We would be the favorite to win this year had we traded for Buddy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:31 am    Post subject:

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The only reason Buddy was a better deal than Russ was that KCP stayed in LA and AC was likely back. (Who knows on the pick)

But even with Westbrook, we could've still been a much better team starting keeping Caruso. AC said he'd have taken a 2/$20M deal. There's our starting 2 guard. mMLE goes to a bigger wing (Porter Jr?) instead of Nunn. Alone that's a more balanced and potent team. But they wanted to build a big 3 and then just stop spending altogether.

The right move was moving Trez for a bigger wing, bringing back most of last year's team including Dennis and moving forward:

AD, Dwight
Kuz, Melo, Ariza
LeBron, Porter Jr, Reaves
KCP, Caruso, Bradley
Monk, Dennis, Rondo


RW is a slasher ala THT & LJ's. KCP added 3pt shooting and defense. Our FO, like many others, fell in love with a name, not a fit.

Same said for Buddy; he's has the same output as KCP without KCP's D, yet
we wanted to trade for his name. Buddy was NOT a better fit than KCP and his price tag, ouch.

The FO made off season mistakes they can "try" to defend as they wish, and I know hind sight is 20-20, but they became infatuated with a name,
comparable to what happens to us fans. And here we are...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:57 am    Post subject:

Trade deadline is February 10
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:24 pm    Post subject:

Hield won't fix the bad rotations, bad defense and poor chemistry. He's a spot up shooter, not a Chris Paul. At best, he's a stopgap for the team's offensive woes.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:28 pm    Post subject:

Kings have players. How is he doing up there in regard to helping with W's?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:46 pm    Post subject:

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Hield is more one dimensional. He's a shooter and if his shot isn't falling he's pretty much useless. So many players that shot well on other teams have come to the Lakers and something about the bright lights and the big city and the pressure has resulted in a decline in their shooting abilities. I don't think Hield wins a championship.
Anybody remember Glen Rice when they are wondering how well Buddy Hield would have done playing behind LBJ and AD

If Lakers don’t get Westbrook, who would be the PG or the PG coming off the bench - THT (Caruso, if he was signed?). Rondo wasn’t the answer

Would DeMar Derozen have been the best acquisition?
https://lakeshowlife.com/2022/01/29/los-angeles-lakers-rumors-demar-derozan-trade/
How effective would he be the third option, as oppose to being the first option with the Bulls.
Would he be happy being the PG for the 2nd unit

Rob swung for the fences with LBJ/AD providing their input/influence/impact

Would Kuz be the answer here???

Glad that Caruso, Kuz, DLo, BI, Randle, Clarkson and Z are flourishing on their respective teams that are far away from the glamour, scrutiny and high expectations of being a Laker

Personally, Stanley Johnson and Austin Reeves are younger and hungrier versions of Kuz and Caruso

Thoroughly enjoy their energy and impact on games with their as and basketball IQ.

Our closing lineups will often include one or both on the floor at the end of games
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:33 pm    Post subject:

We are fighting to make play in. We aren’t good.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:49 am    Post subject:

At the end of the day it's going to come down to the same thing as it did the year we won, if LeBron and AD are playing top level we are very likely to win...if they are not then we aren't ....in year one they didn't have some uber roster, but they had an uber lebron and AD (and really AD), last year we were winning with a banged up Lebron and AD, but one of them went down.....even with this roster if AD and Bron are healthy we have a very good shot...because at their peak they are so much better than everyone else except maybe a couple of other players
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:41 am    Post subject:

Pacers are 3-6 with Buddy. Despite the 20-5-5. Our savior hasn't made them a contender.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:02 am    Post subject:

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Pacers are 3-6 with Buddy. Despite the 20-5-5. Our savior hasn't made them a contender.



Personally, I would have kept KCP over Buddy. At least KCP has some D
to his game and tradable. The Buddy thing is more hype than bite.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:01 am    Post subject:

Not so sure about that. Still missing a ton of defense and doesn’t change the fact that the roster still has too many cooked players.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:24 pm    Post subject:

[quote="deal"]
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Same said for Buddy; he's has the same output as KCP without KCP's D, yet
we wanted to trade for his name. Buddy was NOT a better fit than KCP and his price tag, ouch.



