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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:44 pm    Post subject: Superteams Aren't Faring Well This Season

Hey All,

Latest @BleacherReport Can Nets, Lakers Front Offices Wrest Back Control from Stars? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10034110-can-nets-lakers-front-offices-wrest-back-control-from-stars -- I don't suggest Kyrie, KD, LeBron, AD control their respective teams, but balancing their influence is a challenge

--- in all honesty, not a fan of the headline, which I didn't write.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:22 pm    Post subject:

Also

Latest @SportsBizClass SBC 2022 Mock NBA Draft: Part I with alumni @rongutterman24 @AriEizen @pearlsteinaaron making the selections - picks 1-14 https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/sbc-2022-mock-nba-draft-part-i/
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:24 pm    Post subject:

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But James certainly has a strong influence on the Lakers' decision-making. Multiple sources indicate the team's front office is internally blaming pressure from Klutch Sports Group (representing both James and Davis) for Westbrook


They were able to say no to lue or caruso but can't say no to westbrook? Lol

At the end of the day the FO had the ability to put a stop to the trade despite the pressure.

This has happened multiple times in the Lakers history and has led to good results because the people stopping such moves were experienced to understand their implications.

Can't say the same about the 4 bozos who make up are FO right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Superteams Aren't Faring Well This Season

emplay wrote:
Hey All,

Latest @BleacherReport Can Nets, Lakers Front Offices Wrest Back Control from Stars? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10034110-can-nets-lakers-front-offices-wrest-back-control-from-stars -- I don't suggest Kyrie, KD, LeBron, AD control their respective teams, but balancing their influence is a challenge

--- in all honesty, not a fan of the headline, which I didn't write.

Cheers,

EP
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Lebron, as "The Leader" and "Face" of this Lakers who wanted Westbrook, was expected to do what's necessary (communications, connections, continuous dialogue, working together) to bring the team together.

Surprising that Westbrook felt disconnected to LBJ/AD throughout the season.

Was it ever realistic to automatically hand the keys of the team to Westbrook while expecting LBJ and AD to accept being the 2nd and 3rd options.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:30 am    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
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But James certainly has a strong influence on the Lakers' decision-making. Multiple sources indicate the team's front office is internally blaming pressure from Klutch Sports Group (representing both James and Davis) for Westbrook


They were able to say no to lue or caruso but can't say no to westbrook? Lol

At the end of the day the FO had the ability to put a stop to the trade despite the pressure.

This has happened multiple times in the Lakers history and has led to good results because the people stopping such moves were experienced to understand their implications.

Can't say the same about the 4 bozos who make up are FO right now.

didn't lue want money/years?

We don't know if he knew caruso was gone or not and how he felt about it once Russ was said to be an option.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:31 pm    Post subject:

Larry Ellison is out there, he’s been trying to buy a team for years.
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But James certainly has a strong influence on the Lakers' decision-making. Multiple sources indicate the team's front office is internally blaming pressure from Klutch Sports Group (representing both James and Davis) for Westbrook


They were able to say no to lue or caruso but can't say no to westbrook? Lol

At the end of the day the FO had the ability to put a stop to the trade despite the pressure.

This has happened multiple times in the Lakers history and has led to good results because the people stopping such moves were experienced to understand their implications.

Can't say the same about the 4 bozos who make up are FO right now.

didn't lue want money/years?

We don't know if he knew caruso was gone or not and how he felt about it once Russ was said to be an option.


That's the point

The FO was able to prevent such moves like hiring lue or keeping caruso due to their own reasons regardless of lebron's feelings.

But somehow the westbrook trade was an exception even though they had no restrictions in rejecting the move like lue/caruso?

