Wiggins goes from Maple Jordan to Maple Harrison Barnes and he's getting a redemption tour?!? The bar is below the floor.
Put Jimmy Butler on the Warriors and he'd cook like '87 Jordan with the matchups he'd face.
Lets be honest with the Wiggins take... Guy is like 3rd/4th option on that team. He's the guy they leave wide open because teams are too busy trying to guard Curry and Klay... Klay was up and down but his court presence alone that teams game plan on. Can't say much about Wiggins.
Wiggins put up 18ppg/9rebs at 44%/32%/57% shooting split in 40mpg in the Finals. Which is worst than his season average playing at only 32mpg..
This is more about the Celts could not score, and Curry's performance...
Wiggins goes from Maple Jordan to Maple Harrison Barnes and he's getting a redemption tour?!? The bar is below the floor.
Put Jimmy Butler on the Warriors and he'd cook like '87 Jordan with the matchups he'd face.
Lets be honest with the Wiggins take... Guy is like 3rd/4th option on that team. He's the guy they leave wide open because teams are too busy trying to guard Curry and Klay... Klay was up and down but his court presence alone that teams game plan on. Can't say much about Wiggins.
Wiggins put up 18ppg/9rebs at 44%/32%/57% shooting split in 40mpg in the Finals. Which is worst than his season average playing at only 32mpg..
This is more about the Celts could not score, and Curry's performance...
I would gladly take on Wiggins, he proved that he can win and knows how to step up when it counts.
Wiggins goes from Maple Jordan to Maple Harrison Barnes and he's getting a redemption tour?!? The bar is below the floor.
Put Jimmy Butler on the Warriors and he'd cook like '87 Jordan with the matchups he'd face.
Lets be honest with the Wiggins take... Guy is like 3rd/4th option on that team. He's the guy they leave wide open because teams are too busy trying to guard Curry and Klay... Klay was up and down but his court presence alone that teams game plan on. Can't say much about Wiggins.
Wiggins put up 18ppg/9rebs at 44%/32%/57% shooting split in 40mpg in the Finals. Which is worst than his season average playing at only 32mpg..
This is more about the Celts could not score, and Curry's performance...
I would gladly take on Wiggins, he proved that he can win and knows how to step up when it counts.
Wiggins is a product of Warriors system playing along side Curry/Klay that can maximize a player's talent. Not sure he will be the same type of player on another team. His also overpaid. Do Warriors give him another max extension?
Wiggins goes from Maple Jordan to Maple Harrison Barnes and he's getting a redemption tour?!? The bar is below the floor.
Put Jimmy Butler on the Warriors and he'd cook like '87 Jordan with the matchups he'd face.
Lets be honest with the Wiggins take... Guy is like 3rd/4th option on that team. He's the guy they leave wide open because teams are too busy trying to guard Curry and Klay... Klay was up and down but his court presence alone that teams game plan on. Can't say much about Wiggins.
Wiggins put up 18ppg/9rebs at 44%/32%/57% shooting split in 40mpg in the Finals. Which is worst than his season average playing at only 32mpg..
This is more about the Celts could not score, and Curry's performance...
I would gladly take on Wiggins, he proved that he can win and knows how to step up when it counts.
Wiggins is a product of Warriors system playing along side Curry/Klay that can maximize a player's talent. Not sure he will be the same type of player on another team. His also overpaid. Do Warriors give him another max extension?
I wouldn’t pay max for Wiggins. I’d slide Kuminga into that spot. I’d try to resign Otto Porter for something far less than what Wiggins will try to get
Safe to say Curry is the 2nd greatest PG of all time now?
without a doubt.
watching Curry shooting 3s gives me the same pleasure of watching Kobe isolations. it is pure art.
No.
Magic Johnson. ...
Oscar Robertson. ...
Jerry West. ...
Stephen Curry. ...
Isiah Thomas. ...
Chris Paul. ...
John Stockton. ...
