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Intlakeshow
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:27 pm Post subject:

The difference between Myles Turner and all the other centers you guys keep bringing up is that he’s actually available lol. I like Brook Lopes and Valenciunas also but you can’t buy something that’s not for sale. Also, in the off-season the Pacers had the advantage of Turner not playing on their side. Meaning they could ask for a crazy return because there was no risk of their asset getting injured. Now they can’t be as patient because if Turner comes down with his yearly injury, they loose him for nothing.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:29 pm Post subject:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

The bigger question on Myles Turner is will the Lakers commit to this type of deal?

Turner will be an unrestricted free agent and here’s the max he could get from another team:

2023-24: $40,200,000
2024-25: $42,210,000
2025-26: $44,220,000
2026-27: $46,230,000
Total: four years, $172,860,000

https://www.spotrac.com/research/NBA/next-contract-series-myles-turner-1672/

Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:30 pm Post subject:

Intlakeshow wrote:

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Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

Stop what? That's what he's eligible for. Why don't you read the article.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:33 pm Post subject:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

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Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

Stop what? That's what he's eligible for. Why don't you read the article.

It doesn’t matter what he’s eligible for if nobody is going to offer him that, do you really not understand this concept?

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:34 pm Post subject:

Intlakeshow wrote:

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Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

He will probably get half of that but as the article said, that is the max he can receive.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:35 pm Post subject:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

Stop what? That's what he's eligible for. Why don't you read the article.

It doesn’t matter what he’s eligible for if nobody is going to offer him that, do you really not understand this concept?

I'm pretty sure he's getting $120-130 million which will likely work out to $30 million + per

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:36 pm Post subject:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

Stop what? That's what he's eligible for. Why don't you read the article.

It doesn’t matter what he’s eligible for if nobody is going to offer him that, do you really not understand this concept?

I'm pretty sure he's getting $120-130 million which will likely work out to $30 million + per

I respectfully disagree, most projections have him around 20/year.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:37 pm Post subject:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

Stop what? That's what he's eligible for. Why don't you read the article.

It doesn’t matter what he’s eligible for if nobody is going to offer him that, do you really not understand this concept?

I'm pretty sure he's getting $120-130 million which will likely work out to $30 million + per

I respectfully disagree, most projections have him around 20/year.

Please share the source you are referencing, should fire his agent if that's what he will be getting.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:44 pm Post subject:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

Stop what? That's what he's eligible for. Why don't you read the article.

It doesn’t matter what he’s eligible for if nobody is going to offer him that, do you really not understand this concept?

I'm pretty sure he's getting $120-130 million which will likely work out to $30 million + per

I respectfully disagree, most projections have him around 20/year.

Please share the source you are referencing, should fire his agent if that's what he will be getting.

Turner is not the type of big you can build a team around ala Jokic or Embid, he’s more of a complementary piece to a legit superstar player. Then there’s his inability to stay on the floor because of injuries. All of these things equal him not getting anywhere near the max.

https://nbaanalysis.net/2022/10/03/nba-trade-rumors-indiana-pacers-myles-turner-salary-projections-news/

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:52 pm Post subject:

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Nah...it's not 2 unprotected picks for Turner...just 1.

Which is still too much for an expiring Center that gets (bleep) on by the likes of Zubac.

I would rather have someone Jonas Valančiūnas, Brook Lopez, etc over Turner any day of the week.

I understand we disagree and that's ok. I prefer Turner because he can play C and PF unlike Jonas and Brook. The insurance of Turner being a back-up plan for AD missing time is appealing. It's not a coincidence that we see many teams do ok when starters are out...their roster is constructed to accommodate contingencies and I want that for the Lakers.

Turner improves the team at C/PF/SF...allowing AD to spend most of his time at PF and LBJ at SF...then factor in the elite shot blocking and it might even improve perimeter defense from the PG/SG spot since those players could play tighter man defense knowing there are two shot blockers backing them up. As a bonus Turner is shooting 38% from 3pt range on approx 4 attempts.

