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kfkilla Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:23 am Post subject: Did team Klutch leak the Vogal firing? |
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Speculation cause why not?
- Clearly the timing of news right after the game was a hit put out by someone.
- To some, including me, made the Lakers look like (bleep). Petty and low class. Awful thing to do for a championship coach and a good dude.
- The next day reports come out about Snyder less interested.
- We heard about Nick Nurse and now Marc Jackson, both Klutch
- Pelinka looks really annoyed when asked about the leak and the horrible look
- Klutch has a stranglehold on the vast majority of the lakers player payroll
Not too much of a logical leap to see here that it could have been leaked by Klutch to turn off other coaches, and force their own in. Thoughts?
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JUST-MING Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Of course
Klutch leaked the Christan Wood rumor. Klutch is behind the recent anti-Russell Westbrook stories. Klutch is behind the Pacers/Hornets rumors as well.
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Nah. Vogel getting fired was circulated in Jan. It was inevitable. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, it makes as much sense as any of the conspiracy theories being suggested. Why should Klutch pettiness and strategic optics for James/Klutch be any less likely then what the Lakers brain trust is capable of.
We will likely never know for sure. Doubt Woj has a moment of decency and chooses to name his “source”. Really doesn’t matter if he did, the damage is done.
This is going to be a bumpy ride, buckle up! |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Who knows, it just shows how dysfunctional the FO is. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:38 am Post subject: |
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it was Kurt Rambis. he won't get into any trouble with Jeannie Buss whatever he does because of his wife. Rambis in leaking the firing achieved 2 purposes:
1. fulfill his personal vendetta against Vogel. not sure why he had that against Vogel begin with.
2. scare off future HC candidates so his dream of be the Laker HC gets more likely. |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:23 am Post subject: |
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For them to do that, the FO would have had to tell them, which if the FO has any integrity at all, why are they telling an agency about their plans for their coach? Why do they need that information? Especially, as some claim here, if they have a history of leaking everything? Either that’s as made up as everything these certain posters say for agenda purposes, or our FO is really that stupid.
Either way, the FO is essentially the leak. And they’re the ones that look bad. They’re the ones that need to hire a new coach under the cloud of their bad faith and poor choices, not Klutch.
It’s impossible to understate how dumb this FO is. |
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zambia Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:31 am Post subject: |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | it was Kurt Rambis. he won't get into any trouble with Jeannie Buss whatever he does because of his wife. Rambis in leaking the firing achieved 2 purposes:
1. fulfill his personal vendetta against Vogel. not sure why he had that against Vogel begin with.
2. scare off future HC candidates so his dream of be the Laker HC gets more likely. |
Stop with the conspiracy theories. If Rambis really wanted the HC job, I’m pretty sure his Wife could pull some strings, to get him the job. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:41 am Post subject: |
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It’s tough to say anything definitive imo other than whoever leaked it is a Woj source.
Given the contentious relationship between CAA and Klutch, I doubt it was Klutch.
The other side to this is it could have been Pelinka who told him in January that Vogel is being let go at the end of the year and Woj decided to run with it and tweet it out before anyone.
My guess is Rob told him a while back and probably didn’t expect him to tweet it immediately after game 82. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:42 am Post subject: |
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I had just assumed that it was leaked by Rich Paul. The bigger question is why he knew about it in advance. The logical explanation is that Pelinka sounded him out about the head coach candidates that he represents. This is just speculation, obviously, but it makes sense to me. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:09 am Post subject: |
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say what you want about the Jim/Mitch era, but that was a tight ship in terms of media leaks. Every thought that crosses the collective head of the current FO is on twitter a day later. |
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zambia Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | I had just assumed that it was leaked by Rich Paul. The bigger question is why he knew about it in advance. The logical explanation is that Pelinka sounded him out about the head coach candidates that he represents. This is just speculation, obviously, but it makes sense to me. |
Pelinka stated he didn’t have a list of coaching candidates, was he lying when he made the statement.
Why would he speak with Paul about coaching clients currently under contract, that’s tampering. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:33 am Post subject: |
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zambia wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | I had just assumed that it was leaked by Rich Paul. The bigger question is why he knew about it in advance. The logical explanation is that Pelinka sounded him out about the head coach candidates that he represents. This is just speculation, obviously, but it makes sense to me. |
Pelinka stated he didn’t have a list of coaching candidates, was he lying when he made the statement.
