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| cathy78 wrote: | | Even if Shaq wouldn't get called for some cheap fouls he would be a serious issue on defense. Even as a Lakers fan I am tempted to say the 2017 Warriors might win. |
Lakers would probably have to double team the ball handler on any screen that tries to pull Shaq out to the perimeter, switch everything, and pray that you can outpace them on your easy 2s compared to the tough 3s you make them take. |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | LakesGnrLake wrote: | If it's 2000 rules Lakers beat Warriors, they will just play physical with them and see if those three's keep falling late in the game/series. If it's modern rules the Warriors probably have the upper hand. I guess that's why we have 2k  |
the rule will determine the outcome. probably why each team has dominated their era.
just the hand checking rule and no defensive 3 will be devastating to the warriors.
it is that much easier to guard a shooter when you can "grab" his hand momentarily while following him
no defensive 3 means Shaq can literally sit in the paint and shut down all layups. |
Zone Defense > Hand Checking
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| MJST wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | LakesGnrLake wrote: | | If it's 2000 rules Lakers beat Warriors, they will just play physical with them and see if those three's keep falling late in the game/series. If it's modern rules the Warriors probably have the upper hand. I guess that's why we have 2k |
the rule will determine the outcome. probably why each team has dominated their era.
just the hand checking rule and no defensive 3 will be devastating to the warriors.
it is that much easier to guard a shooter when you can "grab" his hand momentarily while following him
no defensive 3 means Shaq can literally sit in the paint and shut down all layups. |
Zone Defense > Hand Checking |
NBA team rarely plays Zone, it is the weak side shadowing without committing that’s confusing player because you can’t do it in the past. It was not allowed in 2001. |
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| krisobe wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | LakesGnrLake wrote: | | If it's 2000 rules Lakers beat Warriors, they will just play physical with them and see if those three's keep falling late in the game/series. If it's modern rules the Warriors probably have the upper hand. I guess that's why we have 2k |
the rule will determine the outcome. probably why each team has dominated their era.
just the hand checking rule and no defensive 3 will be devastating to the warriors.
it is that much easier to guard a shooter when you can "grab" his hand momentarily while following him
no defensive 3 means Shaq can literally sit in the paint and shut down all layups. |
Would the 2001 Lakers beat 2017 Warriors in a 7 game series, neutral court bubble style, no fans, all players healthy... but with 2022-2023 RULES? Would the 2001 Lakers 15-1 team be that dominant over the 2017 Warriors 16-1 team? |
In todays rules, I’d take the 2017 warrior in 5 |
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| People love to over hype the physicality back then… But you got guys like Reggie Miller, Jeff Hornacek, Kittles, Rip Hamilton and many more that have no issues playing in that tough physical era. Mugsy Bogues, Spud Webb, Earl Boykins, Keith Jennings… C’mon man!!! |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | People love to over hype the physicality back then… But you got guys like Reggie Miller, Jeff Hornacek, Kittles, Rip Hamilton and many more that have no issues playing in that tough physical era. Mugsy Bogues, Spud Webb, Earl Boykins, Keith Jennings… C’mon man!!! |
none of them are super stars besides Reggie。 if you look at the numbers of Reggie by today's standards, he probably couldn't make the all NBA 50 and 75.
however, i think Reggie would be a superstar in today's game. he was a master at shooting on the move. most of his shots were not open. |
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Also, Zone defense causes more trouble for isolation player than hand checking did.
The old rules allowed isolation players to be able to go one on one a lot of the time, because when you doubled, you HAD to fully commit.
Imagine having to FULLY COMMIT to double teaming a Warriors player because otherwise it's a violation. Imagine having to COMMIT to guarding Durant and leaving Curry wide open, or anyone else on that Warriors team open from three.
The old rules favored isolation players far more than zone defense did. Which is why I always considered what Kobe did offensively all the more impressive, especially in the 24 years because he was doing it all against a Zone Defense.
Remember watching 4 people run at Curry the moment he passes half court to defend him? Kobe was drawing that kind of attention and would still drop 45-50 against it.
So if Kobe played in the era for as long, where you couldn't play zone, you HAD to defend him on iso OR commit fully to the double team his numbers in his prime could have potentially been even crazier. Think about that.
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| governator wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | We're hitting these topics and it's not the dog days yet. Need to save something for August.