Steve Nash.
Bob Cousy
There’s no real coherent argument for West and Oscar over Steph.
Have you ever seen either of them play? West is called The Logo for a reason. Career StatsOscar Robinson was the triple-double leader for years and he could shoot. Career Stats Step is underrated for his defense. He's more known for his 3pt shooting. Career Stats
Compare their stats. They are real coherent arguments for West and Oscar over. Also factor in eras.
Triple doubles are meaningless, you just saw Mr. Triple Double come in and kill this Laker team.
West and Oscar are pioneers and deserve respect for their impact on the game. But there’s no real argument for having them over Curry all time. West didn’t even play with a 3 point line.
Curry has 2 MVP’s, was the only unanimous MVP in history, completely revolutionized the sport, was the main driving force in the Warriors reaching 6 Finals in 8 years, is a 4-time champion, and the greatest shooter in the history of basketball. How does a Google search of Oscar’s stats stand up to that? Unless you REALLY value triple-doubles THAT much, in which case I’m assuming you have Westbrook as a top 5 point guard all time as well?
I'll ask again. Have you ever seen West, Robinson or Cousy play? The eye test trumps stats.
I don't have Westbrook ranked. Also, look at rosters. Curry had the better and more settled roster.
If the 3pt shot was in their era I'm sure they would have excelled.
Have YOU seen Cousy and West play? Because they couldn’t even use their offhand to dribble for a majority of their careers lol
Magic spent the majority of his career playing with Hall of Famers and arguably the greatest basketball player of all time (Kareem). Do you hold that against him?
I don’t deal with hypotheticals, I deal with reality. Curry torched the best defense in the NBA that neutralized Durant, Cousy played against plumbers and used car salesmen. _________________ If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft. - Magic Johnson Mar 27, 2011
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:42 pm Post subject:
IMO Wiggins is overpaid, $31,579,390. Golden State may try to move him. I think his salary is gonna make it difficult. He was instrumental in winning the ship this year but I don't think he worth what he's being paid. Warriors Roster & Salaries _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:08 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
IMO Wiggins is overpaid, $31,579,390. Golden State may try to move him. I think his salary is gonna make it difficult. He was instrumental in winning the ship this year but I don't think he worth what he's being paid. Warriors Roster & Salaries
Some trash franchise like the Kings will offer him a max deal. Will the Warriors match? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Wiggins is a product of Warriors system playing along side Curry/Klay that can maximize a player's talent. Not sure he will be the same type of player on another team. His also overpaid. Do Warriors give him another max extension?
He has benefitted from their system and spacing. But I think they have to pay him if they want to contend for more titles with Steph and Klay. He was their second best player in the Finals. Played fantastic defense while averaging 18, 9, 2, 1.5, and 1.5.
He's not a max player but someone may will pay him. Warriors would be foolish to let him go as they will have no way to replace him if they do. They need to get him on as reasonable a deal as they can but they have to resign him.
It's a similar situation that the Lakers had with Schroder last season. The Lakers should have resigned him and kept all those assets that they gave up for Westbrook. Yeah Schroder screwed himself as he'll likely never recoup the money he turned down, but him walking also wrecked the Lakers. .
Warriors will be in the same position. If he walks they still won't have cap space to sign a replacement. But they lose an asset for nothing. The only other option is to trade him to try to get some value but in that scenario they would be bringing back equal salary or just salary dumping him.
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Wiggins is a product of Warriors system playing along side Curry/Klay that can maximize a player's talent. Not sure he will be the same type of player on another team. His also overpaid. Do Warriors give him another max extension?
He has benefitted from their system and spacing. But I think they have to pay him if they want to contend for more titles with Steph and Klay. He was their second best player in the Finals. Played fantastic defense while averaging 18, 9, 2, 1.5, and 1.5.
He's not a max player but someone may will pay him. Warriors would be foolish to let him go as they will have no way to replace him if they do. They need to get him on as reasonable a deal as they can but they have to resign him.
