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(EU unveils $220-billion plan to sidestep Russian gas)

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The European Union Commission announced a €210 billion plan ($221 billion) to boost the bloc’s target for renewable energy from 40% to 45% by 2030, as part of efforts to move away from Russian hydrocarbons. CNN’s Anna Stewart reports.
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(U.S. Believes Russia Has Sent Thousands To 'Filtration Camps' In Ukraine, Says Ambassador)

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U.S. Ambassador to the OSCE, Michael Carpenter, discusses how a global food crisis has been made worse by Russia's war in Ukraine as well as why the U.S. believes Russian forces have relocated at least several thousand Ukrainians for processing in so-called "filtration camps." where they are beaten and tortured.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:32 am    Post subject:

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Kremlin infighting and the war in Ukraine will determine if Putin cancels Russia’s elections in September, sources tell Meduza

10:30 am, May 17, 2022

On May 17, lawmakers in the State Duma discussed the possibility of cancelling both gubernatorial and regional and municipal elections scheduled for September 11, 2022. The stated reason is the need to support the president unanimously during Russia’s “special military operation” in Ukraine. Meduza special correspondent Andrey Pertsev learned that Vladimir Putin has yet to reach a final decision about postponing the elections, but the Federal Security Service and National Security Council are lobbying hard to convince him that it’s crucial.

Under the circumstances of the special military operation, do we need to hold elections on [September 11]? We should all be unified now, but what will happen in elections? We’ll have to fight against each other. All of us here in this chamber support the president and the special military operation, but we’ll need to talk about our differences in elections,” Just Russia party chairman Sergey Mironov said in a speech to the State Duma on May 17.

After these remarks, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov assured journalists that the president hasn’t made any decision to cancel elections this fall, but four sources with knowledge of the Putin administration’s domestic policy planning told Meduza that Mironov’s comments were no accident; they represent an ongoing debate within the government about how to handle Russia’s electorate during the war.

Unless the authorities make changes, Russia is due to hold elections in various regions for gubernatorial positions and seats in regional and municipal councils (including in Moscow) on September 11, 2022. As Meduza reported in early March, however, Kremlin officials began discussing a postponement to these elections in the wake of Russia’s February invasion of Ukraine, worrying that international sanctions and rapidly falling living standards would energize protest sentiment across the country.


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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2022 12:56 pm    Post subject:

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('He's ours': Ukraine secret police catch a suspected spy)

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CNN's Sam Kiley follows Ukraine's secret police as they apprehend a suspected spy who allegedly provided Russian forces details about the Ukrainian military.


The spy confessed. The Russians paid him about $10. TEN DOLLARS to sell out your country.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2022 1:32 pm    Post subject:

Russia claims it's using new laser weapons against Ukraine

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-laser-weapons-ukraine-145937739.html

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Russia is supposedly using its invasion of Ukraine to try new technology on the battlefield. As Reuters reports, the Russian government says it's using a new wave of laser weapons to counter the Western technology aiding Ukraine's self-defense. Deputy prime minister Yury Borisov claimed Russia was using prototypes for a drone-destroying laser weapon, Zadira, that can burn up drones. One test incinerated a drone 3.1 miles away within five seconds, according to the official.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2022 1:38 pm    Post subject:

Russia says many things which are false. Maybe these lasers are more lies.

Eff Putin!

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2022 2:15 pm    Post subject:

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Russia says many things which are false. Maybe these lasers are more lies.

Eff Putin!



These (bleep) turds launched a military satellite recently that will be burning up soon because it failed to activate
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2022 2:40 pm    Post subject:

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Russia claims it's using new laser weapons against Ukraine

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-laser-weapons-ukraine-145937739.html

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Russia is supposedly using its invasion of Ukraine to try new technology on the battlefield. As Reuters reports, the Russian government says it's using a new wave of laser weapons to counter the Western technology aiding Ukraine's self-defense. Deputy prime minister Yury Borisov claimed Russia was using prototypes for a drone-destroying laser weapon, Zadira, that can burn up drones. One test incinerated a drone 3.1 miles away within five seconds, according to the official.


