They can make trades with Indiana without including Russell Westbrook.
Myles for Talen and Kendrick
It even creates more cap space in 2023 moving Talen's contract. However, Kevin Pritchard either asks for Anthony Davis and/or two first round picks.
What don't you get about Westbrook is not wanted on this team? Why would they try to keep someone they don't want?
Dont even bother with this guy about Westbrook. This is the same guy who actually thought Westbrook might opt out (would be absolutely retar### on Westbrook's part) and that a team like Orlando might give him the max (WHAT?????).
One of my concerns is that Jeanie appears to be determined to get out of the tax next summer and to avoid repeater status. If that's the case, it impacts this trade option. If Turner plays great and lives up to the expectations of the people who want him, then we may not be able to re-sign him while staying under the tax line unless we strip the rest of the roster. This assumes that Lebron extends, of course. It's hard to project what this would look like, because we don't know the size of Lebron's extension or even the exact number for the tax threshold next season. V+ could generate an estimate, but it would just be theoretical. There would be a lot of other contract issues, including Reaves, Nunn, Walker, Bryant, and JTA.
As of right now, the cap is projected to go up 7.6% from this year, but if it maxes out to 10% as it did for this 2022/23 season, then the salary cap will be 136m for the 2023/24 season. Let’s assume it does max out, that means the tax line kicks in at about 165.3m. So the 2023 cap plan could potentially have it where we have 100m+ in wiggle room to avoid being a repeat tax offender if our books only has AD/THT/MaxC/2023 rookies on it.
Something to consider is that those projections could change and actually be higher if on Dec 15th the league votes to opt out of the current CBA and elects to ratify a new one. In doing so, they may rewrite the cap equation in order to cap smooth for the projected 75B TV deal in 2025.
However let’s say the tax line is 165.3m next summer. If a trade were to be done for Myles/Buddy and if Bron were to receive a bear max deal, then how much could we offer Myles in a new deal without breaching the tax line? Our books are as follows:
1) AD 40.6m
2) THT 11m (player option)
3) MaxC 1.7m
4) 2023 1st lower pick swap w/NO (assuming in 20-30 range) ~3m caphold
5) 2023 LA 2nd rounder 1.1m caphold
6) 2023 Chicago 2nd rounder 1.1m caphold
7) Bron FA caphold (eligible for 35% max) 47.6m
8) Damien 2.6m (player option)
9) Reaves RFA QO 2.1m
10) Buddy 19.3m
11) Myles FA cap hold 27m
12) ntpMLE 11.6m
13) BAE 4.5m
14) vet min 2.1m
= 175.3m in team salary breaching both the tax line and the apron after using the hard cap triggering ntpMLE/BAE.
So in order for it all to fit (ie not being a tax payer AND still using the hardcap triggering exceptions while still remaining under the apron by default in not breaching the tax line), Bron/Myles would have to accommodate pay cuts where they sacrifice roughly 10m together OR THT opts out and then Bron can get his max, while Myles can get around 25m on a re-up and that vacated THT spot gets occupied by a vet min player.
This is all assuming Reaves is down for just 2.1m on a new deal. Otherwise we could have his new deal leak into the BAE amount or MLE if he proves to be worth a more lucrative amount. And that’s only if some other team doesn’t offer him a ridiculous offersheet that if we matched would trigger poison pill conditions with the ntpMLE used as the mechanism in matching. _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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Russ’s flaws are way more than free throw shooting lol. Off ball defense. 3 point shooting. Rotating on defense. Getting back on defense. Suspect finishing inside. He also had the most take fouls in the NBA which is now going to be penalized. He is who he is at this point of his illustrious career.
Yeah, clearly half (or more) of the problem comes from Russ being selfish. It reminds me of some the shenanigans that went on in OKC where the team would prioritize his getting his numbers. Honestly, it has caused me to rethink how illustrious a career Russ actually had. He had very little team success, an all-time great list of teammates extricated themselves from his teams, he left a body count of coaches. I mean, in a team sport, what can be pointed to that says he was an all time great himself? _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
Take it with a grain of salt but there is word going around that the Lakers want to gauge AD’s trade value, not sure if this related with the KD situation but it’s interesting nonetheless.
So in order for it all to fit (ie not being a tax payer AND still using the hardcap triggering exceptions while still remaining under the apron by default in not breaching the tax line), Bron/Myles would have to accommodate pay cuts where they sacrifice roughly 10m together OR THT opts out and then Bron can get his max, while Myles can get around 25m on a re-up and that vacated THT spot gets occupied by a vet min player.
This is all assuming Reaves is down for just 2.1m on a new deal. Otherwise we could have his new deal leak into the BAE amount or MLE if he proves to be worth a more lucrative amount. And that’s only if some other team doesn’t offer him a ridiculous offersheet that if we matched would trigger poison pill conditions with the ntpMLE used as the mechanism in matching.
So if we get 7.6% as projected, instead of 10%, it's even tighter. Overall, it's not as bad as I thought it would be. Just the same, if Lebron doesn't take less than the max, and if THT does not play well enough to make him want to opt out, we're limited on what we could offer Turner. This assumes, of course, that Turner stays healthy and plays well enough to command a large contract. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
Take it with a grain of salt but there is word going around that the Lakers want to gauge AD’s trade value, not sure if this related with the KD situation but it’s interesting nonetheless.
