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| Megaton wrote: | Lebron not taking even a slight paycut at his old age is gonna kill any chance this team can add depth.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the Tim Duncan/Dirk mentality. |
If a high revenue team like the Lakers needs a superstar to take a pay cut in order to have roster depth, that is not the fault of the superstar. I really do understand your point, though. But it would take more than a slight pay cut -- it would take a cut of tens of millions of dollars to make a meaningful difference.
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| ahaider wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | | Cutting Matt Ryan because of Miles Bridges? |
Cutting Matt Ryan so Jeanie can pocket 61K per day instead of paying that to a guy who doesn’t play. |
Fans hit the half court shot two days in a row.
so lakers need cash lol |
Lol the Lakers actually don't pay for that at all. That sponsorship is through BetMGM.
BetMGM showcases the 25K or 75K payout and pays an insurance company (not sure which one exactly but there are only a couple that do this) to run the contest. So MGM will pay let's say 15K per season to run this contest and the insurance companies underwrites will calculate the risk and ultimately be responsible for the payout)
Long story short - the Lakers don't pay for any of that. |
Aah thanks for the info haha.
That puts and end to my conspiracy thoughts |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | Lebron not taking even a slight paycut at his old age is gonna kill any chance this team can add depth.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the Tim Duncan/Dirk mentality. |
If a high revenue team like the Lakers needs a superstar to take a pay cut in order to have roster depth, that is not the fault of the superstar. I really do understand your point, though. But it would take more than a slight pay cut -- it would take a cut of tens of millions of dollars to make a meaningful difference. |
Bron don't need to take a paycut, the problem is FO is not acquiring/keeping bird rights that would've let them circumvent the cap restriction more |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | A potential can of worms gets opened:
| Quote: | The NBA has once again expanded the group of potential investors allowed to take stakes in its franchises, a league source confirmed to The Athletic on Thursday. Most notably, sovereign wealth funds can now buy a share of an NBA team. Sportico was the first to report the news. Here’s what you need to know:
-The league passed this expansion of potential institutional investors during a recent vote by NBA owners.
-The NBA was the first U.S. league to allow private equity funds to take stakes in its teams and now it will allow even more institutional investors to assume passive investment.
-Along with sovereign wealth funds, pension funds and university endowments will now be allowed to buy shares in NBA teams.
-The NBA retains the ability to deny any interested investor and will scrutinize any fund before it decides whether to allow them to buy into an NBA team. |
| Quote: | While pension funds or university endowments should allow the NBA to bring in relatively quiet investors, the league risks controversy if it allows a sovereign wealth fund into its group of owners.
While sovereign wealth funds can maintain enormous riches — some are valued in the hundreds of billions of dollars — they bring great risk for their partners. Some, like ones associated with autocratic countries, have been alleged to be used to whitewash their countries’ reputations internationally through investments. |
https://theathletic.com/3957707/2022/12/01/nba-sovereign-wealth-funds-ownership/ |
So the Saudis are about to buy 15% of the Buss Trust? |
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I get the notion that it's not up to the player to take below their market value to help a team field a competitive roster. It was the owners that implemented the highly punitive luxury tax system. The LeBron case, like Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, and many more before them begs an interesting question about team competitiveness when the player's brand value becomes bigger than their on court value.
It's probably fair to say that LeBron isn't worth $50 million per year in seasons 21 and 22 in a cap system league. But combine his play and brand value, and he is definitely worth it. The Lakers make money off of having him on the team at that price, so why shouldn't he be compensated as such? But at the same time, to make money at that price the team is going to have financial constraints that make fielding a competitive roster difficult. You could have big money owners willing to lose money in the short run. But if you're running the team to operate at a profit, you're going to avoid a $100 million to $200 million tax bill. So if LeBron wants to get what he's worth, he's agreeing to either be on a less competitive team, or ask the team to lose money.
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| Megaton wrote: | Lebron not taking even a slight paycut at his old age is gonna kill any chance this team can add depth.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the Tim Duncan/Dirk mentality. |
And he shouldn’t. He’s the reason the Lakers are relevant. He should take as much money from our incompetent trust fund owner as he can. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | Lebron not taking even a slight paycut at his old age is gonna kill any chance this team can add depth.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the Tim Duncan/Dirk mentality. |
And he shouldn’t. He’s the reason the Lakers are relevant. He should take as much money from our incompetent trust fund owner as he can. |
Can’t get mad at any player accepting whatever contract is offered….that’s on the front office for offering |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | Lebron not taking even a slight paycut at his old age is gonna kill any chance this team can add depth.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the Tim Duncan/Dirk mentality. |
And he shouldn’t. He’s the reason the Lakers are relevant. He should take as much money from our incompetent trust fund owner as he can. |
biggest fanbase. He doesn't play, we lose a ton. No one is talking about KAJ, they will, but Crypto has open seats right now.
