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Aeneas Hunter
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| Halflife wrote: | | thanks for posting. Yeah, he's pretty spot on. the liliard thing scares me. Not saying it wouldn't be better than russ but with his take on brons health and Ads decline we just become marginally better IMHO |
Lillard has three more years to go on his contract, topping out at $48M. He's an undersized guard who turns 32 next season and showed signs of decline this season. If we really made that deal (with the picks attached), and if Lillard doesn't bounce back to elite status, that could be a franchise altering error. We could literally be a dumpster fire franchise until the 2030s.
So we'll probably do it.
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laker4life
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| cthroatgtr wrote: | It really starts with Russ but isn't that simple. Russ was always a bad fit and cost a fortune to obtain. That left little to spend. All NBA owners need to be wary of super max players and contracts. Most super max deals come later in players careers so they will be wildly overpaid later in their career. If you want to go big 3 they better all be durable and fit perfectly because they will consume the cap. Lebron is old and more prone to injury but is relatively an iron man next to AD. Russ is the WORST possible star to pair with James. He cannot shoot and needs the ball to be effective, that is before you factor he is declining and has a game that will not age.
Everyone involved in bringing Russ in should be fired, traded, cut and generally humiliated. The team last year was actually pretty good. Lebron and AD both missed significant time, which is why they were towards the bottom of the playoff standings. They had depth and potential and before AD got hurt, had the Suns on the ropes. It wasn't perfect as 3pt shooting was an issue. They could have fixed that without completing gutting the team. If there was a path to add Hield and Derozan, that would have been much better as well.
This team has way too much in common with the 2012-13 Lakers. They traded for Dwight (not 100%) and then gave a way a fortune to bring in Nash. Nash was way late in his career so not exactly sure about what they gave up. I am not sure Pau & Dwight ever fit well either. But then to complicate things they brought in D'Antoni to coach, clearly infatuated with Steve Nash the superstar (who wasn't at that point). They had a big / older lineup so of course bring in the run and gun small ball guru. This years team they added Russ and tried to build a Russ type of lineup, which means a small ball lineup, with complete disregard to the coach and players they had.
Why is the Lakers FO so incredibly bad at this? Find/hire a superstar GM. I don't know if it is possible but I would throw a ton of money at Sam Presti. In the short term the only path out of this is being smart. In baseball Money Ball helped the A's overcome a lack of competitive income. It worked until the Red Sox, Yankees, etc caught up to the concept. Lakers need that mindset to overcome lack of assets in the short term. I think Presti is that guy. Jeannie's biggest fault is she only uses people close to her (Magic, Pelinka, Rambis, Phil) and none of them have proven to be good at it. Time to go outside the organization. |
You are soo right.
Some one needs to call out the FO.
Jeannie failed to bring in the right people.
Pelinka is over his head and now we are suffering.
They were giving a gift with Lebron who decided to come here.
Enjoy your last ring. You are not going to get another one for a long time because you do not know how to bring in the right people to this organization. |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| laker4life wrote: | | cthroatgtr wrote: | It really starts with Russ but isn't that simple. Russ was always a bad fit and cost a fortune to obtain. That left little to spend. All NBA owners need to be wary of super max players and contracts. Most super max deals come later in players careers so they will be wildly overpaid later in their career. If you want to go big 3 they better all be durable and fit perfectly because they will consume the cap. Lebron is old and more prone to injury but is relatively an iron man next to AD. Russ is the WORST possible star to pair with James. He cannot shoot and needs the ball to be effective, that is before you factor he is declining and has a game that will not age.
Everyone involved in bringing Russ in should be fired, traded, cut and generally humiliated. The team last year was actually pretty good. Lebron and AD both missed significant time, which is why they were towards the bottom of the playoff standings. They had depth and potential and before AD got hurt, had the Suns on the ropes. It wasn't perfect as 3pt shooting was an issue. They could have fixed that without completing gutting the team. If there was a path to add Hield and Derozan, that would have been much better as well.
