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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:10 pm    Post subject:

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Keep working on your handles, Russ!




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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:59 pm    Post subject:

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Russ's impact metrics are a perfect curve. It's obvious we weren't getting OKC Russ, but if we had even just gotten Rockets Russ as our third best player, this might have worked out. But look at how he drops off defensively on the Wizards. Last year he was in the negatives for wins above replacement in total.

Anyway, if this trend continues he's going to get even worse.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:30 pm    Post subject:

I'll give Westbrook this: I'd rather have him than Randle. Randle's contract is brutal, and he comes with a lot of the same problems that Westbrook does. I believe Randle's all-NBA team year was the right combination of him being on a team of good role players with him being the only ball-dominant player and him being on a contract year.

Westbrook's contract expires after a year. I don't see Randle helping the Lakers much, and the Lakers would be saddled with him for far longer than Westbrook if Westbrook isn't traded. Randle has 3 more seasons after this upcoming season.

Every other possible deal I've seen sounds good though. Kyrie + shooter, Turner + Hield, or a variety of role player combinations from Utah would help this team.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:30 pm    Post subject:

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I'll give Westbrook this: I'd rather have him than Randle. Randle's contract is brutal, and he comes with a lot of the same problems that Westbrook does. I believe Randle's all-NBA team year was the right combination of him being on a team of good role players with him being the only ball-dominant player and him being on a contract year.

Westbrook's contract expires after a year. I don't see Randle helping the Lakers much, and the Lakers would be saddled with him for far longer than Westbrook if Westbrook isn't traded. Randle has 3 more seasons after this upcoming season.

Every other possible deal I've seen sounds good though. Kyrie + shooter, Turner + Hield, or a variety of role player combinations from Utah would help this team.


Nah I'd take Randle over Westbrook if those 2 are the only options and the contract length is the same, especially on a team with lebron.

Regardless how overrated his season was that year, randle at least showed he could possibly coexist with lebron by shooting 40% on 5 attempts from 3. Westbrook has never shot the 3 ball well. His mvp year still showed him shooting at 34% on 7.5 attempts, which is barely average.

Westbrook has never shown the ability he could fit with lebron to win a championship. People will point out wade and his lack of ability to shoot the 3, but he was still more efficient when miami won its first championship as the big 3 than any point of westbrook's career.

That doesn't mean I'm rushing to trade for Randle. Westbrook was so bad last year, however, to where I believe it's better to John Wall him at this point. Trying to develop talent would still be better than hoping this experiment works. It'll be a bumpy ride regardless, but the reward is far more plausible going with youth over westbrook despite Ham's statements.

The FO won't do so for obvious reasons. Unfortunately, his value is not only that of an expiring contract, but it's possibly the worst expiring contract in the league. There's a reason teams are rumored to buy him out if they ever trade for him.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:59 pm    Post subject:

I don’t see how you can bring Westbrook to training camp when he’s fully aware that AD and LeBron are pushing for the FO to get Irving, you are basically risking the chance of next year being a lost cause if you decide to bring him back.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:14 am    Post subject:

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I don’t see how you can bring Westbrook to training camp when he’s fully aware that AD and LeBron are pushing for the FO to get Irving, you are basically risking the chance of next year being a lost cause if you decide to bring him back.


Westbrook is under contract and the Lakers are about avoiding the repeater tax in 2023. They know that Lebron’s window has likely passed and they need to prepare for post-Lebron so they aren’t willing to give up their future for a half-assed attempt to go 1 or 2 rounds into the playoffs. They tried that last offseason and it has cost them dearly. Lebron, AD and Westbrook might just have to behave as adults this season.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:16 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
I don’t see how you can bring Westbrook to training camp when he’s fully aware that AD and LeBron are pushing for the FO to get Irving, you are basically risking the chance of next year being a lost cause if you decide to bring him back.


It is a recurring theme. How many players have had to just deal with it on James’ teams? He doesn’t exactly hide his intentions or desires when joining a team or when the trade deadline is approaching.

They understand it is James’ world and they just get to orbit around him. Until a better option presents itself. Including All-Stars and young players alike.

If the right deal does not present itself, the FO should hold the line on assets. Big 3 need to suck it up, put grievances behind them and find a way to play together as they wanted.

Who knows? With a new HC and revamped younger roster depth that can actually contribute some mpg they might find a way to have a nice solid mediocre season instead of the cluster**** we had to watch last year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:01 am    Post subject:

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Inspector Gadget wrote:
I don’t see how you can bring Westbrook to training camp when he’s fully aware that AD and LeBron are pushing for the FO to get Irving, you are basically risking the chance of next year being a lost cause if you decide to bring him back.


