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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 6:40 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | IMO you are not going to have playoff success with small guards who don’t play defense. Right now the successful teams have multiple big wing players and that’s a big concern for the Lakers. |
Jordan Poole is having great success with warriors. Monk is fine if we pair him with a defensive guard
I would love to bring him back but we need tall defensive wings |
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Is monk in KCP level? Prob looking at that MLE $ |
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Dennis100mtrash wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | IMO you are not going to have playoff success with small guards who don’t play defense. Right now the successful teams have multiple big wing players and that’s a big concern for the Lakers. |
Jordan Poole is having great success with warriors. Monk is fine if we pair him with a defensive guard
I would love to bring him back but we need tall defensive wings |
Well where are you getting a high level defensive guard for the min? Another Avery again? 🤷 _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Bron2AD Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 6:42 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | IMO you are not going to have playoff success with small guards who don’t play defense. Right now the successful teams have multiple big wing players and that’s a big concern for the Lakers. |
Jordan Poole is having great success with warriors. Monk is fine if we pair him with a defensive guard
I would love to bring him back but we need tall defensive wings |
Well where are you getting a high level defensive guard for the min? Another Avery again? 🤷 |
For the mle we have |
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Dennis100mtrash wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | IMO you are not going to have playoff success with small guards who don’t play defense. Right now the successful teams have multiple big wing players and that’s a big concern for the Lakers. |
Jordan Poole is having great success with warriors. Monk is fine if we pair him with a defensive guard
I would love to bring him back but we need tall defensive wings |
Well where are you getting a high level defensive guard for the min? Another Avery again? 🤷 |
For the mle we have |
Not if we spend it on Monk. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Dennis100mtrash wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | IMO you are not going to have playoff success with small guards who don’t play defense. Right now the successful teams have multiple big wing players and that’s a big concern for the Lakers. |
Jordan Poole is having great success with warriors. Monk is fine if we pair him with a defensive guard
I would love to bring him back but we need tall defensive wings |
If only there had been a defensive guard to pair Monk with. Like Caruso… _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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LakerDYnasty72 Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Dennis100mtrash wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | IMO you are not going to have playoff success with small guards who don’t play defense. Right now the successful teams have multiple big wing players and that’s a big concern for the Lakers. |
Jordan Poole is having great success with warriors. Monk is fine if we pair him with a defensive guard
I would love to bring him back but we need tall defensive wings |
Yep, just like the other LA team. |
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 11:05 am Post subject: |
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LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | IMO you are not going to have playoff success with small guards who don’t play defense. Right now the successful teams have multiple big wing players and that’s a big concern for the Lakers. |
Jordan Poole is having great success with warriors. Monk is fine if we pair him with a defensive guard
I would love to bring him back but we need tall defensive wings |
Yep, just like the other LA team. |
That is why I made the list of successful teams with short guards.
You'd think on paper that the Clippers would win titles... but so far they haven't.
And even still they've had Beverley, Lou Williams and Reggie crucial to their recent success even if they haven't gone all the way.
The last team to win a title without a short guard is the Bulls team with Ron Harper, where they had Pippen, Kukoc, Longley, Harper, Jordan.
The equation is not as simple as just get all long wings and you will win... the mistake that we made was too many short guards... but if Monk is the one short guard... it's not a big deal.
ETA: Also, if I remember, the guy that got burned wasn't Stockton but Bryon Russell. |
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george w kush Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 11:33 am Post subject: |
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I like Monk a lot, but would rather have KCP back. Not as great at creating his own shot like Monk, but a much better defender. |
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Signing Monk would be an intermediate step. The problem is we are in Lebron's twilight and don't have time to set up the move that sets up the move. But in reality, that's where we are. Trying to skip a step won't work.
You can't reverse two years of tearing down the roster in one asset-deficient offseason. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | IMO you are not going to have playoff success with small guards who don’t play defense. Right now the successful teams have multiple big wing players and that’s a big concern for the Lakers. |
Jordan Poole is having great success with warriors. Monk is fine if we pair him with a defensive guard
I would love to bring him back but we need tall defensive wings |
If only there had been a defensive guard to pair Monk with. Like Caruso… |
I almost wrote that exact same name.. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Malik Monk is open to accepting less money to return to the Lakers, in an exclusive interview.