It's a similar situation that the Lakers had with Schroder last season. The Lakers should have resigned him and kept all those assets that they gave up for Westbrook. Yeah Schroder screwed himself as he'll likely never recoup the money he turned down, but him walking also wrecked the Lakers. .
Warriors will be in the same position. If he walks they still won't have cap space to sign a replacement. But they lose an asset for nothing. The only other option is to trade him to try to get some value but in that scenario they would be bringing back equal salary or just salary dumping him.
Warriors owner will be heavily tested the next couple of season. They are massively way over the cap and will be paying a ton in repeaters tax. They also have some other players that they need to resign... Poole/Looney/GP2 not to mention they need to decide if they want to extend Draymond/Klay...
I know the Warriors has shown a willing to spend but at some point that wallet has to break.
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:10 pm Post subject:
BynumForThree wrote:
jodeke wrote:
BynumForThree wrote:
jodeke wrote:
BynumForThree wrote:
jodeke wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
danzag wrote:
Safe to say Curry is the 2nd greatest PG of all time now?
without a doubt.
watching Curry shooting 3s gives me the same pleasure of watching Kobe isolations. it is pure art.
No.
Magic Johnson. ...
Oscar Robertson. ...
Jerry West. ...
Stephen Curry. ...
Isiah Thomas. ...
Chris Paul. ...
John Stockton. ...
Steve Nash.
Bob Cousy
There’s no real coherent argument for West and Oscar over Steph.
Have you ever seen either of them play? West is called The Logo for a reason. Career StatsOscar Robinson was the triple-double leader for years and he could shoot. Career Stats Step is underrated for his defense. He's more known for his 3pt shooting. Career Stats
Compare their stats. They are real coherent arguments for West and Oscar over. Also factor in eras.
Triple doubles are meaningless, you just saw Mr. Triple Double come in and kill this Laker team.
West and Oscar are pioneers and deserve respect for their impact on the game. But there’s no real argument for having them over Curry all time. West didn’t even play with a 3 point line.
Curry has 2 MVP’s, was the only unanimous MVP in history, completely revolutionized the sport, was the main driving force in the Warriors reaching 6 Finals in 8 years, is a 4-time champion, and the greatest shooter in the history of basketball. How does a Google search of Oscar’s stats stand up to that? Unless you REALLY value triple-doubles THAT much, in which case I’m assuming you have Westbrook as a top 5 point guard all time as well?
I'll ask again. Have you ever seen West, Robinson or Cousy play? The eye test trumps stats.
I don't have Westbrook ranked. Also, look at rosters. Curry had the better and more settled roster.
If the 3pt shot was in their era I'm sure they would have excelled.
Have YOU seen Cousy and West play? Because they couldn’t even use their offhand to dribble for a majority of their careers lol
Cousy was a magician with the ball, and so was Magic. If they didn't have strong left hands it didn't hinder their passing and getting around a defender one on one.
Magic spent the majority of his career playing with Hall of Famers and arguably the greatest basketball player of all time (Kareem). Do you hold that against him?
Nope
I don’t deal with hypotheticals, I deal with reality. Curry torched the best defense in the NBA that neutralized Durant, Cousy played against plumbers and used car salesmen.
So did Magic and Cousy. The defense was more physical in the past.
The league was shallow in the Russell, Cousy days. Professional basketball was just beginning to take off. The NBA was competing with college basketball. Plumbers and used car salesman is a fallacy. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Wiggins goes from Maple Jordan to Maple Harrison Barnes and he's getting a redemption tour?!? The bar is below the floor.
Put Jimmy Butler on the Warriors and he'd cook like '87 Jordan with the matchups he'd face.
Lets be honest with the Wiggins take... Guy is like 3rd/4th option on that team. He's the guy they leave wide open because teams are too busy trying to guard Curry and Klay... Klay was up and down but his court presence alone that teams game plan on. Can't say much about Wiggins.