I looked it up. This just some vague gossip that winds up saying the opposite of what you heard.
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There are some in that organization who would not mind seeing what they can bring back for AD, but they would not do it with LeBron there. You get to 2024, though, and maybe things change.
Indiana laughs at Nunn and THT for Turner. Those players are not desirable.
Pacer fans like Talen, who is best friends with their franchise player, and are ready to move on from Myles. You want undesirable, see Myles Turner. No team is offering anything of value for the guy. In fact, Pacer fans would prefer trading Myles over Buddy.
I actually don't want Myles Turner.
He's unathletic. He loses jump balls 70% of the time. He has bad hands. He is hurt all the time. Oh and he wants a max contract. Despite leading the league in blocks twice, zero nods to the all-defense team. Classic case of grass is greener.
Indiana laughs at Nunn and THT for Turner. Those players are not desirable.
Pacer fans like Talen, who is best friends with their franchise player, and are ready to move on from Myles. You want undesirable, see Myles Turner. No team is offering anything of value for the guy. In fact, Pacer fans would prefer trading Myles over Buddy.
I actually don't want Myles Turner.
He's unathletic. He loses jump balls 70% of the time. He has bad hands. He is hurt all the time. Oh and he wants a max contract. Despite leading the league in blocks twice, zero nods to the all-defense team. Classic case of grass is greener.
This is kind of captain obvious, but why should we care what pacers fans like? They aren't making trades. I do agree that Turner is overrated by some, but that doesn't mean that he can't help us.
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Take it with a grain of salt but there is word going around that the Lakers want to gauge AD’s trade value, not sure if this related with the KD situation but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Is that right? And what blog-boi Reddit-er shared this nugget?
Take it with a grain of salt but there is word going around that the Lakers want to gauge AD’s trade value, not sure if this related with the KD situation but it’s interesting nonetheless.
What do you write stuff like "take it with a grain of salt but there's word going around that blah blah blah.." ?
Just copy and paste the link to bleacher report click bait article. It sounds like you almost want credit for "hearing" that.
Take it with a grain of salt but there is word going around that the Lakers want to gauge AD’s trade value, not sure if this related with the KD situation but it’s interesting nonetheless.
I looked it up. This just some vague gossip that winds up saying the opposite of what you heard.
Quote:
There are some in that organization who would not mind seeing what they can bring back for AD, but they would not do it with LeBron there. You get to 2024, though, and maybe things change.
Indiana laughs at Nunn and THT for Turner. Those players are not desirable.
Pacer fans like Talen, who is best friends with their franchise player, and are ready to move on from Myles. You want undesirable, see Myles Turner. No team is offering anything of value for the guy. In fact, Pacer fans would prefer trading Myles over Buddy.
I actually don't want Myles Turner.
He's unathletic. He loses jump balls 70% of the time. He has bad hands. He is hurt all the time. Oh and he wants a max contract. Despite leading the league in blocks twice, zero nods to the all-defense team. Classic case of grass is greener.
Also should be mentioned that he supposedly wants to be the man on offense and he really, really lacks the game to do so. He’s not a great finisher inside, and while he does have a shot, it isn’t particularly consistent. There’s a reason Indy has been making him available for a long while now for a first round pick and they’ve had zero takers this far.
Mike Brown will have more respect towards his game and style then Vogel did.
Mike Dantoni couldn't use him right either huh?
Kent played like a headless chicken. He ran around with no purpose. He played with so much energy but he couldn't stop anybody. I think Ja Morant had 40 points on 20 shots.
They would have won more games if they had benched Kent and started Austin at the beginning of the season.
He boxes out on defense. He challenges drives outside of the restricted area without flopping. He might be just what they need at the center position. We all know about the outside shooting, but he sets screens and gets open under the basket for a quick dump off a la Antawn Jamison.
Re-post.
Most underrated signing of the off-season. He is exactly what they need.
Those defensive rebounds at the end
We lost so many games last season because we couldn't do that.
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Reaves wasn’t gonna get minutes especially when we had no idea what kind of Impact he can have, once injuries started to pile up he started to get minutes and his confidence went up, now everyone knows that he can do it consistently every night because he got the chance.
Free agent forward Kent Bazemore has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
Mike Brown will have more respect towards his game and style then Vogel did.
Baze looked lost on both sides of the ball all season long. Not gonna work for a role player. He was far from our biggest problem, but for a player who wasn't old, injured or entitled, he sure didn't contribute much. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
Free agent forward Kent Bazemore has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
Mike Brown will have more respect towards his game and style then Vogel did.
Baze looked lost on both sides of the ball all season long. Not gonna work for a role player. He was far from our biggest problem, but for a player who wasn't old, injured or entitled, he sure didn't contribute much.
The truth is he isn’t very good at anything he does.
Free agent forward Kent Bazemore has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
Mike Brown will have more respect towards his game and style then Vogel did.
Just need to give him an actual play design and his production will go up. He’s not a guy you plug into a “Lebron or Russ tries to make something happen” offense.
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