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| With how lazy much of the team was being on defense even late it was him imo that really turned the team on defensively late in the third. Then Bradley came back in and also had the same kind of energy. I wasn't a fan of the Bradley signing as much when it happened but between the injuries and lack of defensive effort by much of the team thus far it's been a much needed addition! |
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The early defensive performance from Reaves and ability to pick up Bradley off of waivers gives me hope there’s a guard rotation that could end up being decent defensively. If you can coach up Russ to give second efforts more often, and get Nunn back, you have four guys that can do something on that end. At that point you don’t need to play Rondo and only play Monk when you need a sniper and/or when he can hang with his opponent defensively.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Austin Reeves is the most likable Laker.......period.
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| EchoZulu wrote: | | Austin Reeves is the most likable Laker.......period. |
Yea he is pretty ridiculous, rookie who is ready to contribute since day 1, and can legitimately play with our best guys. I mean, him being a starter on our squad isn't a ludicrous notion at all (even tho it won't happen) |
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| Kobetan wrote: | | EchoZulu wrote: | | Austin Reeves is the most likable Laker.......period. |
Yea he is pretty ridiculous, rookie who is ready to contribute since day 1, and can legitimately play with our best guys. I mean, him being a starter on our squad isn't a ludicrous notion at all (even tho it won't happen) |
Who gets pushed out of the rotation? What does Vogel do here?
THT/Nunn/Bazemore/Monk/Ellington/Ariza/Reaves/Bradley/Rondo |
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Corner 3.
Fighting and forcing a Jump ball on Mobley.
Faking the 3 and driving, then passing the ball, causing the opposing D to be lost.
Man D.
This kid is just like having Caruso, only with better IQ/offense skills, and less athleticism.
Bradley and he have won me over big time. |
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blackmamba08
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Rookie who is smart, high IQ and gives everything on the court. What else we can ask for.
I have to give big props to AR, well done and keep going. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | EchoZulu wrote: | | Austin Reeves is the most likable Laker.......period. |
Yea he is pretty ridiculous, rookie who is ready to contribute since day 1, and can legitimately play with our best guys. I mean, him being a starter on our squad isn't a ludicrous notion at all (even tho it won't happen) |
Who gets pushed out of the rotation? What does Vogel do here?
THT/Nunn/Bazemore/Monk/Ellington/Ariza/Reaves/Bradley/Rondo |
Rondo does not expect to play every game so there's that, but the most likely guy to be left out of the rotation would be Ellington imo. Evidently from the past few games plus preseason, we can't have too many defensive liabilities on the floor at the same time. Plus we have guys who either can shoot + defend, or shoot + create. Ellington even though quite elite in shooting, is pretty one-dimensional..
The team quite obviously have bigger plans for THT, and likely Nunn, but I hope coach will end up playing whoever deserves PT more. In crunch time so far, I would have to say I trust Reaves more than THT, unless we don't have another shot creator in the game then THT hands down. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| Kobetan wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | EchoZulu wrote: | | Austin Reeves is the most likable Laker.......period. |
Yea he is pretty ridiculous, rookie who is ready to contribute since day 1, and can legitimately play with our best guys. I mean, him being a starter on our squad isn't a ludicrous notion at all (even tho it won't happen) |
Who gets pushed out of the rotation? What does Vogel do here?
THT/Nunn/Bazemore/Monk/Ellington/Ariza/Reaves/Bradley/Rondo |
Rondo does not expect to play every game so there's that, but the most likely guy to be left out of the rotation would be Ellington imo. Evidently from the past few games plus preseason, we can't have too many defensive liabilities on the floor at the same time. Plus we have guys who either can shoot + defend, or shoot + create. Ellington even though quite elite in shooting, is pretty one-dimensional..
The team quite obviously have bigger plans for THT, and likely Nunn, but I hope coach will end up playing whoever deserves PT more. In crunch time so far, I would have to say I trust Reaves more than THT, unless we don't have another shot creator in the game then THT hands down. |
Going to be hard to bench guys like THT and Nunn… Nunn is a back up PG and THT is suppose to have a break out year this year. Specially after resigning. I’m assuming it will be Ellington/Monk who gets pushed out as they are 2 weakest defender in that group. But Not sure where Reaves fits in once all those guys are healthy. Going to be a tough decision for Vogel for sure. I hope Vogel don’t play it hockey line up style. |
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Monk has talent, but I sense he will be packaged in a deal at some point by trade deadline. There is no way we keep all the guards we have right now. Based on what I have seen so far, Bradley is a must stay as we need 2-way. Reaves, and Baze as well. Now you have to evaluate how THT, Ellington, Nunn fit as 2-way guys. Ariza too. If they do, then you don't need Monk at all.