Wiggins put up 18ppg/9rebs at 44%/32%/57% shooting split in 40mpg in the Finals. Which is worst than his season average playing at only 32mpg..
This is more about the Celts could not score, and Curry's performance...
You leave out a big important part... Wiggins played great defense on Tatum and hit timely shots when the team needed it.
Safe to say Curry is the 2nd greatest PG of all time now?
without a doubt.
watching Curry shooting 3s gives me the same pleasure of watching Kobe isolations. it is pure art.
No.
Magic Johnson. ...
Oscar Robertson. ...
Jerry West. ...
Stephen Curry. ...
Isiah Thomas. ...
Chris Paul. ...
John Stockton. ...
Steve Nash.
Bob Cousy
There’s no real coherent argument for West and Oscar over Steph.
Have you ever seen either of them play? West is called The Logo for a reason. Career StatsOscar Robinson was the triple-double leader for years and he could shoot. Career Stats Step is underrated for his defense. He's more known for his 3pt shooting. Career Stats
Compare their stats. They are real coherent arguments for West and Oscar over. Also factor in eras.
Triple doubles are meaningless, you just saw Mr. Triple Double come in and kill this Laker team.
West and Oscar are pioneers and deserve respect for their impact on the game. But there’s no real argument for having them over Curry all time. West didn’t even play with a 3 point line.
Curry has 2 MVP’s, was the only unanimous MVP in history, completely revolutionized the sport, was the main driving force in the Warriors reaching 6 Finals in 8 years, is a 4-time champion, and the greatest shooter in the history of basketball. How does a Google search of Oscar’s stats stand up to that? Unless you REALLY value triple-doubles THAT much, in which case I’m assuming you have Westbrook as a top 5 point guard all time as well?
I'll ask again. Have you ever seen West, Robinson or Cousy play? The eye test trumps stats.
I don't have Westbrook ranked. Also, look at rosters. Curry had the better and more settled roster.
If the 3pt shot was in their era I'm sure they would have excelled.
That’s just your opinion, and if you are talking about the stats, then Westbrook has to be ranked somewhere. He was a bad player for us shouldn’t take away his accomplishments.
I’ve saw the limited highlights for west, Cousy, Robertson, not very impressive , but they were good for their eras
Wiggins goes from Maple Jordan to Maple Harrison Barnes and he's getting a redemption tour?!? The bar is below the floor.
Put Jimmy Butler on the Warriors and he'd cook like '87 Jordan with the matchups he'd face.
Lets be honest with the Wiggins take... Guy is like 3rd/4th option on that team. He's the guy they leave wide open because teams are too busy trying to guard Curry and Klay... Klay was up and down but his court presence alone that teams game plan on. Can't say much about Wiggins.
Wiggins put up 18ppg/9rebs at 44%/32%/57% shooting split in 40mpg in the Finals. Which is worst than his season average playing at only 32mpg..
This is more about the Celts could not score, and Curry's performance...
You leave out a big important part... Wiggins played great defense on Tatum and hit timely shots when the team needed it.
All I'm saying Wiggins has been the same player all along. It's not like he got better... Only thing that change was the team and situation his in.
Also mentioned that it's more about the Celts unable to score. Which has something to do with Warriors/Wiggins D. Not making excuses for Tatum but Wiggins was guarding an injured Tatum all series long..
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:25 pm Post subject:
mad55557777 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
BynumForThree wrote:
jodeke wrote:
BynumForThree wrote:
jodeke wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
danzag wrote:
Safe to say Curry is the 2nd greatest PG of all time now?
without a doubt.
watching Curry shooting 3s gives me the same pleasure of watching Kobe isolations. it is pure art.
No.
Magic Johnson. ...
Oscar Robertson. ...
Jerry West. ...
Stephen Curry. ...
Isiah Thomas. ...
Chris Paul. ...
John Stockton. ...
Steve Nash.