If Turner cost $30mil I'm with ya...hard pass...but if it cost $20mil it would be worth it to me since we wouldn't have to start Bryant at C, Gabriel at PF, or TBjr at SF... they could be back-ups like they should be. Plus we wouldn't have to see Reev3s at PF or any 3/4 guard line ups so that players are placed in a position that sets them up for the best chance to succeed for the team.

To me Myles Turner is a no-brainer as the single most upgrade the Lakers can do to improve many areas of the team...and for Bev/Nunn/FRP...what could be a better option?
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:00 pm Post subject:

Tweet See new Tweets Conversation NBACentral @TheNBACentral Report: Chicago Bulls have deemed DeMar DeRozan and Zach LaVine untouchable Welp there you have it

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:00 pm Post subject:

Laker's Fan wrote:

While I agree with the premise, there is good blue chip talent this year after pick #1

That’s the standard follow up to the skeleton key. Sorry, but there is no one else in this draft who is such a sure thing that teams would give us gifts so that they can tank. Some of those players may turn out to be stars, but that’s true every year.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:32 pm Post subject:

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While I agree with the premise, there is good blue chip talent this year after pick #1. So perhaps a top four or five pick this year has great appeal. Also, with the cap spike predicted in a couple years, having a difference maker on a rookie scale is a big advantage when carving out space to build a contender. It’s the perfect window.

I don't see any evidence that teams are going to start dumping good players for cheap to increase their lottery chances. I think the Lakers fans who cling to that idea are just hoping for a knight on a white horse who isn't going to come.

I get that this thread is largely an exercise in fantasy fulfillment, but the something-for-nothing trade proposals that benefit the Lakers have really become ridiculous.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:52 pm Post subject:

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Report: Chicago Bulls have deemed DeMar DeRozan and Zach LaVine untouchable

Welp there you have it

I also care for neither of those two. So nothing of value was lost.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:53 pm Post subject:

logical24 wrote:

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Report: Chicago Bulls have deemed DeMar DeRozan and Zach LaVine untouchable

Welp there you have it

Best believe they would move DeRozan for the right deal, this is posturing for leverage. LaVine might be a different story.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:57 pm Post subject:

Intlakeshow wrote:

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Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

If the Lakers legit trade for him while giving up the last of their valuable resources for him? Then he sure can.

Turner can easily just outright demand a huge payday regardless. He can just be like “either pay me this or anywhere close to it, or I will walk and you will have lose me and all the assets you traded for me, for NOTHING”. Even if he doesn’t get a deal anywhere close to this from other teams, he can demand one from the Lakers in this scenario because the Lakers stupidly gave up resources for him.

Turner is barely worth $20 mill per in the open market, but even that will be too much because you don’t overpay for a center in this league, unless his name is Embiid or Jokic.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:05 pm Post subject:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

Stop what? That's what he's eligible for. Why don't you read the article.

It doesn’t matter what he’s eligible for if nobody is going to offer him that, do you really not understand this concept?

I'm pretty sure he's getting $120-130 million which will likely work out to $30 million + per

I respectfully disagree, most projections have him around 20/year.

That will feel like an mle level deal once the cap spike hits. We need to be getting good players under contract before that happens because it’s the only way we trade for another star for the post Lebron era. there will be no superstars hitting free agency any time soon (and probably ever now that everyone just takes the extension and assumes they can a force a trade later) so it’s pointless to keep future cap space open. Someone like Myles at 20 mil a year will become desirable contracts in the post-spike NBA and help us match salaries.

In fact, many of these guys might only do 2-year deals so they can retest the market when the cap explodes again.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:08 pm Post subject:

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I'm pretty sure he's getting $120-130 million which will likely work out to $30 million + per

It's not impossible, but that sounds high. At a minimum, he would need to play 70+ games. Even then, the metrics don't love him, and that's a big deal in the current NBA.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:10 pm Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

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I'm pretty sure he's getting $120-130 million which will likely work out to $30 million + per

It's not impossible, but that sounds high. At a minimum, he would need to play 70+ games. Even then, the metrics don't love him, and that's a big deal in the current NBA.