"They might not be able to pay me as much as I want, but I could be here and be way more comfortable as a Laker."
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https://twitter.com/theathleticnba/status/1541427776531701762 _________________
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Bout to get Kyried ala Buddy |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I like Monk, but unlike the Warriors who could hide Jordan Poole's atrocious defense, I feel Monk would be relentlessly hunted in the playoffs. Wish there was a way to keep him without using the MMLE. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lakurluv Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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This is the most realistic FA we should be working toward... |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Would much rather give the tMLE to Gary Harris or more unlikely Oladipo. Monk is nice as a bench piece but you cannot play him come playoff time. Hard to justify spending our best means to improve on that when you have Nunn and Reaves + THT off the bench at the guard spots. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I like Monk, but unlike the Warriors who could hide Jordan Poole's atrocious defense, I feel Monk would be relentlessly hunted in the playoffs. Wish there was a way to keep him without using the MMLE. |
I’m with you. Monk is a luxury when you already have four 6-5 and under guards already under contract. Too bad this free agent class is devoid of decent wings. I think Porter reups with the Warriors. Taurean Prince probably stays in Minny. So that basically leaves dudes like Jeremy Lamb, Danuel House and Gary Harris (who is 6-4 also). I’m not sure how they get out of this mess short of the trade packages that have been discussed ad nauseum. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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LakersMD wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I like Monk, but unlike the Warriors who could hide Jordan Poole's atrocious defense, I feel Monk would be relentlessly hunted in the playoffs. Wish there was a way to keep him without using the MMLE. |
I’m with you. Monk is a luxury when you already have four 6-5 and under guards already under contract. Too bad this free agent class is devoid of decent wings. I think Porter reups with the Warriors. Taurean Prince probably stays in Minny. So that basically leaves dudes like Jeremy Lamb, Danuel House and Gary Harris (who is 6-4 also). I’m not sure how they get out of this mess short of the trade packages that have been discussed ad nauseum. |
I think warriors will spend their MLE on GPII. I think Porter can be promised a starting spot on the Lakers. He will be in demand. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I like Monk, but unlike the Warriors who could hide Jordan Poole's atrocious defense, I feel Monk would be relentlessly hunted in the playoffs. Wish there was a way to keep him without using the MMLE. |
I’d be happy with playoffs at this point. 😜 _________________ “You have to dance beautifully in the box that you are comfortable dancing in.” - Kobe Bryant |
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Just bear in mind, if you bring him back, he will likely want to be kept on the team going forward b/c the Lakers have early bird rights on him in 2023. That would be part of the discussion IMO and then you're stealing from 2023 "cap space" for Monk? Have to think this one through with a few moves ahead in mind. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:53 am Post subject: |
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On top of that, a one year deal, or 1+1 with a player option gives Monk trade veto where if he agrees to a deal, he loses his bird rights. We might not have any better options though. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Please stop with the Jordan Poole comps
We are not the Warriors
Poole is way better than Monk |
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anth2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:01 am Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | Please stop with the Jordan Poole comps
We are not the Warriors
Poole is way better than Monk |
Exactly, who in the hell is comparing Monk to Poole? Lol....try, not even close.
Poole is a much much better player than Monk. No question.
I hope the Lakers can keep him but not holding my breath. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:07 am Post subject: |
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All I can say is that if we're using the MMLE on Monk, we need to be signing exclusively defensive wings and bigs with our minimum slots. I literally don't care if they can't shoot. We need size and length in the worst way imaginable. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Bringing back pretty much the same core, and paying Russ (4m more) and Monk (4m-ish more) more money...how does that improve this team?
We desperately need:
athletic big wing 3/D players
stretch bigs
more defensive minded players who aren't absolute trainwrecks on offense.
I like Monk. But he may be a luxury that we can't afford. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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