Lol that's not how being in charge works. The FO doesn't get to decide how much credit or blame they receive if a roster move works in their favor or not.
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Halflife wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
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But James certainly has a strong influence on the Lakers' decision-making. Multiple sources indicate the team's front office is internally blaming pressure from Klutch Sports Group (representing both James and Davis) for Westbrook
They were able to say no to lue or caruso but can't say no to westbrook? Lol

At the end of the day the FO had the ability to put a stop to the trade despite the pressure.

This has happened multiple times in the Lakers history and has led to good results because the people stopping such moves were experienced to understand their implications.

Can't say the same about the 4 bozos who make up are FO right now.

didn't lue want money/years?

We don't know if he knew caruso was gone or not and how he felt about it once Russ was said to be an option.
Question is not the ability to say no to Russ because the real question is whether one Dan say no to LBJ regarding his decision to trade for Russ

If LBJ wasn’t able to talk/discuss/plan WITH Russ, any other trade would have been better

Is Lue a definite upgrade from Vogel, no (IMHO)

Question would have been, if Lue couldn’t motivate the team, Jeanie would be stuck paying Lue for 2-3 years after he left the Lakers since rumors have that he was asking for more years and money than Vogel

Caruso was an unfortunate money decision

Seems like LBJ, Magic, Kurt, Linda, AD then Rob are the people that have immediate impact on any trades
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 12:42 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Larry Ellison is out there, he’s been trying to buy a team for years.


Buss family not selling
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 3:31 pm    Post subject:

emplay wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Larry Ellison is out there, he’s been trying to buy a team for years.


Buss family not selling


Tongue in cheek, it seems like the league has done everything they could to keep Ellison out.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 3:34 pm    Post subject:

Nets, Clippers and Lakers are NOT the super teams 2008 Celtics and 2010-2014 Heat were. the stars on those two squads were healthy, relatively young, never miss any games, no drama. can't say the same about the current "super teams".
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 3:42 pm    Post subject:

I think a auperteam is 3 franchise players teaming up, OR 2 franchise players and a number of allstars. I think this Lakers team in theory was, but the fit was terrible. Nets were until Harden left, and Clippers i think qualify borderline. They have a big2, and probably the best and deepest supporting cast
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 8:23 pm    Post subject:

A team with Westbrook is not a "superteam."
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 8:26 pm    Post subject:

The warriors are not a super team anymore???? The team with by far the highest payroll+tax, 3 stars from their championship run, blossoming Jordan Poole.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 8:27 pm    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
Nets, Clippers and Lakers are NOT the super teams 2008 Celtics and 2010-2014 Heat were. the stars on those two squads were healthy, relatively young, never miss any games, no drama. can't say the same about the current "super teams".

The real super teams were the KD warriors, that wasn’t fair
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 8:30 pm    Post subject:

Give me Superstars, this is a fad that will pass!
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LakerLanny wrote:
Give me Superstars, this is a fad that will pass!


People said this when LeBron did it in 2010. It's 2022, it's still happening.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2022 8:20 am    Post subject:

when klay went down along with steph at times... i was like FINALLY i don't have to listen to gloating warrior bandwagoners anymore. NO, i was not happy that klay and steph were injured, but i live in the bay area. i can not stand their fan base... which are usually recent additions.

BUT, like any savvy bay area business, this might have all been calculated. no, not the injuries, but how to maneuver through the mire. basically, they made lemonade out of lemons. they pivoted to getting the most out of the situation via draft capital. they reloaded in the down years with high draft prospects.

BASTARDS!

hell, if kobe didn't blow out his achilles... the smart play night have been to rest him (and Pau) a lot and tank it for a few years, reload with the likes of Dlo, Randle, BI. (maybe Tatum - we wouldn't have drafted Zo with Kobe still on the team - he wouldn't hear of it).. then HIT THE GAS in 2-3 years!

NOW THAT WAS "THE PLAY"! GAH!

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The warriors are not a super team anymore???? The team with by far the highest payroll+tax, 3 stars from their championship run, blossoming Jordan Poole.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2022 8:33 am    Post subject:

Superteams failed this year because there were no superteams!!!

