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vasashi17+
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| KBandKB wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | KBandKB wrote: | | oaktown_dimond wrote: | As in Darvin doesn't want austin to show out in a contract year? Makes sense. Ham loves him some AR15!
| KBandKB wrote: | | Mr. efficient. I’m fully convinced the only reason he’s not starting is due to that cap hold rule for next season. |
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I was talking about the scenario where if he starts more than 40 games his cap hold is about $2.2 million more than his cap hold as a non-starter I believe. |
I have never heard anything about a cap hold being affected by how many games a player starts.
Since Reeves is an early-bird free agent, his cap hold next year will be 130% of his current salary.
Since he currently makes $1.56 million, that would place his cap hold at $2 million.
As an early bird free agent, he is eligible for a contract with a starting salary up to 105% of the league average, or about $12 million. |
I think the “starter” criteria depends on whether the lakers will treat him as a RFA or a UFA. Pincus describes it in his tweet here:
https://twitter.com/ericpincus/status/1562907919380729862?s=46&t=jdJeYQXFBwPyN9WaJrJcvQ |
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| Quote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | Is it possible to pay Reaves as much as we want? |
In addition to what @twisted & @DB said, if dude gets a ridiculous offer from another team, we can match it, but it will create a poison pill contract situation. For example, if a team offers him his true max (ie 25% max of 34m per for 4yrs), we could use his early bird exception (non hard cap route) or the ntpMLE (hard cap route) to match the offer. However it would lead to a contract structure as such:
Yr1: 11.6m
Yr2: 12.2m
Yr3: 54.9m
Yr4: 57.3m
= 4yr/136m aka poison pill contract
But here’s the thing, we actually have cap space next summer and could open up 34m in room to actually match the offer sheet without using the Gilbert Arenas provision and in effect avoid loading our cap sheet with a poison pill contract.
And need say, no team submits an offer, we can keep Reaves at his early bird rate of ~12.5m as a capped out team OR offer him up to his max of 34m per as a cap space team.
As for the “starter criteria”, it was posted earlier in this thread, but here it is again with updated numbers:
| Quote: | Re: “starter criteria” involving his qualifying offer/caphold next summer impacting our available cap space:
As of now, he only counts as 2.1m on our books next summer, but if dude starts in at least 41 games or plays at least 2000 minutes, his caphold gets bumped up by meeting “starter criteria” aka ~6.2m caphold.
Right now, dude has started in 5 game and played 386mins total. With Russ heading to the bench until a trade for him is executed, Reaves is looking to go into that starter territory. If that’s the case, expect roughly 4m cutting into our potential space next summer. |
Also, starter criteria is based off regular season stats and not the postseason. |
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scout_0
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Mr Efficient 
Its funny that Beverly, Brown and Walker start over him |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| scout_0 wrote: | Mr Efficient
Its funny that Beverly, Brown and Walker start over him |
69.9 true shooting %, my god |
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BILBJH
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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The loss of Caruso might save us from losing Reaves.
They aren't going to make that mistake again. |
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Brawn13
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| He’s playing like he knows he can ball up fools now. Love the confidence |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| BILBJH wrote: | The loss of Caruso might save us from losing Reaves.
They aren't going to make that mistake again. |
Don't put it pass this front office.
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| Dude showing people he's for real. Love this guy. Baller. |
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LakerFan1987
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever it takes to keep this guy.
Basically he's Gordon Hayward with some moxie. |
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LakerFan1987
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Yr1: 11.6m
Yr2: 12.2m
Yr3: 54.9m
Yr4: 57.3m
= 4yr/136m aka poison pill contract
Nobody will give him that. I can see something in the 4 yr $60-80M range. |
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Probably time to stop comparing him to Alex Caruso.
I don’t think Caruso can score points like he does even on his best days. |
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LakerFan1987
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| lar9149 wrote: | Probably time to stop comparing him to Alex Caruso.
I don’t think Caruso can score points like he does even on his best days. |
Caruso defense and athleticism trumps Austin.
But Austin is the far superior offensive player.
Both have that x-factor where they can make big game changing plays and come up big in key moments. |
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I'm really surprised at his shooting.
I knew he had a good mind for the game and thought he would be really good if his shot came around. I just never thought he would be near the 50/40/90 club.
I love it.
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I know it's a lazy comparison to compare the unheralded white dude with the other unheralded white dude but they took Caruso for granted and thought they could just easily replace him.
