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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:52 pm    Post subject: what's the ceiling for Stanley Johnson

Whats the ceiling for SJ this season? Do you think he can shoot league avg from 3 point this season?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:54 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:02 pm    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
Ron Artest


Thats some high praise right there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:07 pm    Post subject:

https://youtu.be/SytS2w_kC-4

yea he does look elite defensively
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:10 pm    Post subject:

If you look at Stanley's build, he's got a strong base like Artest. Similar height around 6'6" - 6'7" and a big wingspan of 7 ft.

This helps him defend bigger players. When Artest was younger, he was quick and super strong. Older Ron just looked heavy and stiff.

Anyways, if Stanley is half the player Ron was at his peak, we got a nice steal.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:16 pm    Post subject:

I doubt Artest. First Artest arguably top 5 perimeter defender all time. Stanley isn’t in that stratosphere.

Second, Artest was a much better offensive player.

I want to say maybe a poor man’s Julius. Stan has some underrated handles for sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:19 pm    Post subject:

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I doubt Artest. First Artest arguably top 5 perimeter defender all time. Stanley isn’t in that stratosphere.

Second, Artest was a much better offensive player.

I want to say maybe a poor man’s Julius. Stan has some underrated handles for sure.


he's way better than JULES ON defense BRO
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I doubt Artest. First Artest arguably top 5 perimeter defender all time. Stanley isn’t in that stratosphere.

Second, Artest was a much better offensive player.

I want to say maybe a poor man’s Julius. Stan has some underrated handles for sure.


he's way better than JULES ON defense BRO


Right. But Jules has a lot on him on offense. Just the archetype. Big physical guy who can handle.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:42 pm    Post subject:

Stanley Johnson should be the 4th or 5th on the wing depth chart.

It shows just how crap the roster was that he was the 2nd wing last season and 1st when LBJ and AD were both out.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:49 pm    Post subject:

What ever happened to Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:00 pm    Post subject:

I'd be really happy with him if he just becomes an above-average 3-point shooter and defender. He can do that if he really works on his J.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:37 pm    Post subject:

Stanley Johnson isn't young by NBA standards. The odds are that he's at his ceiling right now. If you look at his stats on a per 36 minute or per 100 possession basis, he really hasn't changed much since he was a rookie. I'll never say that a player can't get better, but there aren't any signs that he'll ever even reach replacement level.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:49 pm    Post subject:

Better than Brown but not better than Lakers Tatum.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:54 pm    Post subject:

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Stanley Johnson should be the 4th or 5th on the wing depth chart.

It shows just how crap the roster was that he was the 2nd wing last season and 1st when LBJ and AD were both out.


Agree. If he's above 4th, we're in trouble.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:00 pm    Post subject:

he's at his ceiling right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:03 pm    Post subject:

If he develops a 3 ball? Regular rotation player on a playoff team. Otherwise he's near the end of the bench and mostly situational.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:49 pm    Post subject:

He’s 26 years old and has never shot above 33% in 7 seasons. He shoots a flat ball and has inconsistent mechanics. Highly unlikely that he’ll jump to league average 35-36%. Hope I’m wrong though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:32 pm    Post subject:

I've followed Stanley for a long time (generations of Mater Dei grads in my family), and I don't see stardom for the young man, but he was RAW in high school and has worked on his game. He developed his off hand, he used to put his head down and drive right into the lane without regard. At MD it was cool, because he could jump over people. He started to really work on his lateral attacking, and it translated at AZ.

He never had great handles, but they got much better. He's a smart kid with an NBA body. Nothing is promised in this world, but with a decent work ethic and the BBIQ already there, I can see a defensive minded role player that's maybe the 7th guy off the bench.

Anyone saying he hasn't developed though, is being dishonest, or hasn't really watch his development closely. Shot is streaky, but he puts in the work. Kid has a lion's heart!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:40 am    Post subject:

4th in wing depth is a bit harsh. I see his ceiling as the first wing off the bench or starter on a team that's heavy on other positions and lacking in wing depth.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:51 am    Post subject:

I think he'll have to improve his 3pt percentage if he wants to stay on the floor. However, his calling card will always be defense. He has that Ron Artest frame and size, but needs to work on developing the same instincts Artest had. Artest was a dog on defense and would have won multiple DPOYs if not for the brawl. I think Artest was well on his way to the HOF before the brawl derailed his career, so the comparison might be too much.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:02 am    Post subject:

Some are completely underrating him. 4th wing? Only thing that’s keeping him from being first wing is 3% on his 3pt average. He’s an elite defender who now has handle. And he’s a capable passer.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:06 am    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
Some are completely underrating him. 4th wing? Only thing that’s keeping him from being first wing is 3% on his 3pt average. He’s an elite defender who now has handle. And he’s a capable passer.


Let's not get carried away. You don't remain a 10 day deal player if you are truly an "elite defender." Jrue Holiday? Giannis? Smart? Elite defenders.

I would Stanley probably checks out at average level defender who has some versatility playing small ball PF and can check wings.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:52 am    Post subject:

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Some are completely underrating him. 4th wing? Only thing that’s keeping him from being first wing is 3% on his 3pt average. He’s an elite defender who now has handle. And he’s a capable passer.


Let's not get carried away. You don't remain a 10 day deal player if you are truly an "elite defender." Jrue Holiday? Giannis? Smart? Elite defenders.

I would Stanley probably checks out at average level defender who has some versatility playing small ball PF and can check wings.


That's how he grades out on the metrics. Against the backdrop of our poor defense, he looked a lot better than he really is.

As an aside, it's becoming a cliche to say that Player X just needs to improve his three point shooting. This is true of about 80% of the scrub players in the league. If your three point shooting goes from 30% to 38%, and you can do a few other things at an NBA level, then you just might not be a scrub any more. It's not like this is some sort of mystery.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:59 am    Post subject:

Get to starter level, drop decent open jumpers, maybe Grayson Allen like without the dirty moves
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:00 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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Some are completely underrating him. 4th wing? Only thing that’s keeping him from being first wing is 3% on his 3pt average. He’s an elite defender who now has handle. And he’s a capable passer.


Let's not get carried away. You don't remain a 10 day deal player if you are truly an "elite defender." Jrue Holiday? Giannis? Smart? Elite defenders.

I would Stanley probably checks out at average level defender who has some versatility playing small ball PF and can check wings.


Nah bruh apply that logic to drafts just because 3 teams don’t see your worth doesn’t mean it isn’t there. He passes the eye test and the statistics test. He’s an elite defender.
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