2-way guys for sure: Bradley, Baze, Reaves
1-way guys with O value: Melo, Monk, Rondo
1-way guys with D value: Dwight
I put Dwight with one way value because unless he's got the ball next to the rim, his value on O is naught, and since we have Westbrook we need that paint open.
Lets see where Ellington, THT, Nunn, Ariza fit in. Once we see what they can do, I believe Pelinka will be making some moves. |
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miggz23
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Monk has talent, but I sense he will be packaged in a deal at some point by trade deadline. There is no way we keep all the guards we have right now. Based on what I have seen so far, Bradley is a must stay as we need 2-way. Reaves, and Baze as well. Now you have to evaluate how THT, Ellington, Nunn fit as 2-way guys. Ariza too. If they do, then you don't need Monk at all.
2-way guys for sure: Bradley, Baze, Reaves
1-way guys with O value: Melo, Monk, Rondo
1-way guys with D value: Dwight
I put Dwight with one way value because unless he's got the ball next to the rim, his value on O is naught, and since we have Westbrook we need that paint open.
Lets see where Ellington, THT, Nunn, Ariza fit in. Once we see what they can do, I believe Pelinka will be making some moves. |
Their biggest need right now is a back up 4. We saw that in the 2 games without Bron… So I see them putting a little package for a back up 4 by the trade deadline. Unless Vogel is planning a AD/Melo/Ariza/THT/Nunn line up to close the quarter and when Lebron sits. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | EchoZulu wrote: | | Austin Reeves is the most likable Laker.......period. |
Yea he is pretty ridiculous, rookie who is ready to contribute since day 1, and can legitimately play with our best guys. I mean, him being a starter on our squad isn't a ludicrous notion at all (even tho it won't happen) |
Who gets pushed out of the rotation? What does Vogel do here?
THT/Nunn/Bazemore/Monk/Ellington/Ariza/Reaves/Bradley/Rondo |
THT gonna get minute, we invest in him and he's familiar with Bron/AD
Nunn has proven himself with Miami, he'll get minutes too
Reaves/Bradley will get minutes since they scrap hard on D
Ellington/Ariza/Bazemore gonna be whoever's hot
Rondo/Monk 3rd string (Reaves might be here as season goes along, hope not)
Adjust as necessary |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Reaves is a more polished offensive player.
Caruso developed into a high iq guy who could stay on the floor.
Reaves offensive instincts are more polished imo. |
Agreed, with one addition: Caruso is a difference-maker defensively, Reeves is solid but isn't at Caruso's defensive level yet |
Yep. Caruso was able to stay on the court because of his elite defense.
Reaves is so polished on offense. It’s impressive at his age. Quick decisions and great playmaking. That pump fake pass to Baze and hit I believe AD for a dunk was sick. |
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blackmamba08
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| LakerSD wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Reaves is a more polished offensive player.
Caruso developed into a high iq guy who could stay on the floor.
Reaves offensive instincts are more polished imo. |
Agreed, with one addition: Caruso is a difference-maker defensively, Reeves is solid but isn't at Caruso's defensive level yet |
Yep. Caruso was able to stay on the court because of his elite defense.
Reaves is so polished offense. It’s impressive at his age. Quick decisions and great playmaking. That pump fake pass to Baze and hit I believe AD for a dunk was sick. |
And what about the pass to RW for a layup. I was impressed  . |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Corner 3.
Fighting and forcing a Jump ball on Mobley.
Faking the 3 and driving, then passing the ball, causing the opposing D to be lost.
Man D.
This kid is just like having Caruso, only with better IQ/offense skills, and less athleticism.
Bradley and he have won me over big time. |
We could have had both Reaves and AC but cheapness ruled the day.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Corner 3.
Fighting and forcing a Jump ball on Mobley.
Faking the 3 and driving, then passing the ball, causing the opposing D to be lost.
Man D.
This kid is just like having Caruso, only with better IQ/offense skills, and less athleticism.
Bradley and he have won me over big time. |
We could have had both Reaves and AC but cheapness ruled the day. |
This. And what is the length of Reaves' contract? |
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| SPO200 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Corner 3.
Fighting and forcing a Jump ball on Mobley.
Faking the 3 and driving, then passing the ball, causing the opposing D to be lost.
Man D.
This kid is just like having Caruso, only with better IQ/offense skills, and less athleticism.
Bradley and he have won me over big time. |
We could have had both Reaves and AC but cheapness ruled the day. |
This. And what is the length of Reaves' contract? |
2 years. |
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| blackmamba08 wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Reaves is a more polished offensive player.
Caruso developed into a high iq guy who could stay on the floor.