2001 Shaq was insane. It's a different "unguardable" than a Curry/Klay. They'd have to use multiple defenders because they lack proper size. Even then, he'd go through that and he'd feast. His guys would have wide open looks and he'd still be cleaning up the offense glass on their misses. He'd sideline several guys with fouls. Draymond would have to guard someone else and they'd have to use bigs. Floor would tighten up for the Warriors. Also, you allow defenders to grab and hold more back in 2001, that's a disadvantage to perimeter players like Curry and Klay.
Kobe probably slides onto Curry defensively late in the games. |
nuff said, Lakers in 4 |
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| MJST wrote: | Also, Zone defense causes more trouble for isolation player than hand checking did.
The old rules allowed isolation players to be able to go one on one a lot of the time, because when you doubled, you HAD to fully commit.
Imagine having to FULLY COMMIT to double teaming a Warriors player because otherwise it's a violation. Imagine having to COMMIT to guarding Durant and leaving Curry wide open, or anyone else on that Warriors team open from three.
The old rules favored isolation players far more than zone defense did. Which is why I always considered what Kobe did offensively all the more impressive, especially in the 24 years because he was doing it all against a Zone Defense.
Remember watching 4 people run at Curry the moment he passes half court to defend him? Kobe was drawing that kind of attention and would still drop 45-50 against it.
So if Kobe played in the era for as long, where you couldn't play zone, you HAD to defend him on iso OR commit fully to the double team his numbers in his prime could have potentially been even crazier. Think about that. |
Kobe said it himself... It was harder to score vs zone defense compare to hand checking era. Where he was allowed to ISO his defender all day.
Warriors would have gave Lakers huge problems in floor spacing alone. Those players were not used to having to guard and extend that far. Can't sag off either like they used to do back then. |
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if the warriors are so unbeatable then why did the rockets almost eliminate them in the following year with Harden and Cp3 ?
A cp3 injury and a rockets team going 0-27 from 3 in game 7 only saved them, not to mention the rigged game in game 7 favoring the warriors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYveyAb6mvU
Phil would have made KD beat them by iso'ing and it would have backfired, the same way it did when the Warriors applied that defense to him in 2016 vs OKC.
Also either Tracy McGrady or Pippen would have joined them to counter KD's move to GS |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | People love to over hype the physicality back then… But you got guys like Reggie Miller, Jeff Hornacek, Kittles, Rip Hamilton and many more that have no issues playing in that tough physical era. Mugsy Bogues, Spud Webb, Earl Boykins, Keith Jennings… C’mon man!!! |
way to name the smallest players in that era lol
it was physical because of hand checking and the amount of big men that were great. You still had the wings, Hardway, Steve Smith, Pippen, MJ, Drexler, Houston just to name a few. |
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| MJST wrote: | Also, Zone defense causes more trouble for isolation player than hand checking did.
The old rules allowed isolation players to be able to go one on one a lot of the time, because when you doubled, you HAD to fully commit.
Imagine having to FULLY COMMIT to double teaming a Warriors player because otherwise it's a violation. Imagine having to COMMIT to guarding Durant and leaving Curry wide open, or anyone else on that Warriors team open from three.
The old rules favored isolation players far more than zone defense did. Which is why I always considered what Kobe did offensively all the more impressive, especially in the 24 years because he was doing it all against a Zone Defense.
Remember watching 4 people run at Curry the moment he passes half court to defend him? Kobe was drawing that kind of attention and would still drop 45-50 against it.
So if Kobe played in the era for as long, where you couldn't play zone, you HAD to defend him on iso OR commit fully to the double team his numbers in his prime could have potentially been even crazier. Think about that. |
zone defense in todays game is only used in desperation and exposed once a team figures how to get the ball inside. Also no team has or should a run a zone vs the Warriors. they'd just kill you from 3 so yeah Hand Checking would have made them worse (see cavs when dellavedova was getting up in Curry and he looked average) |
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| M2K wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | We're hitting these topics and it's not the dog days yet. Need to save something for August.
2001 Shaq was insane. It's a different "unguardable" than a Curry/Klay. They'd have to use multiple defenders because they lack proper size. Even then, he'd go through that and he'd feast. His guys would have wide open looks and he'd still be cleaning up the offense glass on their misses. He'd sideline several guys with fouls. Draymond would have to guard someone else and they'd have to use bigs. Floor would tighten up for the Warriors. Also, you allow defenders to grab and hold more back in 2001, that's a disadvantage to perimeter players like Curry and Klay.