It’s an overpay for any Center that’s not a superstar. Let alone a non-all star one.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:11 pm Post subject:

Megaton wrote:

Intlakeshow wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

Not even Turner’s agent is projecting him to get anything near that, stop it.

It’s never in a player’s best interest to hardball the team with his bird rights. He’ll receive other offers I’m sure and then ask the Lakers to at least match or exceed it. He wants to play in LA. And it might help if you stop thinking of him as a center and more huge wing than can play the 5. He is definitely not a “traditional center.” Traditional centers don’t shoot 3s and switch on the perimeter.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:13 pm Post subject:

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That will feel like an mle level deal once the cap spike hits.

It will be interesting to see if the NBA manages to hit its target. It's been pretty quiet since the NBA tossed out the $75B number last year.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:15 pm Post subject:

After the spike, max salaries are projected to start at like 70 mil a year. How does 20 mil a year for Myles sound now? How are you trading for a guy making 70 mil a year (which is the only way we’re getting an under-35 superstar—none of them enter free agency anymore), without at least one guy making 20 mil? You’ll actually need 2 or 3.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:16 pm Post subject:

Megaton wrote:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

LakerFan1987 wrote:

I'm pretty sure he's getting $120-130 million which will likely work out to $30 million + per

It's not impossible, but that sounds high. At a minimum, he would need to play 70+ games. Even then, the metrics don't love him, and that's a big deal in the current NBA.

It’s an overpay for any Center that’s not a superstar. Let alone a non-all star one.

But overpays happen. This is a weak free agent class, so he might be able to get overpaid. I'm not betting on it, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility if he can stay healthy.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:21 pm Post subject:

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That will feel like an mle level deal once the cap spike hits.

It will be interesting to see if the NBA manages to hit its target. It's been pretty quiet since the NBA tossed out the $75B number last year.

Working in media myself, there’s been a big market cooling with streaming services all getting hit hard. They’ve basically stopped buying new tv shows, and that could portend a disinclination to enter the bidding wars for the NBA, thereby lowering the prices. Or…they could decide to pivot away from tv and go hard into sports. It’s hard to say. The projections of i were to guess come under that number, but there still so be a jump, and i think is prodent to get guys under contract now before that happens.

We’re actually very fortunate to have gotten AD to take his full max. He’ll be playing at a big discount the last two years of his deal…but when it’s time to extend…hoo boy 32-year-old AD wanting 60-70 a year and Klutch being undefeated in negotiations with Rob?

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:23 pm Post subject:

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It’s never in a player’s best interest to hardball the team with his bird rights.

It is when you have the upper hand in negotiations. It’s basic business 101.

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He’ll receive other offers I’m sure and then ask the Lakers to at least match or exceed it.

Again, you don’t understand business 101. Aside from that, His agent now is with CAA. Ask the Lakers how negotiations go with that agency.

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He wants to play in LA.

So did Paul George. So did Kawhi. So did Demar Derozen. None of that bull crap means anything and you know better than that.

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And it might help if you stop thinking of him as a center and more huge wing than can play the 5.

Hard to do that when that is his position, and someone that will be useless against some teams in the playoffs like Rudy Gobert. Whether because he will be outrun by small ball lineups, or out-bodied like against a role player like Zubac. And now not only you give up valuable resources for him, you overpay somebody that’s not even an all star level player, and is useless against some better teams.

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He is definitely not a “traditional center.” Traditional centers don’t shoot 3s and switch on the perimeter.

He can’t switch on the perimeter, and he hardly spaces on the floor. At least not as well as other centers like Brook Lopez, Jonas Val, Karl Anthony Towns, Vucevic, etc can.

Your fascination with him, just like some of the others here with their fascination with Cam Reddish, does not align with reality. And neither does the reality of Turner not asking for as much as he can from a team that gave up valuable resources for him.
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