So they are very different in many ways... but not in the way the front office undervalues non big name players.
I will spit with anger if they let him walk like they did with Caruso. |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | lar9149 wrote: | Probably time to stop comparing him to Alex Caruso.
I don’t think Caruso can score points like he does even on his best days. |
Caruso defense and athleticism trumps Austin.
But Austin is the far superior offensive player.
Both have that x-factor where they can make big game changing plays and come up big in key moments. |
Having watched both from g-league nobodies to NBA level players, I think Reaves has the better archetype overall. Better offense, much better playmaker, higher offensive IQ, solid defender, solid athlete
Caruso's only superior attribute is defense, he's also (knock on wood for Reaves) more injury prone so far
Caruso to me caps out at extremely good role player, Reaves has all-star potential |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| BILBJH wrote: | I know it's a lazy comparison to compare the unheralded white dude with the other unheralded white dude but they took Caruso for granted and thought they could just easily replace him.
So they are very different in many ways... but not in the way the front office undervalues non big name players.
I will spit with anger if they let him walk like they did with Caruso. |
I think Reaves has more obviously irreplaceable talents. Dude looks like Ginobli or Luka out there sometimes with his control of the game. If the FO gives him up they're extremely stupid
Caruso I could see how they could think "oh why pay him we can find a defensive specialist," though obviously that was stupid of them too |
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BILBJH
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| Don Draper wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | I know it's a lazy comparison to compare the unheralded white dude with the other unheralded white dude but they took Caruso for granted and thought they could just easily replace him.
So they are very different in many ways... but not in the way the front office undervalues non big name players.
I will spit with anger if they let him walk like they did with Caruso. |
I think Reaves has more obviously irreplaceable talents. Dude looks like Ginobli or Luka out there sometimes with his control of the game. If the FO gives him up they're extremely stupid
Caruso I could see how they could think "oh why pay him we can find a defensive specialist," though obviously that was stupid of them too |
Yeah I can see that... Reaves is a lot more confident with the ball than Caruso other than driving and dunking. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Reaves is 4th on the team in minutes, behind only AD, LeBron and Walker. Let that sink in.
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| epic_ wrote: | I'm really surprised at his shooting.
I knew he had a good mind for the game and thought he would be really good if his shot came around. I just never thought he would be near the 50/40/90 club.
I love it. |
I am more surprised by how his handles have improved this year. Elite, imo
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Reaves appears to be an above average three-level scorer. He's basically automatic around the rim (would love for him to teach Russ his touch) and he's got smooth moves in the midrange. I think we're all wary to deem anybody a 3pt shooter until we've seen them do it consistently over multiple seasons, but so far, so good. Great handles too. He seems to *ALWAYS* make the right decision, from when to pass to when to relocate. Super unselfish. My only gripe would be that, considering his efficiency and skill, he should be even more aggressive as a scorer.
He's also a super solid and savvy defender. Not dominant or a disrupter. But he stays in front of his man and alters/contests shots. |
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| This kid is amazing. |
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| ArminNBA wrote: | Reaves appears to be an above average three-level scorer. He's basically automatic around the rim (would love for him to teach Russ his touch) and he's got smooth moves in the midrange. I think we're all wary to deem anybody a 3pt shooter until we've seen them do it consistently over multiple seasons, but so far, so good. Great handles too. He seems to *ALWAYS* make the right decision, from when to pass to when to relocate. Super unselfish. My only gripe would be that, considering his efficiency and skill, he should be even more aggressive as a scorer.
He's also a super solid and savvy defender. Not dominant or a disrupter. But he stays in front of his man and alters/contests shots. |
This is a very accurate, and astute, analysis.
I would also like to add that Austin is very steady, and consistent. Because of his unselfish mentality, he won't always put up big scoring numbers. But, he's always trying to figure out what the team needs, and filling that need. Does the little intangible things, as well as the bigger tangible things. Us Reaves fans have been knowing this from jump. This kid is NOT a meme.
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He plays the game smart. He is not out there trying to put big numbers.
At 24 years old, we should definitely try to sign him to a reasonable long-term contract. |
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| Heck of a game. He's that dude you would want as your 5th guy out there, a glue guy who does a bit of everything on offense. Nice to see him do well, I just wonder how much it will cost the Lakers to keep him if he keeps this up. |
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