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It’s the lack of our FO’s imagination or even them staying the course on their own narrative that irks me.
You champion flexibility next summer, then why not come all the way correct on that front…instead, it’s all a front with them inking Bron to a max extension and having that amount cut into any max cap space we were able to flex with next summer. Wtf is you doing up there?
Bron did not need an extension to beat Kap’s record this season. He would have and most likely will bear that record as a Laker.
Then come next summer, if a max guy intends to either sign or attempt to get traded onto our books, we have the means to do it with just AD, RFA Reaves caphold, MaxC rookie min and potentially Damien’s vet min deals really impacting the books. Use cap, trade tge rights to our 2023 1st (post NO swap), either a combo of our 27/29 or 28/30 FRPs to either trade for a max dude or use them as assets later after free agency has us ink our targets.
Meanwhile Bron lays in the cuts and does what Harden did this past summer. He allows us to flex our cap space to field him a unit, and then we turn to him to take whatever cap remains. On a cheaper deal, he probably exposes himself to being a trade chip, but if he waited till next summer to ink a new deal, he can then command a true NTC where he controls where he gets rerouted if it ever came to that.
From Kob’s extension to Bron’s, we seem to never learn.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | I get the notion that it's not up to the player to take below their market value to help a team field a competitive roster. It was the owners that implemented the highly punitive luxury tax system. The LeBron case, like Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, and many more before them begs an interesting question about team competitiveness when the player's brand value becomes bigger than their on court value.
It's probably fair to say that LeBron isn't worth $50 million per year in seasons 21 and 22 in a cap system league. But combine his play and brand value, and he is definitely worth it. The Lakers make money off of having him on the team at that price, so why shouldn't he be compensated as such? But at the same time, to make money at that price the team is going to have financial constraints that make fielding a competitive roster difficult. You could have big money owners willing to lose money in the short run. But if you're running the team to operate at a profit, you're going to avoid a $100 million to $200 million tax bill. So if LeBron wants to get what he's worth, he's agreeing to either be on a less competitive team, or ask the team to lose money. |
I know of only three cases in NBA history of stars who willingly took a lot less money to build more competitive teams. Dirk and Duncan. Harden recently declined a $47 million option and signed a two-year deal for $69 million to give his team more cap room. That's it.
Kobe, for example, took less money in his last contract than he did in his prior contract. But I think that was all the Lakers offered, so he didn't willingly give up money.
Bosh, Wade, and Lebron gave up a little to play together. There might be a few other examples, but not many. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | So the Saudis are about to buy 15% of the Buss Trust? |
I doubt it. However, none of this really surprises me. When you start talking about sports franchises selling for $3B or more, there is a limited group of buyers. Oh, sure, there are a lot of mega-billionaires, but you would need to find one who really wants to own a sports franchise and who is willing to invest a sum of money that is not trivial to anyone. Otherwise, you're talking about an "ownership group" that may turn out to be a headache. In Europe, the sovereign wealth funds have been active, and even the usual billionaires are looking to cash in (Liverpool, Manchester United).
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | Lebron not taking even a slight paycut at his old age is gonna kill any chance this team can add depth.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the Tim Duncan/Dirk mentality. |
If a high revenue team like the Lakers needs a superstar to take a pay cut in order to have roster depth, that is not the fault of the superstar. I really do understand your point, though. But it would take more than a slight pay cut -- it would take a cut of tens of millions of dollars to make a meaningful difference. |
Whatever revenue a team makes doesn’t mean squat in a sport with a strict salary cap. This isn’t Baseball where teams are allowed to spend whatever they want on a player.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | It’s the lack of our FO’s imagination or even them staying the course on their own narrative that irks me.
You champion flexibility next summer, then why not come all the way correct on that front…instead, it’s all a front with them inking Bron to a max extension and having that amount cut into any max cap space we were able to flex with next summer. Wtf is you doing up there?
Bron did not need an extension to beat Kap’s record this season. He would have and most likely will bear that record as a Laker.
Then come next summer, if a max guy intends to either sign or attempt to get traded onto our books, we have the means to do it with just AD, RFA Reaves caphold, MaxC rookie min and potentially Damien’s vet min deals really impacting the books. Use cap, trade tge rights to our 2023 1st (post NO swap), either a combo of our 27/29 or 28/30 FRPs to either trade for a max dude or use them as assets later after free agency has us ink our targets.
Meanwhile Bron lays in the cuts and does what Harden did this past summer. He allows us to flex our cap space to field him a unit, and then we turn to him to take whatever cap remains. On a cheaper deal, he probably exposes himself to being a trade chip, but if he waited till next summer to ink a new deal, he can then command a true NTC where he controls where he gets rerouted if it ever came to that.