Westbrook is under contract and the Lakers are about avoiding the repeater tax in 2023. They know that Lebron’s window has likely passed and they need to prepare for post-Lebron so they aren’t willing to give up their future for a half-assed attempt to go 1 or 2 rounds into the playoffs. They tried that last offseason and it has cost them dearly. Lebron, AD and Westbrook might just have to behave as adults this season.


Money always talk loud but man I hope you’re wrong. Seeing the Celtics in the finals should tilt Jeanie’s perspective a little bit, she’s gotta know she’s being judged by #18 at this point but yeah, completely understand the money factor
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:06 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
I don’t see how you can bring Westbrook to training camp when he’s fully aware that AD and LeBron are pushing for the FO to get Irving, you are basically risking the chance of next year being a lost cause if you decide to bring him back.


They can send him home till the trade deadline if they wan to be nice...if they want to play hardball they can suspend/fine him if is throwing tantrums. The (bleep) show cant get any worse than it already is
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:40 pm    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
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They've practically tried to trade him to SAN, IND and BRK with no takers, unless there's 2 picks.


The moronic front office giving out FRP's in the past set a precedent, now were bled of assets - its become now a mandatory piece to any negotiation with the Lakers.


Has nothing to do with precedent. If he were any good teams would want him. But they don’t. So they need an incentive. .


Teams want one FRP for Russ which is still bull (bleep) because teams have taken other expirings for less. But whatever, let’s say FRP is the market for taking on Russ to waive him (Laker tax). The issue is teams using past desperation and irresponsible (bleep) by the Lakers FO/Klutch to get as much as they can.

In any business, once you have a reputation…it’s difficult to change peoples’ perception of you.


Not all expirings are created equal. I’m sure Houston would have liked something for Wall. They couldn’t offload it either because when you have an average to bad player making nearly $50M nobody wants it without incentive. Our reputation aside, the reason we can’t move him is he stinks and makes a ton of money. If one of those things were different we could move him for less.


Let’s say Houston wanted FRP for Wall. That’s fine and no one bit.

The idea that teams want 2 FRPs for Russ is ludicrous. I just think the Lakers have this reputation of giving you what you want. Kyrie, given all his issues, no other team would dare touch him but the Lakers have to give up a FRP? Something is not adding up unless you factor in the reputation of this FO/Klutch regime.


Don’t be scared, just say Pelinka.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:57 pm    Post subject:

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Just saw a post (sorry idk how to share it on here):

“Westbrook has missed the most layups (2898) since the NBA started tracking in the 1996 season”

:lol:


This can’t be correct…that’s almost 3 missed layups a game over his career.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:02 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
I don’t see how you can bring Westbrook to training camp when he’s fully aware that AD and LeBron are pushing for the FO to get Irving, you are basically risking the chance of next year being a lost cause if you decide to bring him back.


Westbrook is under contract and the Lakers are about avoiding the repeater tax in 2023. They know that Lebron’s window has likely passed and they need to prepare for post-Lebron so they aren’t willing to give up their future for a half-assed attempt to go 1 or 2 rounds into the playoffs. They tried that last offseason and it has cost them dearly. Lebron, AD and Westbrook might just have to behave as adults this season.


So no need for anyone in the FO or ownership to act like adults? Just on the players is it?

And prepare for post-Lebron how? This crew in charge excels at deflecting blame, not taking responsibility, making idiotic decisions, and missing the playoffs. Their post-Lebron future is a Donald Sterling era Clippers decade or three of futility.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:04 pm    Post subject:

RG73 wrote:
Brawn13 wrote:
Just saw a post (sorry idk how to share it on here):

“Westbrook has missed the most layups (2898) since the NBA started tracking in the 1996 season”



This can’t be correct…that’s almost 3 missed layups a game over his career.


Maybe they counted the practice layups as well or they included his college days?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:49 am    Post subject:

lakersfever714 wrote:
RG73 wrote:
Brawn13 wrote:
Just saw a post (sorry idk how to share it on here):

“Westbrook has missed the most layups (2898) since the NBA started tracking in the 1996 season”



This can’t be correct…that’s almost 3 missed layups a game over his career.


Maybe they counted the practice layups as well or they included his college days?


