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Who was most responsible for the 2020 title?
Lebron
28%
 28%  [ 9 ]
AD
18%
 18%  [ 6 ]
Magic
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
Pelinka
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Jeanie
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Bubble
50%
 50%  [ 16 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:44 am    Post subject: Who should get the most credit for the 2020 title?

In every poll/post about who is to most blame for this current season the conversation invariably leads back to the 2020 title, I thought it would be interesting to ask people's opinion now (in light of this current season) who deserves the most credit for the 2020 title ?

Oh and please do add percentages if you wish. Here's my take:

Lebron: 40
AD: 30
Magic: 10
Pelinka : 5
Jeanie : 5
Bubble: 5
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:47 am    Post subject:

AD easily. Top 5 player, but his DPOY impact was the key. Literally changed the complexity of the defense. Had a strong case for FMVP. Just too bad media put all the spotlight on Lebron.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:54 am    Post subject:

Lebron's wife- Lebron doesn't come over if she wasn't insistent on living in LA IIRC.

Lotto balls- Getting a top 5 pick helped improved our package to get AD.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:10 am    Post subject:

LeBubble 100%

Stars like Kawhi with their chronic tendinopathy or even injury riddled players like AD can’t really exploit a 4 month reCOVIDry window quite like a LeBron can. Dude is an anomaly of an athlete.

If every postseason has it where a team could have multiple months to reset/recharge before going thru the ringer of the postseason, I pick Bron every single time to exploit that type of scenario.

Imho Vogs isn’t a proven title coach and our FO isn’t a proven title bball ops. Bron however is a proven title commodity. Dude gets nearly all the credit in exploiting pandemic conditions.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:03 am    Post subject:

Bron-AD was easily Shaqobe with Rondo in Fisher spot
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:51 am    Post subject:

You forgot to add "rest due to COVID break". That 4 months off gave our injury-prone stars an edge.

My friend messaged me after the announcement of the first 30 day suspension and I told him that if the season resumed, we'd have the advantage of a rested LeBron and AD. We have seen LeBron take 2 weeks off in a season and how that changed everything for Cleveland. The pandemic safety measures also derailed our biggest threat in the Clippers, especially Lemon Pepper and Pandemic P.

I'm grateful that COVID essentially gave us #17. It would be remiss of me (or anyone) not to acknowledge that fact.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:55 am    Post subject:

If I blame LBJ for the bad.

Then it's only fair if I give him credit for the bubble title.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:17 am    Post subject:

Elite defense.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:22 am    Post subject:

Covid
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:32 am    Post subject:

Sad to see Laker fans demising that title given all that happened that year from January 26th to shutdown to bubble.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:13 pm    Post subject:

James and Davis, but i give Davis the slight edge for defense
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:29 pm    Post subject:

Part-way comment:
It's interesting how the faith in LBD/AD has fallen, at this juncture most are chalking up the 2020 title to circumstances/luck (50% voting for "Bubble")
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:58 pm    Post subject:

Defense. Hard to break down the %'s, but Vogel, AD, Green, Caruso are all deserving of major credit.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:59 pm    Post subject:

ThePageDude wrote:
Part-way comment:
It's interesting how the faith in LBD/AD has fallen, at this juncture most are chalking up the 2020 title to circumstances/luck (50% voting for "Bubble")


A healthy LBJ/AD are still bad MFers but it's just hard to see them staying healthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Who should get the most credit for the 2020 title?

ThePageDude wrote:
In every poll/post about who is to most blame for this current season the conversation invariably leads back to the 2020 title, I thought it would be interesting to ask people's opinion now (in light of this current season) who deserves the most credit for the 2020 title ?

Oh and please do add percentages if you wish. Here's my take:

Lebron: 40
AD: 30
Magic: 10
Pelinka : 5
Jeanie : 5
Bubble: 5


I couldn't give you any percentages that weren't plucked from thin air.

Our team was Lebron and AD, and then everyone else. We wouldn't have won without either of them. I think everyone else you list was replaceable, and it's hard to know what impact any of them genuinely had.

As far as the the impact of the Bubble, again, who knows? That's a guess too. Some people seem to think we wouldn't have won if not for the Bubble, but I don't think that's a given myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:12 pm    Post subject:

ThePageDude wrote:
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It's interesting how the faith in LBD/AD has fallen, at this juncture most are chalking up the 2020 title to circumstances/luck (50% voting for "Bubble")



The 50% isn't surprising. There are some people who feel the Bubble was the main reason we won. But there are a lot of folks who want to bash and discredit Lebron, and they believe calling it "The Bubble Title" does that.

We all know the folks who bash Lebron 24-7 on the board. You will never hear any of them call the 2020 championship anything but the "Bubble" title, in a way that is meant to discount it (even as they passively-aggressively deny they are discounting it).