Reaves offensive instincts are more polished imo. |
Agreed, with one addition: Caruso is a difference-maker defensively, Reeves is solid but isn't at Caruso's defensive level yet |
Yep. Caruso was able to stay on the court because of his elite defense.
Reaves is so polished offense. It’s impressive at his age. Quick decisions and great playmaking. That pump fake pass to Baze and hit I believe AD for a dunk was sick. |
And what about the pass to RW for a layup. I was impressed . |
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You talking about the fake pass to Melo at the 3 point, then swinging it down low to Russ? |
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| blackmamba08 wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Reaves is a more polished offensive player.
Caruso developed into a high iq guy who could stay on the floor.
Reaves offensive instincts are more polished imo. |
Agreed, with one addition: Caruso is a difference-maker defensively, Reeves is solid but isn't at Caruso's defensive level yet |
Yep. Caruso was able to stay on the court because of his elite defense.
Reaves is so polished offense. It’s impressive at his age. Quick decisions and great playmaking. That pump fake pass to Baze and hit I believe AD for a dunk was sick. |
And what about the pass to RW for a layup. I was impressed . |
And he's learning from 3 of the best passers/playmakers in the history of the league - Bron, Rondo, Russ
Sky's the limit |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | blackmamba08 wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Reaves is a more polished offensive player.
Caruso developed into a high iq guy who could stay on the floor.
Reaves offensive instincts are more polished imo. |
Agreed, with one addition: Caruso is a difference-maker defensively, Reeves is solid but isn't at Caruso's defensive level yet |
Yep. Caruso was able to stay on the court because of his elite defense.
Reaves is so polished offense. It’s impressive at his age. Quick decisions and great playmaking. That pump fake pass to Baze and hit I believe AD for a dunk was sick. |
And what about the pass to RW for a layup. I was impressed . |
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You talking about the fake pass to Melo at the 3 point, then swinging it down low to Russ? |
Yes exactly, such a smart nasty move. This you cannot do without some good feel for basketball. I was like wtf he is rookie??  |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Corner 3.
Fighting and forcing a Jump ball on Mobley.
Faking the 3 and driving, then passing the ball, causing the opposing D to be lost.
Man D.
This kid is just like having Caruso, only with better IQ/offense skills, and less athleticism.
Bradley and he have won me over big time. |
We could have had both Reaves and AC but cheapness ruled the day. |
Reaves likely would still be on a 2-way if Caruso was here.
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | EchoZulu wrote: | | Austin Reeves is the most likable Laker.......period. |
Yea he is pretty ridiculous, rookie who is ready to contribute since day 1, and can legitimately play with our best guys. I mean, him being a starter on our squad isn't a ludicrous notion at all (even tho it won't happen) |
Who gets pushed out of the rotation? What does Vogel do here?
THT/Nunn/Bazemore/Monk/Ellington/Ariza/Reaves/Bradley/Rondo |
Vogel might push Austin out of the rotation to be honest. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Corner 3.
Fighting and forcing a Jump ball on Mobley.
Faking the 3 and driving, then passing the ball, causing the opposing D to be lost.
Man D.
This kid is just like having Caruso, only with better IQ/offense skills, and less athleticism.
Bradley and he have won me over big time. |
We could have had both Reaves and AC but cheapness ruled the day. |
Reaves likely would still be on a 2-way if Caruso was here. |
I don't know about that. The reason why they signed him because of what they seen of him in practice and Rondo. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | EchoZulu wrote: | | Austin Reeves is the most likable Laker.......period. |
Yea he is pretty ridiculous, rookie who is ready to contribute since day 1, and can legitimately play with our best guys. I mean, him being a starter on our squad isn't a ludicrous notion at all (even tho it won't happen) |
Who gets pushed out of the rotation? What does Vogel do here?
THT/Nunn/Bazemore/Monk/Ellington/Ariza/Reaves/Bradley/Rondo |
Vogel might push Austin out of the rotation to be honest. |
I see it that Rondo gets pushed out and I think he wouldn’t mind mentoring Austin |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Corner 3.
Fighting and forcing a Jump ball on Mobley.
Faking the 3 and driving, then passing the ball, causing the opposing D to be lost.
Man D.
This kid is just like having Caruso, only with better IQ/offense skills, and less athleticism.
Bradley and he have won me over big time. |
We could have had both Reaves and AC but cheapness ruled the day. |
Reaves likely would still be on a 2-way if Caruso was here. |
Tend to agree. Even if he was converted to a regular contract AC would have taken the majority or all of AR's minutes he has received.so far.
Also would they have claimed AB? I give AC a slight edge defensively but when you include offense then it all evens out imo. i won't touch the money part.
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