Hield is an infintely better shooter than KCP could ever dream of being. Hield is a 40% three-point shooter (on 8 attempts a game) while KCP is a 36% 3-pt shooter on 4.7 shots a game. Hield is one of the best three-point shooters in the league. Hield is not the defender that KCP was but the output would be vastly different between the two of them.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:42 pm    Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:
Pacers are 3-6 with Buddy. Despite the 20-5-5. Our savior hasn't made them a contender.


The other reason Buddy is favored because we'd have given up less to get him. Which matters too.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:22 pm    Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:
Pacers are 3-6 with Buddy. Despite the 20-5-5. Our savior hasn't made them a contender.


Pacers aren't exactly trying to win are they?

Again the difference between getting Hield and getting Russ other than Hield being a better fit is the flexibility the Hield route would have provided us.

Hield is easily tradable. Nobody wants Russ. We would've kept a legit 3&D guy in KCP and possibly AC. KCP would've been another tradable piece if the need ever arose.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:42 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:39 pm    Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:
Pacers are 3-6 with Buddy. Despite the 20-5-5. Our savior hasn't made them a contender.


People acting like the 54th highest paid player in the NBA should be making a major difference on a terrible team.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:06 pm    Post subject:

Buddy would have definitely given the Lakers a more formidable threat from beyond the arc, however the addition of DeRozan in Free Agency was truly the moved that hurt this team the most. The FO Committed to the wrong player from LA.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:16 pm    Post subject:

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deal wrote:
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Same said for Buddy; he's has the same output as KCP without KCP's D, yet
we wanted to trade for his name. Buddy was NOT a better fit than KCP and his price tag, ouch.



Hield is an infintely better shooter than KCP could ever dream of being. Hield is a 40% three-point shooter (on 8 attempts a game) while KCP is a 36% 3-pt shooter on 4.7 shots a game. Hield is one of the best three-point shooters in the league. Hield is not the defender that KCP was but the output would be vastly different between the two of them.



Depends when you look at stats; today Buddy is about a 35% and KCP at 39.5%. Advantage KCP add on that he can actually defend and he's the better
player.

Buddy does have the better name. .
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:35 pm    Post subject:

Not quite, but I do think the Lakers would be significantly better just by virtue of the Lakers giving up less rotational players for him. Trez and Kuz were the guys involved in the potential Hield trade, IIRC.

I think Caruso would have been re-signed because the Lakers wouldn't have taken on nearly as much salary by trading for Hield instead of Westbrook.

Outside chance of retaining Schroder? The 2 sides seemed to be ready to leave each other after last season, but I wonder if he comes back if the Lakers are still there with SOME money available to him after he exhausted all of his options and only had the MLE waiting for him from other teams?

I would still take Buddy Hield over Westbrook despite Hield's struggles. Westbrook is just a net negative player at this point. Hield's stats look decent in his 9 games with Indiana.

Just being in the championship conversation at all would be a big step up from where the Lakers are right now. The Lakers with LeBron and no AD last season were still decent, IIRC. The Lakers fell off because LeBron missed a lot of time. The Lakers right now are still a bad team with everybody healthy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:06 am    Post subject:

Just a reminder of what could have been
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:39 am    Post subject:

as windhorst said. Our 3rd guy played well down the stretch and we still lost.

Bron being broken down and AD being in street clothes keeps us where we are now, and pretty much where we were last year.

We are acting like this year is some anomaly. Yes we made play-in last year and beat injured teams to get in but is basically the same.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:54 am    Post subject:

We were terrible because of injuries and poor roster construction. Buddy would not have changed our outcome much if at all.

Even with AD and Lebron being beatup and barely available towards the end, the Lakers still scored about 113 points on average over the last seven games. We still lost each and every one of them because the defense was terrible.

Why some believed Buddy was the answer I will never know, but we needed a lot more players of size and athleticism to stop the opponents from scoring more than we needed more scoring ourselves.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:07 pm    Post subject:

BUDDY !!!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:23 pm    Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:
BUDDY !!!


I know that you are bring this post alive by pointing out I made a bad judgement.

Though I made this post mainly because how pissed I was that we traded for Westbrick, and we couldnt even get rid of him as a negative asset.

Everything I said in the original post was pretty much spot on.

And had we traded for Buddy Hield, we wouldn't have given up so much asset.
And Buddy Hield could have been traded for other assets as well, since he has value, he is a rich man version of Beasley, and he would have looked like a all star next to Lebron. (Lebron can make role player into like bonafide all star)

Only thing I didnt factor in was Buddy poor defense at the time.

But still it would have been like way way better situation, and I doubt we would have to fire Vogel and get Meathead now.
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