Looks like we should have hired Jason Kidd as Head Coach instead of assistant when we had the chance. And obviously Lue. But I’m curious what Snyder could do when he doesn’t have stars as limited as Mitchell and Gobert.
Kidd is straight up running what Vogel did a lot of the times.
Beating the Jazz in playoffs, even with your star player out for some of that, is not that big a deal, TBH.
Ettoire Messina is still around too, whom I thought would have been the perfect coach for the Lakers when they had their young talent. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Looks like we should have hired Jason Kidd as Head Coach instead of assistant when we had the chance. And obviously Lue. But I’m curious what Snyder could do when he doesn’t have stars as limited as Mitchell and Gobert.
Kidd is straight up running what Vogel did a lot of the times.
Beating the Jazz in playoffs, even with your star player out for some of that, is not that big a deal, TBH.
One of the smartest things Kidd could have done, studying under a professional coach like Vogel. Kidd had the cache and a lot of basketball smarts, but he became a head coach before learning the job. Could see him becoming the guy who replaces whoever we hire next. Would fit the Buss MO to a tee. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
Looks like we should have hired Jason Kidd as Head Coach instead of assistant when we had the chance. And obviously Lue. But I’m curious what Snyder could do when he doesn’t have stars as limited as Mitchell and Gobert.
Kidd is straight up running what Vogel did a lot of the times.
Beating the Jazz in playoffs, even with your star player out for some of that, is not that big a deal, TBH.
One of the smartest things Kidd could have done, studying under a professional coach like Vogel. Kidd had the cache and a lot of basketball smarts, but he became a head coach before learning the job. Could see him becoming the guy who replaces whoever we hire next. Would fit the Buss MO to a tee.
He’s actually pretty similar to Vogel in that Dallas is more of a grind/defensive awareness type team.
It’s honestly preference. I’m thinking the Carlisle teams would have blown the crap out of this Jazz team. We saw what happened to Dallas when their hot shooting cooled against the Clippers. They couldn’t defend and paid for it when their shots weren’t falling.
Kidd will have them more capable to close out games and series, but the flip side of that is the opponent stays in the game.
He still has Luka, so maybe this Vogel/Kidd type strategy is better for them since they have a closer in Luka who can close out like Lebron with even better shooting.
Sources: The Lakers have requested permission to interview Milwaukee Bucks assistant Darvin Ham for their head coach opening. Ham served as a Lakers assistant from 2011-13. The team is starting the next stage of the coaching search process.
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:04 pm Post subject:
Halflife wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Halflife wrote:
Juwan
Quinn
Nurse
Kidd
IMHO is the list they will go after.
Go after coaches you can’t talk to?
come on. "can't" doesn't really mean "can't".
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Ettoire Messina is still around too, whom I thought would have been the perfect coach for the Lakers when they had their young talent.
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:31 pm Post subject:
epic_ wrote:
Dham is an interesting choice.
Fits the mold of late 40-early 50 year olds who were mediocre as players being good coaches a la Monty and Kerr.
Why do you think it is that mediocre players make good coaches but star players usually fail, other than maybe Kidd? (Too early to tell with Nash.) Theoretically, shouldn’t Kidd’s offensive genius translate to coaching? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Fits the mold of late 40-early 50 year olds who were mediocre as players being good coaches a la Monty and Kerr.
Why do you think it is that mediocre players make good coaches but star players usually fail, other than maybe Kidd? (Too early to tell with Nash.) Theoretically, shouldn’t Kidd’s offensive genius translate to coaching?
Have no idea.
Maybe stars don't have the patience of guys not being as good as them? _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
Fits the mold of late 40-early 50 year olds who were mediocre as players being good coaches a la Monty and Kerr.
Why do you think it is that mediocre players make good coaches but star players usually fail, other than maybe Kidd? (Too early to tell with Nash.) Theoretically, shouldn’t Kidd’s offensive genius translate to coaching?
Analogy:
I'm a dead-eye sniper at 3000 yards so I deserve to be a general.
The thing about Ham, while the thinking may be solid, he's going to try and bring some of the same NBA schemes that Milwaukee uses to win titles, and he's a former NBA player, and has some Lakers past (was an assistant). Then you add money, he's gonna be in the same price range as Vogel was in 2019. There's a lot of things there that work for the Lakers. At least it's not like signing a name coach who hasn't done (bleep) in years.
He's been with Buldenhozer a long time. I think from 2013-18 in Atlanta, and again in MIL. I would honestly say at first glance, this is a lot better than hiring someone like Scotty Brooks, Marc Jackson etc
The only disadvantage is that as a rookie head coach, you go into the playoffs, if the Lakers get there, there's a learning curve there. With rookie coaches it can go really well, or it can go sometimes awfully bad.
However I don't really have title expecations, and I also think deep down the Lakers FO has probably come to the realization that it's just going to be competitive in the remainder of the Lebron/AD era. Adding some of the schemes from Milwaukee's offense will help this team. If they buy in. But obvious we need to rid ourselves of Westbrook, as he's not going to play like Jrue any day of the week.
Lets see how it plays out, so far, having thought about it, I think this is a solid interview selection and I would be a lot happier with an inspired risky choice than this than going with MJ/Brooks etc.
They can hire any HC they want, but nothing changes until they move on from the current roster and James-centric culture.
No coach will get any “buy in “ to change or play the right way from the same players, attitude and culture. And the culture isn’t changing with James, Westbrook, and the roster filled with entitled vets leading the way.
Vogel was the scapegoat. Plain and simple. His days were numbered the moment he started calling out players for lack of defensive effort and intensity after early bad losses.
Not sure any HC could get buy in from this group. Certainly not a rookie HC or popular retread. Lakers are simply hiring a ego manager for a couple years until they can start rebuilding some players interested in competing.
I find it hard to get excited about any HC hiring. Their impact is minimal until we get past the Retirement Tour.
Fits the mold of late 40-early 50 year olds who were mediocre as players being good coaches a la Monty and Kerr.
Why do you think it is that mediocre players make good coaches but star players usually fail, other than maybe Kidd? (Too early to tell with Nash.) Theoretically, shouldn’t Kidd’s offensive genius translate to coaching?
because kobes, mjs expect the same effort, sacrifices and discipline. Mediocres had to find ways which is what coaching is.
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:26 am Post subject:
If I’m looking for my first head coaching job the last thing I would want would be a team with a post-prime Lebron chasing Kareem’s scoring record, a disinterested AD and a set in his way Westbrook. Better to start with a young team where the players would actually listen to you. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
If I’m looking for my first head coaching job the last thing I would want would be a team with a post-prime Lebron chasing Kareem’s scoring record, a disinterested AD and a set in his way Westbrook. Better to start with a young team where the players would actually listen to you.
I agree but there are only 32 opportunities so sometimes you say yes and figure it out on the fly. The bar in reality is only needing to fight for play in status. Bron said year wasn’t a failure so I assume 10 seed would be a heroic season.
If I’m looking for my first head coaching job the last thing I would want would be a team with a post-prime Lebron chasing Kareem’s scoring record, a disinterested AD and a set in his way Westbrook. Better to start with a young team where the players would actually listen to you.
Nah.
Only 32 jobs available. You grab whatever opportunity you have.
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