Everyone just looks at names without looking at age or what these players are in 2022.
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Cuz now u can find players like Poole or Bane in the late 1st rounds and literally get the same production that third stars give you. To add insult to injury, they weren't lottery selections, which just shows the level of talent that is out there. Don't even get me started on Herb Jones, a guy who should be making the all-NBA defensive team as a rookie. Teams really need, at most, 2 solid stars but might be able to get away with 1 if they have a lot depth and 3 and D wings (see Mavs). Another reason "Superteams" don't thrive today because the 3pt shot is the biggest equalizer. Look at what the Nuggets did to the Clippers in the bubble. Kawhi and PG13 got Jamal Murray'd.
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Cuz now u can find players like Poole or Bane in the late 1st rounds and literally get the same production that third stars give you. To add insult to injury, they weren't lottery selections, which just shows the level of talent that is out there. Don't even get me started on Herb Jones, a guy who should be making the all-NBA defensive team as a rookie. Teams really need, at most, 2 solid stars but might be able to get away with 1 if they have a lot depth and 3 and D wings (see Mavs). Another reason "Superteams" don't thrive today because the 3pt shot is the biggest equalizer. Look at what the Nuggets did to the Clippers in the bubble. Kawhi and PG13 got Jamal Murray'd.

player leadership is what helps these guys develop. We have none.
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Cuz now u can find players like Poole or Bane in the late 1st rounds and literally get the same production that third stars give you. To add insult to injury, they weren't lottery selections, which just shows the level of talent that is out there. Don't even get me started on Herb Jones, a guy who should be making the all-NBA defensive team as a rookie. Teams really need, at most, 2 solid stars but might be able to get away with 1 if they have a lot depth and 3 and D wings (see Mavs). Another reason "Superteams" don't thrive today because the 3pt shot is the biggest equalizer. Look at what the Nuggets did to the Clippers in the bubble. Kawhi and PG13 got Jamal Murray'd.


But these are the exceptions, not the rule. Most players in that range don't pan out at that level.

But, the Lakers did draft very well late in the 1st and in the 2nd. So that's a loss.
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Halflife wrote:
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Cuz now u can find players like Poole or Bane in the late 1st rounds and literally get the same production that third stars give you. To add insult to injury, they weren't lottery selections, which just shows the level of talent that is out there. Don't even get me started on Herb Jones, a guy who should be making the all-NBA defensive team as a rookie. Teams really need, at most, 2 solid stars but might be able to get away with 1 if they have a lot depth and 3 and D wings (see Mavs). Another reason "Superteams" don't thrive today because the 3pt shot is the biggest equalizer. Look at what the Nuggets did to the Clippers in the bubble. Kawhi and PG13 got Jamal Murray'd.

player leadership is what helps these guys develop. We have none.


Player leadership? It's more that players in the later 1st round tend to be older draft picks, and are more ready to contribute rather than 19 year old top draft picks. How does leadership come into being more experienced, and physically ready to contribute?
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2022 9:45 am    Post subject:

Hard to lead anyone when your first move is to trade them away.

Seriously... if LBJ just had patience this team would be so much better off.

Most thought he only had one great year left in him four years ago.

Instead he had four.

Had we known that... we could have waited a year or two to either get AD for free or sign another elite agent.

We had the players but what we needed mostly was patience.

Memphis and Dallas didn't develop Ja or Luka. If you give good players a chance... they will eventually flourish.

I'm not saying anyone we had were on their level either... I'm saying we had good players and we were great at drafting... but none of that matters if your star player insists on trading everyone away.

LeBron thinks he's Les Snead... when he would have just traded away Cooper Kupp for Antonio Brown or DeSean Jackson
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2022 9:46 am    Post subject:

I think guys like Caruso, even Reaves, are self-motivated. Are we going to credit LBJ/AD for that or is that inconvenient?
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