That sentiment is not new. Those people felt the same way right after the title, but many were afraid to say anything because people were enjoying winning. Now that we've had a couple of losing years they found the courage to speak.

And that's cool. People come to this board for entertainment, and people entertain themselves in different ways.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:32 pm    Post subject:

I say "thanks to bubble" and crucified. Nice to see its dominating.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:09 pm    Post subject:

My vote goes to “team chemistry”.

That team had it. They were united even more by the Bryant family tragedy.
And by the effect it had on all those families and fans throughout the world.

That team played with a purpose and intensity that wins Championships.

Can’t break it down into segments or percentages. That collective of individuals that created the collective Laker Team deserves the credit and respect they earned on the court.

JMO
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:23 pm    Post subject:

What role did the bubble play in the lakers being the #1 team in the western conference before the league shut down?

Who is more likely to win the NBA championship than the #1 rated team in the west? The only argument is that Milwaukee would've beat Miami outside the bubble, and they would've beat us.


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Western Conference
1. Los Angeles Lakers | 49-14
2. LA Clippers | 44-20
3. Denver Nuggets | 43-22
4. Utah Jazz | 41-23
5. Oklahoma City Thunder | 40-24
6. Houston Rockets | 40-24
7. Dallas Mavericks | 40-27
8. Memphis Grizzlies | 32-33
9. Portland Trail Blazers | 29-37
10. New Orleans Pelicans | 28-36
11. Sacramento Kings | 28-36
12. San Antonio Spurs | 27-36
13. Phoenix Suns | 26-39
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:24 pm    Post subject:

Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
My vote goes to “team chemistry”.

That team had it. They were united even more by the Bryant family tragedy.
And by the effect it had on all those families and fans throughout the world.

That team played with a purpose and intensity that wins Championships.

Can’t break it down into segments or percentages. That collective of individuals that created the collective Laker Team deserves the credit and respect they earned on the court.

JMO


But isn't team chemistry AD + Lebron + truly complimentary players
as opposed to AD + Lebron + players that don't fit ???
In other words I'm asking if team-chemistry is some mystical entity independent of Lebron/AD/Pelinka/Magic/Jeanie - or something created by good FO/ownership to complement LBJ + AD?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:27 pm    Post subject:

1. Rich Paul
2. Frank Vogel's defense
3. Covid
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:28 pm    Post subject:

(bleep) you all who are voting for "Bubble". You are pathetic.

Lakers led the Western Conference all season long. A week before covid we beat both the Clippers and the Bucks in dominant fashion. Best defense in the league.

All teams and players had the same amount of rest. No traveling. The same courts. The same hotels. The same time zone. Lakers LOST home court advantage.

It was pure basketball and the Lakers won it.

Again: (bleep) you all.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:51 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
(bleep) you all who are voting for "Bubble". You are pathetic.

Lakers led the Western Conference all season long. A week before covid we beat both the Clippers and the Bucks in dominant fashion. Best defense in the league.

All teams and players had the same amount of rest. No traveling. The same courts. The same hotels. The same time zone. Lakers LOST home court advantage.

It was pure basketball and the Lakers won it.

Again: (bleep) you all.


Thank you. But flippers didnt want to be there who cares? They were there, they played, they got embarassed. If they didnt choke, somehow beat us, no one would mention that. 2 all NBA 1st teamers. Elite defense. Best team in the league that year. As legit title as it gets
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:58 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
(bleep) you all who are voting for "Bubble". You are pathetic.

Lakers led the Western Conference all season long. A week before covid we beat both the Clippers and the Bucks in dominant fashion. Best defense in the league.

All teams and players had the same amount of rest. No traveling. The same courts. The same hotels. The same time zone. Lakers LOST home court advantage.

It was pure basketball and the Lakers won it.

Again: (bleep) you all.


Its the calling card of disgruntled Clipper fans....and probably mix in some bitter Celtic fans in there as well. The crybabies who talk down about the 2020 title know who they are and let themselves be known every time they bring it up.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:05 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
danzag wrote:
(bleep) you all who are voting for "Bubble". You are pathetic.

Lakers led the Western Conference all season long. A week before covid we beat both the Clippers and the Bucks in dominant fashion. Best defense in the league.

All teams and players had the same amount of rest. No traveling. The same courts. The same hotels. The same time zone. Lakers LOST home court advantage.

It was pure basketball and the Lakers won it.

Again: (bleep) you all.


Its the calling card of disgruntled Clipper fans....and probably mix in some bitter Celtic fans in there as well. The crybabies who talk down about the 2020 title know who they are and let themselves be known every time they bring it up.

why is claiming the bubble being a huge luxury for 2 guys who cant stay healthy for a whole season not a legit reason? Pre-bubble lottery, post bubble yr 1 play-in, 2nd year, not even play-in. Obviously, our roster this year sucks, but bron an AD have been out because of how broken down they are.
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