From Kob’s extension to Bron’s, we seem to never learn. |
I think the Lakers were also hesitant to make any other deals without a commitment from Lebron. (Even though they haven't made any deals!) For example, the Lakers probably wouldn't have considered deals like Hield-Turner without knowing Lebron was aboard. They didn't want to invest resources in guys on that level if there was a chance that Lebron would bolt next season.
Lebron, for his part, wants to build a business empire that will last long after his playing career ends, so every little $50 million helps. |
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Career over for Ball? 
My boy never really to chance to reach his potential. |
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| Who would you rather bring back this season in a trade if you had the chance Alex Caruso or Josh Hart? |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Who would you rather bring back this season in a trade if you had the chance Alex Caruso or Josh Hart? |
In a vacuum, probably Caruso because he shoots better. In reality, neither addresses our primary needs at this point, so I wouldn’t spend our few assets to trade for either of them. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | Lebron not taking even a slight paycut at his old age is gonna kill any chance this team can add depth.
Unfortunately he doesn't have the Tim Duncan/Dirk mentality. |
And he shouldn’t. He’s the reason the Lakers are relevant. He should take as much money from our incompetent trust fund owner as he can. |
Can’t get mad at any player accepting whatever contract is offered….that’s on the front office for offering |
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | Quote: | Legion Hoops
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REPORT: Lonzo Ball isn’t “anywhere close” to returning, per
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Career over for Ball?
My boy never really to chance to reach his potential. |
Wasnt there a meme about Lonzo being a little young to need knee sleeves before we drafted him? Looks like that was good analysis. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Who would you rather bring back this season in a trade if you had the chance Alex Caruso or Josh Hart? |
In a vacuum, probably Caruso because he shoots better. In reality, neither addresses our primary needs at this point, so I wouldn’t spend our few assets to trade for either of them. |
Kuzma checks the box |
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| Quote: | The Lakers are weighing three different paths for a potential trade, per
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“Path 1 is to trade Russell Westbrook…Path 2 is to trade some combination of Patrick Beverley, Kendrick Nunn and picks…Path 3 would be two separate deals” |
go with option 3 |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | A potential can of worms gets opened:
| Quote: | The NBA has once again expanded the group of potential investors allowed to take stakes in its franchises, a league source confirmed to The Athletic on Thursday. Most notably, sovereign wealth funds can now buy a share of an NBA team. Sportico was the first to report the news. Here’s what you need to know:
-The league passed this expansion of potential institutional investors during a recent vote by NBA owners.
-The NBA was the first U.S. league to allow private equity funds to take stakes in its teams and now it will allow even more institutional investors to assume passive investment.
-Along with sovereign wealth funds, pension funds and university endowments will now be allowed to buy shares in NBA teams.
-The NBA retains the ability to deny any interested investor and will scrutinize any fund before it decides whether to allow them to buy into an NBA team. |
| Quote: | While pension funds or university endowments should allow the NBA to bring in relatively quiet investors, the league risks controversy if it allows a sovereign wealth fund into its group of owners.
While sovereign wealth funds can maintain enormous riches — some are valued in the hundreds of billions of dollars — they bring great risk for their partners. Some, like ones associated with autocratic countries, have been alleged to be used to whitewash their countries’ reputations internationally through investments. |
https://theathletic.com/3957707/2022/12/01/nba-sovereign-wealth-funds-ownership/ |
So the Saudis are about to buy 15% of the Buss Trust? |
I think the biggest surprise is "university endowments". Hell Stanford has like $30+ BILLION in its endowment. With all the money these colleges are set to go bye bye with NCAA changes why wouldn't they just throw some money into a NBA team to make up for that money?
San Francisco Stanford Warriors HAHAHA
Hmm USC has $8 billion while UCLA has close to $5 Billion.
I see Colleges making a move! |
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What is the "Most realistic" trade package available for Nunn, Beverley, 2 FRP's?
Who is the best player that is most realistic for this trade?
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lakersfever714
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Asking Lebron to take a paycut in order to have more capspace is kinda cheating.
Imagine if other teams could do the same. Then it would just be like whoever could convince their players to play for less would come out ahead.
Stop asking for paycut in order to circumvent the salary cap. Use what you have. If you don't think Lebron is worth his salary, then don't sign him. Obviously, Rob and Jeanie think Lebron is well worth the investment so that's why they invested in him. |
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | Quote: | Legion Hoops
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REPORT: Lonzo Ball isn’t “anywhere close” to returning, per
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Career over for Ball?
My boy never really to chance to reach his potential. |
From what I remember back when he was a Laker, he and his stupid moron Dad had their own specialists that were advising. That was then. I could be very wrong but I bet he waiting to have the right treatment, then surgery, etc. I just feel Lonzo holds off on getting the right work done to his knees and settles from crap treatment. Better to go to the best in the business and get it done right...
I could be wrong but that is what I recall but not sure that is the case now. |
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