This team has way too much in common with the 2012-13 Lakers. They traded for Dwight (not 100%) and then gave a way a fortune to bring in Nash. Nash was way late in his career so not exactly sure about what they gave up. I am not sure Pau & Dwight ever fit well either. But then to complicate things they brought in D'Antoni to coach, clearly infatuated with Steve Nash the superstar (who wasn't at that point). They had a big / older lineup so of course bring in the run and gun small ball guru. This years team they added Russ and tried to build a Russ type of lineup, which means a small ball lineup, with complete disregard to the coach and players they had.
Why is the Lakers FO so incredibly bad at this? Find/hire a superstar GM. I don't know if it is possible but I would throw a ton of money at Sam Presti. In the short term the only path out of this is being smart. In baseball Money Ball helped the A's overcome a lack of competitive income. It worked until the Red Sox, Yankees, etc caught up to the concept. Lakers need that mindset to overcome lack of assets in the short term. I think Presti is that guy. Jeannie's biggest fault is she only uses people close to her (Magic, Pelinka, Rambis, Phil) and none of them have proven to be good at it. Time to go outside the organization. |
You are soo right.
Some one needs to call out the FO.
Jeannie failed to bring in the right people.
Pelinka is over his head and now we are suffering.
They were giving a gift with Lebron who decided to come here.
Enjoy your last ring. You are not going to get another one for a long time because you do not know how to bring in the right people to this organization. |
You really think the FO is blind to what’s in front of them? They have way more at stake in this than fans.
The digging out will ultimately define our heads of state and it’s not a one year process. 2 years removed from ring. Let’s see where we are in 2 years. |
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Birmingham
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | 1. First and foremost, injuries to AD/LBJ. We are a top 4 seed when they are healthy. |
The Lakers' record this season is 11-11 when both play. |
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Halflife
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| Birmingham wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | 1. First and foremost, injuries to AD/LBJ. We are a top 4 seed when they are healthy. |
The Lakers' record this season is 11-11 when both play. |
500 gets us in playoffs I think. |
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SGV-Laker fan
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| mess in the front office. players and coaches don't know who's calling the shots, and those mofos leaking stuff out to media throughout the season playing mind games with players and coaches (very much like phil jackson days, umm wondering why). you clean up the front office, make it ONE voice, no more Rambii shadow owners, and phil jackson/magic playing puppet masters behind the scene. just be a regular modern day NBA front office, is that too much to ask? most likely it is for Jeannie Buss. |
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LakerSD
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https://twitter.com/pinatafarms/status/1511505947235082243?s=21&t=QR4ChuLomN-oP66mF0GzzA
Magic spilled everything to Stephen A.
I mean it was already obvious, but when Stephen A. starts criticizing Lebron the “Pseudo GM” you know someone from Laker circles has been in his ear about that and most likely it’s Magic.
So in summary, GTFO! All of them. Embarrassment to Dr. Buss, Kobe and the rest of the true Laker legends. |
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SGV-Laker fan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/pinatafarms/status/1511505947235082243?s=21&t=QR4ChuLomN-oP66mF0GzzA
Magic spilled everything to Stephen A.
I mean it was already obvious, but when Stephen A. starts criticizing Lebron the “Pseudo GM” you know someone from Laker circles has been in his ear about that and most likely it’s Magic.
So in summary, GTFO! All of them. Embarrassment to Dr. Buss, Kobe and the rest of the true Laker legends. |
Magic always has been Jeannie Buss' mouthpiece. i guess Jeannie Buss and her inner circle has made a decision to dump LeBron and Klutch, making them the scapegoat for this season. LeBron certainly had a hand in it, but this is just the way mom and pop shop works, if it comes down to family member (Jeannie Buss and her inner circle) and an outsider, the outsider always get kicked out of the door. it'll be rinse and repeat year after year, it's never ownership's fault.
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roger_federer
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| Halflife wrote: | | Birmingham wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | 1. First and foremost, injuries to AD/LBJ. We are a top 4 seed when they are healthy. |
The Lakers' record this season is 11-11 when both play. |
500 gets us in playoffs I think. |
don' go by just the numbers. Look at who we played in those 22 games. |
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