If you’ve watched him over the years, he’s never really been an elite finisher around the rim. If he can elevate and dunk, yes, but if you make him shoot over or around you his lack of touch shows at the basket just as it does farther out. Be actually was better last year than his career numbers. People have seen the dunks and the raw numbers, but Westbrook has always been a pretty inefficient scorer.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:13 am    Post subject:

RG73 wrote:
Brawn13 wrote:
Just saw a post (sorry idk how to share it on here):

“Westbrook has missed the most layups (2898) since the NBA started tracking in the 1996 season”



This can’t be correct…that’s almost 3 missed layups a game over his career.


It depends on how many times he went to the rim compared to other players. This is not necessarily an extraordinary number. The stat gives a mental image of Westbrook missing an uncontested layup, but in fact, the stat will include contested layups including blocks. Common sense tells us that someone who attacks the rim a lot is going to "miss" a lot of layups. Westbrook was never an elite finisher, but this stat makes him sound a lot worse than he really was.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:20 am    Post subject:

RG73 wrote:
Brawn13 wrote:
Just saw a post (sorry idk how to share it on here):

“Westbrook has missed the most layups (2898) since the NBA started tracking in the 1996 season”



This can’t be correct…that’s almost 3 missed layups a game over his career.


Russell Westbrook Is Not As Good As You Think At The Rim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLVjVKTAReQ
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:10 pm    Post subject:

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Los Angeles Lakers star Russell Westbrook has signed with agent Jeff Schwartz of @ExcelSports for his representation, Westbrook told ESPN on Monday afternoon.


Congrats, Jeff!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:46 pm    Post subject:

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Los Angeles Lakers star Russell Westbrook has signed with agent Jeff Schwartz of @ExcelSports for his representation, Westbrook told ESPN on Monday afternoon.


Congrats, Jeff!


lol, they're probably popping champagnes at the office
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:17 pm    Post subject:

Overall, the new agent signing should be a positive for us.

We need another person besides Pelinka advocating for Russ to other teams with some credibility.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:18 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
RG73 wrote:
Brawn13 wrote:
Just saw a post (sorry idk how to share it on here):

“Westbrook has missed the most layups (2898) since the NBA started tracking in the 1996 season”



This can’t be correct…that’s almost 3 missed layups a game over his career.


Maybe they counted the practice layups as well or they included his college days?


If you’ve watched him over the years
, he’s never really been an elite finisher around the rim. If he can elevate and dunk, yes, but if you make him shoot over or around you his lack of touch shows at the basket just as it does farther out. Be actually was better last year than his career numbers. People have seen the dunks and the raw numbers, but Westbrook has always been a pretty inefficient scorer.


Apparently the front office didn't.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:20 pm    Post subject:

Hopefully they can EXCELerate him outta LA.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:45 pm    Post subject:

Of Russell, former NBA player and head coach Don Nelson said: "There are two types of superstars. One makes himself look good at the expense of the other guys on the floor. But there's another type who makes the players around him look better than they are, and that's the type Russell was."

R.I.P. Bill Russell. Too bad he's not talking about our Russell (Westbrook)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:02 pm    Post subject:

LakerDYnasty72 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
RG73 wrote:
Brawn13 wrote:
Just saw a post (sorry idk how to share it on here):

“Westbrook has missed the most layups (2898) since the NBA started tracking in the 1996 season”



This can’t be correct…that’s almost 3 missed layups a game over his career.


Maybe they counted the practice layups as well or they included his college days?




If you’ve watched him over the years
, he’s never really been an elite finisher around the rim. If he can elevate and dunk, yes, but if you make him shoot over or around you his lack of touch shows at the basket just as it does farther out. Be actually was better last year than his career numbers. People have seen the dunks and the raw numbers, but Westbrook has always been a pretty inefficient scorer.


Apparently the front office didn't.


Nunn is 1000x better rim finisher than old man Brodie
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:54 pm    Post subject:

LakerDYnasty72 wrote:
Of Russell, former NBA player and head coach Don Nelson said: "There are two types of superstars. One makes himself look good at the expense of the other guys on the floor. But there's another type who makes the players around him look better than they are, and that's the type Russell was."

R.I.P. Bill Russell. Too bad he's not talking about our Russell (Westbrook)


Yep, our Russell is 100% that other type sadly.

Bill was just straight up a pretty amazing human being from all accounts I heard/read/seen over the years and one of the very few Celtics I never really have/had a bad thing to say about on or off the court.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:49 am    Post subject:

With RW signing with a new agent that specializes on huge buyout, I surely hope the Lakers don’t cave in if we still have RW in the roster this season and thing is just not working out. We just got out of Deng money weight, just hoping the lakers just send him home.
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