Bob Cousy
There’s no real coherent argument for West and Oscar over Steph.
Have you ever seen either of them play? West is called The Logo for a reason. Career StatsOscar Robinson was the triple-double leader for years and he could shoot. Career Stats Step is underrated for his defense. He's more known for his 3pt shooting. Career Stats
Compare their stats. They are real coherent arguments for West and Oscar over. Also factor in eras.
Triple doubles are meaningless, you just saw Mr. Triple Double come in and kill this Laker team.
West and Oscar are pioneers and deserve respect for their impact on the game. But there’s no real argument for having them over Curry all time. West didn’t even play with a 3 point line.
Curry has 2 MVP’s, was the only unanimous MVP in history, completely revolutionized the sport, was the main driving force in the Warriors reaching 6 Finals in 8 years, is a 4-time champion, and the greatest shooter in the history of basketball. How does a Google search of Oscar’s stats stand up to that? Unless you REALLY value triple-doubles THAT much, in which case I’m assuming you have Westbrook as a top 5 point guard all time as well?
I'll ask again. Have you ever seen West, Robinson or Cousy play? The eye test trumps stats.
I don't have Westbrook ranked. Also, look at rosters. Curry had the better and more settled roster.
If the 3pt shot was in their era I'm sure they would have excelled.
That’s just your opinion, and if you are talking about the stats, then Westbrook has to be ranked somewhere. He was a bad player for us shouldn’t take away his accomplishments.
I’ve saw the limited highlights for west, Cousy, Robertson, not very impressive , but they were good for their eras
Yes, that's my opinion. If you don't think so that's yours. I'll respect your opinion though I don't agree with it.
I saw more than highlights I watched them play. Highlights don't show their true game. IMO they could play in the league today and excel. The game has changed. It's more individual than team play. More flash than substance.
It's not just stats. Westbrook wasn't a leader. IMO that's key in ranking, making those around you better. Magic, Robertson, and Cousy did that. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Y'all for some reason rank great players, when there is no way to rank great players, in a team oriented sport, in different eras of basketball. I guess that is how you all are programmed because of the media. It's really a pointless thing to do though. Why not just appreciate greatness, not take away from it, and not discredit the contribution of teammates.
If a player that one feels is great, didn't have a great team, and they don't win anything or win less, means they are not as great as a great player that had a great team and won more... It's really an ignorant argument.
Wiggins goes from Maple Jordan to Maple Harrison Barnes and he's getting a redemption tour?!? The bar is below the floor.
Put Jimmy Butler on the Warriors and he'd cook like '87 Jordan with the matchups he'd face.
Lets be honest with the Wiggins take... Guy is like 3rd/4th option on that team. He's the guy they leave wide open because teams are too busy trying to guard Curry and Klay... Klay was up and down but his court presence alone that teams game plan on. Can't say much about Wiggins.
Wiggins put up 18ppg/9rebs at 44%/32%/57% shooting split in 40mpg in the Finals. Which is worst than his season average playing at only 32mpg..
This is more about the Celts could not score, and Curry's performance...
Wiggins was also locking down the Celtics best player that was dropping 40 on Giannis. So there's that too. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:24 am Post subject:
Outspoken wrote:
Y'all for some reason rank great players, when there is no way to rank great players, in a team oriented sport, in different eras of basketball. I guess that is how you all are programmed because of the media. It's really a pointless thing to do though. Why not just appreciate greatness, not take away from it, and not discredit the contribution of teammates.
If a player that one feels is great, didn't have a great team, and they don't win anything or win less, means they are not as great as a great player that had a great team and won more... It's really an ignorant argument.
I agree, this has been my stance on it for awhile now as well. There is pretty much 0 chance you're changing most peoples minds as they have whatever they feel cemented into there thoughts and aren't going to change. Since there is no right or wrong answers it just ends up being an endless and pointless back and forth where everyone involved is usually feeling the same afterwards anyways.
