** Los Angeles Lakers vs Golden State Warriors (02/12/22 @ 5:30 pm PT) Gm#57 ***
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:55 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
I predict that Lebron’s knee bothers him tomorrow and he sits this one out.


C’mon, Bron not the type to duck foos, especially not on National TV right before all star
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:01 pm    Post subject:

People always expect the Warriors to blow out the Lakers but it never works out that way.
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People always expect the Warriors to blow out the Lakers but it never works out that way.


We owned the dubs, even when the kids were here
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:50 pm    Post subject:

Game is up north.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:52 pm    Post subject:

Unfortunately Bradley is gonna start this one even though he should be riding the bench
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 6:54 am    Post subject:

Could be Frank's last game as head coach if we're blown out. Sigh.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:28 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Treble Clef wrote:
People always expect the Warriors to blow out the Lakers but it never works out that way.


We owned the dubs, even when the kids were here


Lakers for the win!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:28 am    Post subject:

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Could be Frank's last game as head coach if we're blown out. Sigh.


Yeah. My thinking's evolved on this a little. He's a lame-duck coach anyways, no way will he be offered a new contract at season's end, so he's as good as gone. Therefore the team may as well make a move right now rather than season's end. (Less comfortable for the FO, tough pill to swallow for ownership as well).

Look at it this way, there's a decent chance that the team has a "dead-cat bounce" and heads into the off-season with a bit of momentum because Westbrook may feel rejuvenated; he may actually give effort on defense for a different coach.

(This is not to say that I dislike Vogel, he has his warts but I'm the kind that believes that excellence is rare and constructing a league-leading defense is excellence. It's unwise to give up on excellence, I'd much rather try to shore up the weaknesses).
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wolfpaclaker wrote:
Could be Frank's last game as head coach if we're blown out. Sigh.


Yeah. My thinking's evolved on this a little. He's a lame-duck coach anyways, no way will he be offered a new contract at season's end, so he's as good as gone. Therefore the team may as well make a move right now rather than season's end. (Less comfortable for the FO, tough pill to swallow for ownership as well).

Look at it this way, there's a decent chance that the team has a "dead-cat bounce" and heads into the off-season with a bit of momentum because Westbrook may feel rejuvenated; he may actually give effort on defense for a different coach.

(This is not to say that I dislike Vogel, he has his warts but I'm the kind that believes that excellence is rare and constructing a league-leading defense is excellence. It's unwise to give up on excellence, I'd much rather try to shore up the weaknesses).
especially with all star break to settle in fizdale.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:07 am    Post subject:

There is absolutely no point firing Vogel right now, wait until the season is over, there is approximately 2 months left until we are done with this train wreck then we can start cleaning the house and revamping the roster
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:36 am    Post subject:

Points in firing Vogel?
- tackling problems earlier rather than later is always better
- ownership gains clarity as to where *ALL* the problems lie (personnel? scheme? both?) and where the solutions are? (coach? coaching staff? management? Klutch? advisory-board?)
- good chance Westbrook plays *meaningfully* better viz. defense/coverages/attention not just offense
- maybe the overall team plays better than sub .500
- a decent chance that team morale improves, there's a risk that festering problems will create toxicity
- the team devises a better offensive scheme than the current 24th in the league despite having LBJ+AD+Monk+Melo

What are the down-sides other than the ones I've already noted?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:27 am    Post subject:

Why fire Frank now, he's playing the hand he was dealt? I don't think he's a great HC and should be demoted but not in the middle of the season.

IMO if anyone should be fired it should be Rob Pelinka. Also, Kurt and Linda Rambis if they actually hold paying positions.

Our FO is a joke.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:56 am    Post subject:

Season starts today!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:15 am    Post subject:

Imagine having to see Fizdale coaching the team for 2 months
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:00 am    Post subject:

If I have it right Vogel is currently under contract with the Lakers until 2023. I'm not versed in contracts. Does that mean untill the end of 23?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:11 am    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
Imagine having to see Fizdale coaching the team for 2 months


Imagine having to see 3 or 4 different coaches in 6 years.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:16 am    Post subject:

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Imagine having to see Fizdale coaching the team for 2 months


I think judging Fizzy by his coaching earlier this season when everything was chaos with Covid and everybody was in an out including Fizdale himself is a mistake. Because that was obviously just a losing situation.

That said I don't think firing Vogel and replacing him with anybody at this point in the season is really the answer.

I think we're just kind of stuck for now and we'll see what happens by the end of the season.
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governator wrote:
Treble Clef wrote:
People always expect the Warriors to blow out the Lakers but it never works out that way.


We owned the dubs, even when the kids were here

Magic and Pelinka always kept the dubs in mind. Similar to how the Clippers build their team to beat the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:47 pm    Post subject:

7.5 pt underdogs tonight, and it was only 3.5 in that Bucks massacre.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:55 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
If I have it right Vogel is currently under contract with the Lakers until 2023. I'm not versed in contracts. Does that mean untill the end of 23?


My understanding is that next season (2022-2023) is the final year of obligation/contract for Vogel, WB and LBJ assuming no opt outs, no trade/cut/buyout/firing….
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:22 pm    Post subject:

This is the last game I give them. Either figure it out against the best team in the league or fold.

This is a must win

I will not watch another game if they lose tonight... Do or die
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:04 pm    Post subject:



Frank Vogel said that LeBron James, Russell Westbrook and Dwight Howard are all expected to play tonight.

https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/1492650496342913025?s=21
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:12 pm    Post subject:

Firing Vogel would just be so on point for the front office. Continue dismantling the championship team a piece at a time. Front office still seems like they are learning their coach and the players he needs. New systems, new coach (who?) we probably go sideways more.

They do need a vibe change for sure.
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