Why would he speak with Paul about coaching clients currently under contract, that’s tampering. |
Would Rob Pelinka engage in tampering? Perish the thought. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved |
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Dr. Laker Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Vogel's firing has been the subject of media speculation since January. This wanting to paint everything negative that happens with a Klutch brush is just childish. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns". |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Laker wrote: | Vogel's firing has been the subject of media speculation since January. This wanting to paint everything negative that happens with a Klutch brush is just childish. |
Quote: | Frank Vogel has coached his final game for the Lakers, a decision that’s expected to be shared with him as soon as Monday, sources tell ESPN. Lakers’ search expected to be lengthy and expansive with no clear initial frontrunner. |
Read that last sentence and tell me anyone but a front office person wrote that. Why is Klutch saying something like that? A klutch leak would say that he lost the team in the lockeroom or something. And the timing of the tweet was oddly precise--the second after the last game ends. It reeks as the front office trying to look serious and all business and wanting to immediately reframe a narrative away from how awful a job they did building a roster. |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:30 am Post subject: |
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JUST-MING wrote: | Of course
Klutch leaked the Christan Wood rumor. Klutch is behind the recent anti-Russell Westbrook stories. Klutch is behind the Pacers/Hornets rumors as well. |
Has the basketball hall of fame asked for your clown nose from this season? Just a 2006 Kobe-level run of embarrassing takes. "Klutch is behind the recent anti-Russell westbrook stories." I got news for you, pal. *Russell Westbrook* and his crappy play was behind all the anti-Russell Westbrook stories. And now Klutch is making up fake trades for Russ? Lol Okay.
Yeah, the front office meanwhile was super pleased with Russ's play and knows the fans want to see him back in the PnG next season, but now these damn Klutch rumors are ruining everything!!
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:30 am Post subject: |
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zambia wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | I had just assumed that it was leaked by Rich Paul. The bigger question is why he knew about it in advance. The logical explanation is that Pelinka sounded him out about the head coach candidates that he represents. This is just speculation, obviously, but it makes sense to me. |
Pelinka stated he didn’t have a list of coaching candidates, was he lying when he made the statement.
Why would he speak with Paul about coaching clients currently under contract, that’s tampering. |
Well, Pelinka is a known liar and tamperer, so that isn’t an unreasonable assumption. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Let's see, IF Klutch leaked the firing they hurt LJ because other candidates
think they will be equally disrespected.
So "IF" they leaked, they're a bunch of rich idiots; IMO. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Laker wrote: | Vogel's firing has been the subject of media speculation since January. This wanting to paint everything negative that happens with a Klutch brush is just childish. |
It’s easier to blame the Klutch boogeyman than to recognize that the people who are running your favorite team have flaws. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:35 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | Vogel's firing has been the subject of media speculation since January. This wanting to paint everything negative that happens with a Klutch brush is just childish. |
It’s easier to blame the Klutch boogeyman than to recognize that the people who are running your favorite team have flaws. |
Truth be told, we have no clue what happened or who did what. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:54 am Post subject: |
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deal wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | Vogel's firing has been the subject of media speculation since January. This wanting to paint everything negative that happens with a Klutch brush is just childish. |
It’s easier to blame the Klutch boogeyman than to recognize that the people who are running your favorite team have flaws. |
Truth be told, we have no clue what happened or who did what. |
We know that someone told a social media influencer that Vogel would be fired the day before he was fired. It reflects poorly on the FO. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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zambia Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | zambia wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | I had just assumed that it was leaked by Rich Paul. The bigger question is why he knew about it in advance. The logical explanation is that Pelinka sounded him out about the head coach candidates that he represents. This is just speculation, obviously, but it makes sense to me. |
Pelinka stated he didn’t have a list of coaching candidates, was he lying when he made the statement.
Why would he speak with Paul about coaching clients currently under contract, that’s tampering. |
Would Rob Pelinka engage in tampering? Perish the thought. |
I was being sarcastic with the tampering statement. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Every single person that's watched the Lakers knew that was going to happen. Woj just said it because he knew it was finna happen and he jumped the gun to get the credit for it. IMO it's why Pelinka was so pissed. |
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zambia Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:04 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | zambia wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | I had just assumed that it was leaked by Rich Paul. The bigger question is why he knew about it in advance. The logical explanation is that Pelinka sounded him out about the head coach candidates that he represents. This is just speculation, obviously, but it makes sense to me. |
Pelinka stated he didn’t have a list of coaching candidates, was he lying when he made the statement.
Why would he speak with Paul about coaching clients currently under contract, that’s tampering. |
Well, Pelinka is a known liar and tamperer, so that isn’t an unreasonable assumption. |
I agree. |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Not a doubt in my mind it was Rich Paul. |
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