Yeah, it feels like he's been better at the rim, but the stats seem to say otherwise. Maybe as he's taking fewer shots, his inefficiency isn't quite as noticeable as last year?
That said, regular season Rondo wasn't exactly Mr Efficient either, although Playoff Rondo is another story. I think it's manageable with Westbrook, as long as he continues to focus primarily on the playmaking side of his game, and maybe takes a few less shots (basically like he's done the past two games)
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Russ is one of the best passers ever, none of our other guards possesses the same ability, with him on the floor, Lebron can take longer rests. He gets everyone involved. I think we have to live with the Turnovers. He is also finishing layups much better this season |
That's what I thought too, but his at the rim % is actually lower than last year |
He is shooting 49% from with in 5 feet, that is good enough for me, he is also taking less shots.
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201566/shooting |
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hype
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Russ is one of the best passers ever, none of our other guards possesses the same ability, with him on the floor, Lebron can take longer rests. He gets everyone involved. I think we have to live with the Turnovers. He is also finishing layups much better this season |
That's what I thought too, but his at the rim % is actually lower than last year |
He is shooting 49% from with in 5 feet, that is good enough for me, he is also taking less shots.
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201566/shooting |
He certainly looked MUCH worse then even last Season early this year so I think that really lowered the overall numbers as well. I'm guessing it's much better the last while versus earlier in the Season so hopefully that number slowly climbs a bit higher.
The Russ turnaround has been crazy and on top of him becoming a legitimate positive for us he now kills any desperate moves our FO might have made and we can now wait out solid offers or just simply make no move at all if he continues to work so well with AD especially.
I don't believe AD and Bron can keep up there current pace health wise or production wise at all for the entire Season and Playoffs though so we desperately still need at least a bit more depth so we can survive the few inevitable scares we'll face at points this Season. Seeing them both play this way shows they can absolutely compete still though if we get them just a bit more help along with some major health luck. |
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| hype wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Russ is one of the best passers ever, none of our other guards possesses the same ability, with him on the floor, Lebron can take longer rests. He gets everyone involved. I think we have to live with the Turnovers. He is also finishing layups much better this season |
That's what I thought too, but his at the rim % is actually lower than last year |
He is shooting 49% from with in 5 feet, that is good enough for me, he is also taking less shots.
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201566/shooting |
He certainly looked MUCH worse then even last Season early this year so I think that really lowered the overall numbers as well. I'm guessing it's much better the last while versus earlier in the Season so hopefully that number slowly climbs a bit higher.
The Russ turnaround has been crazy and on top of him becoming a legitimate positive for us he now kills any desperate moves our FO might have made and we can now wait out solid offers or just simply make no move at all if he continues to work so well with AD especially.
I don't believe AD and Bron can keep up there current pace health wise or production wise at all for the entire Season and Playoffs though so we desperately still need at least a bit more depth so we can survive the few inevitable scares we'll face at points this Season. Seeing them both play this way shows they can absolutely compete still though if we get them just a bit more help along with some major health luck. |
Playoff is only a short stretch, if lebron and Ad can be ready for that, I don’t think many teams want to play the lakers as a lower seed. They’ve been the hottest team in the NBA for the last 10 games. There is hope for this team now because of how dominant AD is, and Russ was a key reason as he was feeding the ball to Ad. Russ is by no means a perfect player, but this current Russ is helping the lakers a lot. |
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hype
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | hype wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Russ is one of the best passers ever, none of our other guards possesses the same ability, with him on the floor, Lebron can take longer rests. He gets everyone involved. I think we have to live with the Turnovers. He is also finishing layups much better this season |
That's what I thought too, but his at the rim % is actually lower than last year |
He is shooting 49% from with in 5 feet, that is good enough for me, he is also taking less shots.
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201566/shooting |
He certainly looked MUCH worse then even last Season early this year so I think that really lowered the overall numbers as well. I'm guessing it's much better the last while versus earlier in the Season so hopefully that number slowly climbs a bit higher.
The Russ turnaround has been crazy and on top of him becoming a legitimate positive for us he now kills any desperate moves our FO might have made and we can now wait out solid offers or just simply make no move at all if he continues to work so well with AD especially.
I don't believe AD and Bron can keep up there current pace health wise or production wise at all for the entire Season and Playoffs though so we desperately still need at least a bit more depth so we can survive the few inevitable scares we'll face at points this Season. Seeing them both play this way shows they can absolutely compete still though if we get them just a bit more help along with some major health luck. |
Playoff is only a short stretch, if lebron and Ad can be ready for that, I don’t think many teams want to play the lakers as a lower seed. They’ve been the hottest team in the NBA for the last 10 games. There is hope for this team now because of how dominant AD is, and Russ was a key reason as he was feeding the ball to Ad. Russ is by no means a perfect player, but this current Russ is helping the lakers a lot. |
I mostly agree But... While the Playoffs might be a short stretch, the journey to get there is very long.. The biggest issue is from now until the Playoffs to continue to look like they currently do which has been a huge problem every year outside of when they got the extended rest before starting there bubble run. I do agree Russ is absolutely a huge reason for the recent run though and like others have talked about, i'd probably prefer a couple smaller moves if possible versus doing some of the mediocre at best offers that have been rumored this Season. I was extremely tough on Russ but i'm happily cheering for the version we've seen during this run and even a bit before tbf.
Counting on AD, Bron and Russ to all stay fully healthy and playing great every game is a bit rough though especially with AD playing THIS good. If AD has this kind of fire in him consistently again we def. need to go all in to get him the help because we can compete with anyone as he's the key to opening any legitimate chances we have. |
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imagine if he led the league in assists from the bench
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:24 am Post subject: |
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He has really changed his mindset.
Last year, he was looking for his own shot way too often, or monopolizing possessions.
This year, seems to be better shot selection, quicker decisions.
Even though it doesn't seem like it, his 3% is around the same as last year. (Last year 29.8%, this year, 30.6%). But he's making less "loud" 3 point shooting mistakes and being more judicious.
The only thing to watch for is that in 6 less minutes per game, he is still at 3.5 turnovers per game compared to 3.8 last game. If we get to the playoffs, he will have to be much more careful on that end.
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | imagine if he led the league in assists from the bench |
I can, Russ-AD lobs been looking real good too |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | imagine if he led the league in assists from the bench |
I think this would be a good thing for the team, so I hope he does. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | He has really changed his mindset.
Last year, he was looking for his own shot way too often, or monopolizing possessions.
This year, seems to be better shot selection, quicker decisions.
Even though it doesn't seem like it, his 3% is around the same as last year. (Last year 29.8%, this year, 30.6%). But he's making less "loud" 3 point shooting mistakes and being more judicious.
The only thing to watch for is that in 6 less minutes per game, he is still at 3.5 turnovers per game compared to 3.8 last game. If we get to the playoffs, he will have to be much more careful on that end. |
I am pleasantly surprised to see how he turned things around. Props to him.
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