Andre Drummond vs 07-08 Andrew Bynum
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:04 pm    Post subject: Andre Drummond vs 07-08 Andrew Bynum

Better player? Haven’t been this excited by a Lakers center since the 07-08 version of Bynum. Even 12-13 Dwight,
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:26 pm    Post subject:

Too bad we're only going to have him for 16 or so games and then however long our playoff run is . . .
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:44 pm    Post subject:

Healthy? Bynum.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:47 pm    Post subject:

dfchang813 wrote:
Too bad we're only going to have him for 16 or so games and then however long our playoff run is . . .


Is there any way we can keep him?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:55 pm    Post subject:

Bynum was beasting during his short prime. He was bigger and had more post moves than Drummond
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:16 pm    Post subject:

Drew would only be 33 if he were still playing...hard to believe he's been out of the league for so long already.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:22 pm    Post subject:

Bynum easily.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:40 pm    Post subject:

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Bynum was beasting during his short prime. He was bigger and had more post moves than Drummond


What constitutes Bynum’s prime? The 33 games he played in 07-08 as an athletic center who could run the floor, or his 18.7 and 11.8 season under Mike Brown?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:45 pm    Post subject:

If Healthy, Bynum. But a how much did we ever get to see a healthy Bynum to begin with?

Look at what Embiid does to Drummond, and Bynum would probably do that to him as well. That’s not a knock on Drummond though, as Bynum ate up quite a few guys who were no slouches, defensively (Marc Gasol, Andrew Bogut, Tyson Chandler, Tim Duncan, among others).

Guy couldn’t stay healthy though and even when he got back on the court, it usually took quite a while to get back into form. He was injured so often that it wasn’t uncommon for him to get injured again before he could even start to get back into form from that previous injury that had initially sidelined him. Because of that, I don’t really blame anyone for taking a lot of players over him due to health alone.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:10 am    Post subject:

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What constitutes Bynum’s prime? The 33 games he played in 07-08 as an athletic center who could run the floor, or his 18.7 and 11.8 season under Mike Brown?

Statistically, the latter. But in actuality, the former.

From an athletic standpoint, Bynum in his prime was pre-injury and pre-Gasol. That’s the Bynum that was the What-if Unicorn.

Under Mike Brown, we had an offense that started to utilize Bynum more and using Gasol more in the high post so that Bynum could work down low. It was statistically his best year. But I look at his weaknesses from that year (problems guarding perimeter oriented players) and see those weaknesses mitigated if the pre-injury 2008 Andrew Bynum were to be put into those same situations, so therefore, 2007-08 Andrew Bynum was better.

Bigs like Bynum were on the way down. Even if he had remained healthy, the Mike Brown version of Bynum (who would’ve been a 76er and not a Laker) would’ve had trouble with the new perimeter oriented NBA that would see the rise of the GS Warriors.

2008 Bynum would’ve been able to adapt from an athletic standpoint and would still be a force in the NBA today at age 33. I don’t think I could say that about the Mike Brown version though, as injuries had severely hampered his mobility.

On another note, People like to look back and say that they remember Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol and sort of dismiss/downplay Andrew Bynum, and I sort of get that. I think he was injured so much that he never developed that sort of chemistry with that team. People thought that his style of play didn’t allow for that, but I disagree with that, and think chemistry was the main issue. If he hadn’t been injured that much, he would’ve been able to develop more with that group and would’ve gelled better with. We would’ve had the ‘chip in 2008 as well. People severely underestimate the fact that the Celtics didn’t respect Lamar Odom in the way that they did Bynum, regardless of whether or not you feel that Lamar actually contributed more than Bynum or not. Even Doc Rivers was very candid when asked about how much more of a different look we had as a team with just Bynum’s presence. I get that Trevor Ariza was not healthy and we had Vladimir Radmanovic guarding Paul Pierce, and even if someone were to argue that Kendrick Perkins would’ve done well with Bynum, the most important thing to having Andrew Bynum on the floor was that it allowed for Pau Gasol to operate and do his thing. They would’ve had to turn Leon Powe into some sort of James-Harden-Michael-Jordan-2006-Dwayne-Wade hybrid in order to beat us with a healthy Bynum.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:50 am    Post subject:

Drummond. Bynum couldn't stay on the court (injury). He was day-to-day for 7 months.

Now, in that mythical world where Bynum avoids the big injury, Drew becomes a HOF player and this question never arises.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:53 am    Post subject:

Bynum was a better physical specimen that year. Much bigger. Good hops. Good quickness for a guy his size. Drummond has quicker hands and feet, and is a better rebounder. Bynum was a better scorer. His touch was fantastic in the post.

I'm not sure who is better as they are different. But I'd lean towards pre-injury Bynum. That version (07-08) hadn't missed any time due to injuries up until that point. After his injury mid-season though the injuries were a major issue. But if we're just talking about talent, I think I'd go with that version of Bynum.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:03 am    Post subject:

Bynum was so much more talented. Had a certain finesse to his game, lots of different post moves, could grab boards and defend the rim.