You got all the hot takes and negativity discussion shows on tv which def. help fuel and enrage some which in return makes it nearly impossible to even have a civilized discussion online especially.
West and Goodrich shot from three point range all the time.
West would average over 30 points in the playoffs against the Bill Russell Celtics who were considered one of the best defensive teams of all time.
He averaged over 46 points in a series against the Bullets... With no three point shot.
So if West averages the same shooting percentage as Steph without the three point line... then it's pretty safe to assume that had there been a three point line his total shooting percentage would be pretty close.
You can say the players he played against weren't as good... but then there were way less teams so the talent was more concentrated... he still had to play against the Big O, Frazier, Lenny Wilkens, Sam Jones, Jerry Sloan, Dave Bing, Earl the Pearl... a lot of Hall of Famers
All I'm saying Wiggins has been the same player all along. It's not like he got better... Only thing that change was the team and situation his in.
He's become a much better defender. When he came out of school everyone thought he had potential to be a great two way player, but he was a poor defender earlier in his career.
He's also improved his jumper. Up until last season he was a career 33% three point shooter whose best season was 35.6% and had never shot above 33.9% in any other season. The last two seasons he shot 38% and 39.3%. Certainly he is getting better looks, but he's also improved. In his first half season with the Warriors he only shot 33.9%.
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:16 am Post subject:
BILBJH wrote:
West and Goodrich shot from three point range all the time.
West would average over 30 points in the playoffs against the Bill Russell Celtics who were considered one of the best defensive teams of all time.
He averaged over 46 points in a series against the Bullets... With no three point shot.
So if West averages the same shooting percentage as Steph without the three point line... then it's pretty safe to assume that had there been a three point line his total shooting percentage would be pretty close.
You can say the players he played against weren't as good... but then there were way less teams so the talent was more concentrated... he still had to play against the Big O, Frazier, Lenny Wilkens, Sam Jones, Jerry Sloan, Dave Bing, Earl the Pearl... a lot of Hall of Famers
Totally agree.
That’s the issue. Folks think the current players are so much better than the old players.
Simply not true at all.
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time.
Statistically unmatched.
His vertical, hang time, hand size, grace, ability to demolish double teams, surgical approach to offense and defense, work ethic, clutch gene and killer instinct in my humble opinion have never been replicated. As an individual player earlier in his career and ultimately a team player within the confines of the triangle during his championship runs.
We can argue era all we want, and I don’t want to hear the nonsense about plumbers defending MJ. He played and beat some of the greatest to ever lace em up. _________________ I miss you Kobe. I miss you Gigi.
Draymond is right when he said that sometimes it's the organization that fails the player(Minnesota) and not the other way around.
It goes deeper as well. Kobe once asked the Coach of the Timberwolves(Sam Mitchell at the time), after playing against the Timberwolves, if he could have Wiggins and LaVine over the summer, they could stay at his place and he'd help them work on their game throughout the summer.
So Sam Mitchell essentially had to take it to the organization, and the organization denied it, thus preventing that from happening.
They had the chance to okay, Wiggins and LaVine going and staying with Kobe over the summer and working on their games with him, and said no.
There's a reason Wiggins and LaVine seemed to truly find their games once they left that place. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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Draymond is right when he said that sometimes it's the organization that fails the player(Minnesota) and not the other way around.
It goes deeper as well. Kobe once asked the Coach of the Timberwolves(Sam Mitchell at the time), after playing against the Timberwolves, if he could have Wiggins and LaVine over the summer, they could stay at his place and he'd help them work on their game throughout the summer.
So Sam Mitchell essentially had to take it to the organization, and the organization denied it, thus preventing that from happening.
They had the chance to okay, Wiggins and LaVine going and staying with Kobe over the summer and working on their games with him, and said no.
There's a reason Wiggins and LaVine seemed to truly find their games once they left that place.
KAT was the consensus #1 overall pick and ended up as an empty stats guy. I wonder what he could have been elsewhere. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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