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| Was passing on Tatum the biggest draft blunder in the history of the Lakers? |
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Steve007
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | What about drafting Dangelo Russell over Jahlil Okafor? |
That helps show the team did very well with the picks. The team dodged a bullet by not picking Okafor. I saw lots of comments from people here thinking Okafor should have been the pick.
I was concerned the team could get unlucky and miss on more than usual with the high picks. Even Lonzo Ball has gotten better and shown he can play in the league as a starter. |
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The biggest issue with selecting ball was magic visiting the ball residence with rob alone and using what transpired there as the basis for the pick.
Under no circumstances should that happen, especially without our scouts present.
Sure you can’t predict how a draft turns out but it doesn’t excuse doing your homework properly. If the ball pick was made after deliberation by our scouts working various prospects thoroughly, then I’d be satisfied regardless of the results.
The fact Magic bypassed the scouts is another reason why he’s one of the worst executives of all time. |
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MJST
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Tatum would have been traded along with BI for Anthony Davis.
Move on.
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Steve007
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Tatum would have been traded along with BI for Anthony Davis.
Move on. |
And many of us would be even more frustrated if that happened. |
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KindCrippler2000
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| Time to change the title OP. The biggest blunder was not leveraging draft picks and young talent to construct a modern, 10 deep roster like the Celtics. Brad Stevens is lightyears ahead of anyone in the Lakers FO. Rob was supposed to be that guy, but he's just another one of Lebron's puppets. |
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | Time to change the title OP. The biggest blunder was not leveraging draft picks and young talent to construct a modern, 10 deep roster like the Celtics. Brad Stevens is lightyears ahead of anyone in the Lakers FO. Rob was supposed to be that guy, but he's just another one of Lebron's puppets. |
Brad Stevens hasn't done much.. he's still in year 1. But agree Rob isn't the guy to think that way. |
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| dabask11 wrote: | The biggest issue with selecting ball was magic visiting the ball residence with rob alone and using what transpired there as the basis for the pick.
Under no circumstances should that happen, especially without our scouts present.
Sure you can’t predict how a draft turns out but it doesn’t excuse doing your homework properly. If the ball pick was made after deliberation by our scouts working various prospects thoroughly, then I’d be satisfied regardless of the results.
The fact Magic bypassed the scouts is another reason why he’s one of the worst executives of all time. |
I’m glad to see someone else mention this, from what I remember Lonzo bombed his workout in front of the Laker scouts.
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| MJST wrote: | Tatum would have been traded along with BI for Anthony Davis.
Move on. |
And now Tatum is leading a team to the ECFs and AD is in Cancun. Those are the inexperienced people making decisions for the team I have followed for over 45 years. They make it easy to watch and admire other teams.
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I don't know about of all time, but in recent history I would say yes.
Since I was on the Lonzo Train too at the time, I can't in good conscience complain too much about the choice.
But yes, Tatum is a far better NBA talent than Lonzo Ball here in hindsight.
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Was passing on Jayson Tatum the biggest draft blunder in the history of the franchise? |
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| RashardA wrote: | A pretty straight forward question.
That one miscalculation cost the Lakers a true franchise player.
Not only a true franchise player but one who is a disciple of the greatest Laker to ever wear the uniform, Kobe Bryant.
The way it would have been a seamless transition is scary.
And to those who will respond with the "well he would have been traded for AD anyway so what does it matter?"
That just further solidifies how GOD awful the Magic/Rob front office has been when it comes to evaluating talent.
If this regime would have traded both BI and Tatum for a brittle Anthony Davis, they should never again in life be allowed near any team's front office. |
Boston had the #1 pick and identified Tatum as the #1 player. The Lakers had no chance. Boston traded down only because they knew LA had no interest in him. Magic and Pelinka showed their cards to rivals. Mistakes by rookie executives.
The title itself is a false question. |
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la4win
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| A pretty straight forward answer, YES. Thanks Magic |
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| Can this thread be moved to off topic??? Can’t stand see a Celt in the LAKER lounge….. |
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Imagine how Suns fans feel. They could've drafted Luka. |
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| Laker_Jocker wrote: | | Can this thread be moved to off topic??? Can’t stand see a Celt in the LAKER lounge….. |
I feel the same every time I see this thread.. We get it, Tatum was a great pick but it kind of feels disgusting seeing people praise a Celtic while they are making a deep Playoff run and we're not even remotely in the mix. |
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| hype wrote: | | Laker_Jocker wrote: | | Can this thread be moved to off topic??? Can’t stand see a Celt in the LAKER lounge….. |
I feel the same every time I see this thread.. We get it, Tatum was a great pick but it kind of feels disgusting seeing people praise a Celtic while they are making a deep Playoff run and we're not even remotely in the mix. |
It’s why people hate Laker fans.. player X gets hot or has a good season and some Laker fan goes around, with no rational or logical reason, thinking it’s somehow the Lakers divine right to have that player one day. |
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You can say this about any draft.