Drummond is more of a beast from the physical standpoint. But his game is not polished like Bynum's, IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:26 pm    Post subject:

I don’t think Drummond is similar with Bynum, he’s closer to Capela and Steven Adams.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:23 pm    Post subject:

Prime Bynum even not at 100% was arguably the best or 2nd best center in the league.

I don't Drummond is or has ever been that.

I'll also never question his heart after he played through that Celtics series with us while in immense pain to the point he was grimacing every time he ran up the court.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:36 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
Drew would only be 33 if he were still playing...hard to believe he's been out of the league for so long already.


Even if he's not playing, Bynum's still only 33
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:44 pm    Post subject:

Their post skills are not even close. Drew was one of the best centers in the post in hole league at that time. Also he was solid rebounder and good shot blocker. His FT were also really good. If I have to choose healthy Drew or Drummond I would go with Drew every time.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:16 am    Post subject:

Bynum ! C'mon, that's no serius question. Bynum was better in every facet of the game execpt passing. Much better on offense, better rim protector.


A healthy Bynum could be compared to Embiid
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:11 am    Post subject:

Remember when Andrew was trying to make a comeback a few years ago? He looked good in footage, I guess teams don't trust those knees.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:06 am    Post subject:

Bynum would have been great, had he been able to stay healthy, then his attitude sort of sucked the last couple of years. If Bynum could have had a longer healthier career like Chris Kaman did, he might have become a HOF player.

But judging both players as a whole- Drummond already has the more successful career as a center, and imagine the disparity will only get wider, as Drummond could play another 7-10 years.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:18 am    Post subject:

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Bynum would have been great, had he been able to stay healthy, then his attitude sort of sucked the last couple of years. If Bynum could have had a longer healthier career like Chris Kaman did, he might have become a HOF player.

But judging both players as a whole- Drummond already has the more successful career as a center, and imagine the disparity will only get wider, as Drummond could play another 7-10 years.


Drummond is a four time rebounding leader and a two time all star. Bynum was only a one time all star. If Drummond wins a ring this year, he’ll have already had a better overall career than Bynum even if he retired after this season.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:55 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
waterman40 wrote:
Bynum would have been great, had he been able to stay healthy, then his attitude sort of sucked the last couple of years. If Bynum could have had a longer healthier career like Chris Kaman did, he might have become a HOF player.

But judging both players as a whole- Drummond already has the more successful career as a center, and imagine the disparity will only get wider, as Drummond could play another 7-10 years.


Drummond is a four time rebounding leader and a two time all star. Bynum was only a one time all star. If Drummond wins a ring this year, he’ll have already had a better overall career than Bynum even if he retired after this season.


...but the poll is about 07/08 Bynum and not about the career
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:21 pm    Post subject:

O7/08 Bynum would destroy any version of what we have seen of Drummond.
He was absolutely giving the business to EVERYONE (Dwight, Chandler, Jermain O'Neal, Bogut, etc) before the injury. His post game and foot work coupled with his nice touch around the rim was a sight to see. He was a power dunker and a GREAT lob catcher off of pick and roll. His fundamentals were awesome. He would catch the ball above his head, keep it there, and finish over the top. He had ELITE shot-blocking and helped many Laker fans get over the Kwame growing pains.
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XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
O7/08 Bynum would destroy any version of what we have seen of Drummond.
He was absolutely giving the business to EVERYONE (Dwight, Chandler, Jermain O'Neal, Bogut, etc) before the injury. His post game and foot work coupled with his nice touch around the rim was a sight to see. He was a power dunker and a GREAT lob catcher off of pick and roll. His fundamentals were awesome. He would catch the ball above his head, keep it there, and finish over the top. He had ELITE shot-blocking and helped many Laker fans get over the Kwame growing pains.


Would you rather have 07-08 Bynum or 11-12 Bynum?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:30 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
O7/08 Bynum would destroy any version of what we have seen of Drummond.
He was absolutely giving the business to EVERYONE (Dwight, Chandler, Jermain O'Neal, Bogut, etc) before the injury. His post game and foot work coupled with his nice touch around the rim was a sight to see. He was a power dunker and a GREAT lob catcher off of pick and roll. His fundamentals were awesome. He would catch the ball above his head, keep it there, and finish over the top. He had ELITE shot-blocking and helped many Laker fans get over the Kwame growing pains.


Would you rather have 07-08 Bynum or 11-12 Bynum?


In 2021?

07-08 Bynum, and I'd force him to focus on bending his knees ALL THE TIME while in the paint so that the injuries would have a lesser chance of happening.

In terms of skill and the work ethic he did have (especially coming back from injury and playing on what was essentially one leg by the time he was an all-star) I'd assume even right now he or Embiid would be the best centers in the league.

Bynum on one leg was doing this


So 07-08 Bynum without his athleticism being affected by those injuries and continuing to get the time to grow and develop for 3 seasons? Would've been very scary.

The kind of center Dwight kept trying to pretend he was when he came to the Lakers9and then later on with the Rockets and onward), was the kind of center Bynum already was.

Imagine if this kid got those 4-5 years of development from 07-12 without those injuries. But even with those injuries he became an all-star and still was either the best or 2nd best center in the league. It says something.
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