The (make air quotes) laser burned up the drone right after it flew out of radio range and crashed.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2022 2:42 pm    Post subject:

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(Russian soldier pleads ‘fully’ guilty in Kyiv court)

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A Kyiv district court heard charges against a captured Russian soldier, as the country’s first war crime trial of symbolic importance gathers pace. The Russian soldier stands accused of murder and “violating the laws and customs of war” under Article 438 of Ukraine's Criminal Code. 21-year-old Vadim Shishimarin pleaded “fully” guilty and is facing a life sentence. CNN’s Melissa Bell reports.
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('A homegrown defense': How Ukrainian volunteers beat back Russian progression)

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CNN's Nick Paton Walsh shadows a group of volunteers leading the defense against Russian troops in the small Ukrainian village of Ruska Lozova.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:05 am    Post subject:

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Russia claims it's using new laser weapons against Ukraine

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-laser-weapons-ukraine-145937739.html

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Russia is supposedly using its invasion of Ukraine to try new technology on the battlefield. As Reuters reports, the Russian government says it's using a new wave of laser weapons to counter the Western technology aiding Ukraine's self-defense. Deputy prime minister Yury Borisov claimed Russia was using prototypes for a drone-destroying laser weapon, Zadira, that can burn up drones. One test incinerated a drone 3.1 miles away within five seconds, according to the official.


The (make air quotes) laser burned up the drone right after it flew out of radio range and crashed.


The drone was living in a van down by the river.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 6:12 am    Post subject:

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('He's ours': Ukraine secret police catch a suspected spy)

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CNN's Sam Kiley follows Ukraine's secret police as they apprehend a suspected spy who allegedly provided Russian forces details about the Ukrainian military.


The spy confessed. The Russians paid him about $10. TEN DOLLARS to sell out your country.


I watched that report. when it aired . . . he copped to it right away too . . . and now faces life in prison (as he should).
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 6:27 am    Post subject:

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(See former Russian colonel's big change after criticizing Putin's war on state TV)

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Mikhail Khodarenok, a former Russian colonel, criticized Putin's invasion of Ukraine on state TV but backtracked and had a remarkably different tone later. CNN's Matthew Chance reports.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 6:36 am    Post subject:

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(See Russian merchant ship's journey across Mediterranean with stolen grain)

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A food crisis looms in Ukraine as Russia continues to block Ukrainian grain exports, skyrocketing the price of grain to $400 per ton on the world market. President Volodymyr Zelensky calls this 'food terrorism.' CNN's Isa Soares reports.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 7:15 am    Post subject:

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The West has done a good job not reacting to Putin's bluster and threats.

I think he is terminally ill personally, the guy is acting bizarrely and seems to be holding his arm to his side like maybe he had a mini stroke or something.

Well, not really. Ukraine got a lot of weapons and now Finland is stupid enough to want to be part of Nato. Sweden unfortunately as well.


Biden says Finland and Sweden have 'full, total, complete backing' of US as they seek to join NATO

President Joe Biden on Thursday welcomed the leaders of Finland and Sweden to the White House and said both countries have the "full, total, complete backing" of the US after the two nations submitted their formal applications to become NATO members.

"Today, I am proud to welcome and offer the strong support of the United States for the applications of two great democracies and two close, highly capable partners to join the strongest, most powerful defensive alliance in the history of the world," Biden said while standing alongside Finnish President Sauli Niinistö and Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson.
The US President said, "The bottom line is simple, quite straightforward: Finland and Sweden make NATO stronger. Not just because of their capacity but because of their strong, strong democracies."

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:14 am    Post subject:

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(Ex-CIA official says Russian spy invaded US intelligence and aided Putin's rise to power)

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Former CIA operative and CNN security analyst Robert Baer discusses in his new book "Fourth man" that a Russian spy working for the CIA helped in providing information to Putin and aided his rise to power 15 years ago. The FBI is still working to identify the mole. CNN's New Day has more.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:20 am    Post subject:

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Blinken says Putin's invasion has backfired)

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US Secretary of State Antony Blinken appeared as a guest on “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.” To cheers and applause, Blinken said an independent, sovereign Ukraine will be around a lot longer than a Vladimir Putin.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:26 am    Post subject:

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(Fmr. Ukrainian President: 'Ukraine Will Never Give Up')

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Fmr. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko speaks with José Díaz-Balart about the latest updates from Ukraine. This is "the beginning of the end of the Putin regime," Poroshenko states.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:26 am    Post subject:

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The Senate passes the $40 billion aid package to Ukraine 86–11. President Biden, who described this assistance package as a “vital war effort,” is now expected to sign it. White House officials say this should last through the end of the fiscal year.