How many teams passed on Jokic?
How many overlooked Giannis?
Lakers could have either drafted (Jokic) or traded up for Giannis (non-lottery, 15th pick) too.
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I'm pretty happy with how it worked out.
I mean I was always very high on Jayson Tatum and trusted Ainge's decision but the majority of Lakers fans fell hard into the Lonzo Ball hype brought on by his dad Levar Ball.
Lonzo Ball is going to be better than Michael Jordan?? 
Come on now...really??
On the other hand, Kobe Bryant himself spent time with Jayson Tatum a few summers ago and praised him but even that was not enough to impress Lakers fans at the time. We don't need Tatum he's overrated. Sorry but you are really fickle fans.
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I kinda made a what-if scenario if that deleted tweet from Embiid “I’m a Laker” in his draft came true.
2015 draft:
- still draft DLO
2016 draft:
- still draft Ingram
2017 draft:
- Lakers draft Tatum
LeBron still comes after 2018 season.
De’Angelo Russell
Jayson Tatum
Brandon Ingram
LeBron James
Joel Embiid
We would probably be on our way to a 3 peat right now.
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| Megaton wrote: | I kinda made a what-if scenario if that deleted tweet from Embiid “I’m a Laker” in his draft came true.
2015 draft:
- still draft DLO
2016 draft:
- still draft Ingram
2017 draft:
- Lakers draft Tatum
LeBron still comes after 2018 season.
De’Angelo Russell
Jayson Tatum
Brandon Ingram
LeBron James
Joel Embiid
We would probably be on our way to a 3 peat right now. |
What would their contracts look like?
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | Jokic was available. |
True....THAT was a huge miss.....but so was Manu Ginobili. I think u can only compare with those players that were heavily considered at that spot at that point in time. |
Did you watch Jokic back then?
Considering the development team of the Lakers back then, I disagree it was a miss.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | You can say this about any draft.
How many teams passed on Jokic?
How many overlooked Giannis?
Lakers could have either drafted (Jokic) or traded up for Giannis (non-lottery, 15th pick) too. |
You might blow people's minds if you actually say, "even if LAL drafted them, they wouldn't have turned out into the players they currently are"
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It was SOOOOO obvious back then to take De'Aaron Fox and Jayson Tatum over Lonzo.
Fox destroyed Lonzo in the NCAA tourney, I was so disappointed when they picked Lonzo over him.
But in the end, it does not matter, as they likely would have traded Tatum in a package for Anthony Day to Davis or Westbrook. |
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| epic_ wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | I kinda made a what-if scenario if that deleted tweet from Embiid “I’m a Laker” in his draft came true.
2015 draft:
- still draft DLO
2016 draft:
- still draft Ingram
2017 draft:
- Lakers draft Tatum
LeBron still comes after 2018 season.
De’Angelo Russell
Jayson Tatum
Brandon Ingram
LeBron James
Joel Embiid
We would probably be on our way to a 3 peat right now. |
What would their contracts look like? |
In this timeline, the only one with the extension before Lebron comes is Embiid, the rest are on rookie contracts still. As for contracts? Probably near rookie maxes for all when their extensions come in.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | You can say this about any draft.
How many teams passed on Jokic?
How many overlooked Giannis?
Lakers could have either drafted (Jokic) or traded up for Giannis (non-lottery, 15th pick) too. |
You might blow people's minds if you actually say, "even if LAL drafted them, they wouldn't have turned out into the players they currently are" |
I was gonna say, there is no way either of those two players develop the way they did on this team always needing to be competitive every year. That and brain dead coaching trying to develop them like Byron Scott and Luke Walton.
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| MJST wrote: | Tatum would have been traded along with BI for Anthony Davis.
Move on. |
If Tatum is a superior player compare to Lonzo, the Lakers could’ve saved a lot of assets. Keeping BI or Number 4 pick (maybe less FRP). BI at the time of the trade was a lessor player coming off an injury laden season with blood clot concerns. |
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