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1527339508089311248
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:58 am    Post subject:

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(Ukraine war correspondent Oz Katerji takes your calls with Iain Dale | LBC)

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Ukraine war correspondent Oz Katerji takes your calls with Iain Dale after returning from the frontline after three months.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 6:23 pm    Post subject:

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(Could A Ukrainian Victory Be A Bad Thing? | The Mehdi Hasan Show)

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There are growing signs that Ukraine isn’t just surviving the Russian onslaught, but it’s actually winning the war. Now, some are asking: How do you achieve a settlement that doesn’t erode Ukraine’s sovereignty that doesn’t also humiliate Putin? Former U.S. ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder and Quincy Institute senior research fellow Anatol Lieven join Mehdi to discuss.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 6:27 pm    Post subject:

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(Could A Ukrainian Victory Be A Bad Thing? | The Mehdi Hasan Show)

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There are growing signs that Ukraine isn’t just surviving the Russian onslaught, but it’s actually winning the war. Now, some are asking: How do you achieve a settlement that doesn’t erode Ukraine’s sovereignty that doesn’t also humiliate Putin? Former U.S. ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder and Quincy Institute senior research fellow Anatol Lieven join Mehdi to discuss.


Quite frankly, I don't think the world should care about "not humiliating" Putin. Ukraine should settle for nothing less than all of their territory back, including Crimea.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2022 7:51 am    Post subject:

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(David Petraeus: What Putin Has Really Done Is Make NATO Great Again)

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Former CIA Director General David Petraeus discusses new remarks from Ukraine's foreign minister on NATO, President Biden's visit to Asia, why he says Vladimir Putin has made NATO great again and his praise for Ukrainian forces.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2022 8:21 am    Post subject:

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‘We weren’t afraid of them — but they were very afraid of us’

Meduza reports from Kharkiv, where Ukrainians are cleaning up the mess left by the city's failed invaders

8:39 am, May 20, 2022

On May 15, Western military experts declared that Ukraine had won the “battle for Kharkiv.” Analysts pointed to the retreat of Russian detachments around Kharkiv in the face of Ukrainian counterattacks. Russian troops had been fighting to take control of the city, which lies about 25 kilometers (15 miles) from the Russian border, since the beginning of the war. Residential areas on the city’s outskirts were torn apart, and on March 2, a missile strike hit the city’s central square. Thousands of civilians took cover in basements and in the city’s metro station. Now, Kharkivites are sorting through the rubble, repairing the public transport system, restoring the electricity and gas supply, and preparing their beauty salons and cafes to open up again. Larisa Kalik went to Kharkiv to talk to the residents bringing the city back to life.

As it approaches the Poltava region, the train from Kyiv to Kharkiv stops in the middle of a forest — the region is on air raid alert, and the train can’t enter until the alert lifted.

The train car is half empty — a soldier with a “For Ukraine” patch on his shoulder is asleep in his seat. Next to him, a woman is talking to her family on the phone, warning them about the train’s delay and smiling as she tells them not to hurry to meet her.

It’s only been a few days since the Russian army left Kharkiv definitively. On May 13, American analysts announced that the Russian army was retreating from the region. By May 16, Kharkiv Regional Governor Oleh Synehubov reported that 600 thousand people had returned to the city.

The train station is crowded. The sound of an air raid siren — the sixth one this morning — rings through the air, but nobody seems to notice. I’m met there by Viktor, a volunteer who transports food to doctors and soldiers and helps provide humanitarian support to the wounded.

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“They spent a long time checking us, but eventually they let us through. We got to the next village, where there was fighting going on, and we saw them showering our Zavhorodnie will Grad missiles,” says Alexander. The next morning, he and some other men formed a caravan of ten cars and went back to Zavhorodnie to get the others. “I went first,” Alexander recalled. “At the entrance to Zavhorodnie, this terrified gunner ran out to us. We weren’t afraid of them, but they were very afraid of us.”

After a document check, the convoy was allowed into the village. Soon, though, some Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) officers stopped the vehicles on a side street, forced everyone to get out, and had them place their faces on the ground. “They’d decided we must be spotters [for the Ukrainian military],” says Alexander.

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‘I started my life with a war and I’ll finish it with one, too’

People are returning to the remnants of their homes. The clinking of broken glass comes from the upper floors of an apartment building as some cleans up; the plastic film covering the windows rustles in the wind. In Kharkiv and the suburbs that surround it, city officials are gradually turning the gas and electricity back on as utility workers repair the pipes. But there’s still a lot of work to be done, and every district has to wait its turn.

70-year-old Vadim is standing with a group of friends in the middle of Velyka Kiltseva Street, complaining loudly.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:44 am    Post subject:

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(David Petraeus: Ukraine Has Won By Keeping Russia From Achieving Its Main Objective)

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Gen. David Petraeus discusses the role of NATO in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the failings of the Russian military and if the U.S. made a mistake in not accepting Ukraine into NATO earlier.
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