Kobe probably slides onto Curry defensively late in the games. |
nuff said, Lakers in 4 |
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| Nnamdi21 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Also, Zone defense causes more trouble for isolation player than hand checking did.
The old rules allowed isolation players to be able to go one on one a lot of the time, because when you doubled, you HAD to fully commit.
Imagine having to FULLY COMMIT to double teaming a Warriors player because otherwise it's a violation. Imagine having to COMMIT to guarding Durant and leaving Curry wide open, or anyone else on that Warriors team open from three.
The old rules favored isolation players far more than zone defense did. Which is why I always considered what Kobe did offensively all the more impressive, especially in the 24 years because he was doing it all against a Zone Defense.
Remember watching 4 people run at Curry the moment he passes half court to defend him? Kobe was drawing that kind of attention and would still drop 45-50 against it.
So if Kobe played in the era for as long, where you couldn't play zone, you HAD to defend him on iso OR commit fully to the double team his numbers in his prime could have potentially been even crazier. Think about that. |
zone defense in todays game is only used in desperation and exposed once a team figures how to get the ball inside. Also no team has or should a run a zone vs the Warriors. they'd just kill you from 3 so yeah Hand Checking would have made them worse (see cavs when dellavedova was getting up in Curry and he looked average) |
You mean the one game where Curry had an off night?
Yeah what happened in the next 4 games?
Curry averaged
27.8 PPG
5.3 RPG
6.3 APG
2.3 SPG
49.4% Field Goal
47.7% from Three(on 11 attempts a game)
85.7% Free Throw
That's average to you?
See,.. that's what happens when people take ESPN hot takes seriously and actually think Igoudala deserved Finals MVP over Curry or that Curry didn't carry that team on his back to that title.
You may as well have said "Remember when Gary Payton on one leg made Jordan look below average in the Finals?" You'd have had more evidence to go off of as Jordan across the last 3 games of that series shot 36% from the field and averaged 23 Points. But people don't bring that up, but they want to act like Delly somehow shut Steph down cause they ignore the last 4 games of that series
ESPN and their hot takes formula really has killed basketball analysis in the field nowadays, and it's sad to see.
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| MJST wrote: | | Nnamdi21 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Also, Zone defense causes more trouble for isolation player than hand checking did.
The old rules allowed isolation players to be able to go one on one a lot of the time, because when you doubled, you HAD to fully commit.
Imagine having to FULLY COMMIT to double teaming a Warriors player because otherwise it's a violation. Imagine having to COMMIT to guarding Durant and leaving Curry wide open, or anyone else on that Warriors team open from three.
The old rules favored isolation players far more than zone defense did. Which is why I always considered what Kobe did offensively all the more impressive, especially in the 24 years because he was doing it all against a Zone Defense.
Remember watching 4 people run at Curry the moment he passes half court to defend him? Kobe was drawing that kind of attention and would still drop 45-50 against it.
So if Kobe played in the era for as long, where you couldn't play zone, you HAD to defend him on iso OR commit fully to the double team his numbers in his prime could have potentially been even crazier. Think about that. |
zone defense in todays game is only used in desperation and exposed once a team figures how to get the ball inside. Also no team has or should a run a zone vs the Warriors. they'd just kill you from 3 so yeah Hand Checking would have made them worse (see cavs when dellavedova was getting up in Curry and he looked average) |
You mean the one game where Curry had an off night?
Yeah what happened in the next 4 games?
Curry averaged
27.8 PPG
5.3 RPG
6.3 APG
2.3 SPG
49.4% Field Goal
47.7% from Three(on 11 attempts a game)
85.7% Free Throw
That's average to you?
See,.. that's what happens when people take ESPN hot takes seriously and actually think Igoudala deserved Finals MVP over Curry or that Curry didn't carry that team on his back to that title.
You may as well have said "Remember when Gary Payton on one leg made Jordan look below average in the Finals?" You'd have had more evidence to go off of as Jordan across the last 3 games of that series shot 36% from the field and averaged 23 Points. But people don't bring that up, but they want to act like Delly somehow shut Steph down cause they ignore the last 4 games of that series
ESPN and their hot takes formula really has killed basketball analysis in the field nowadays, and it's sad to see. |
anyone who watched that series knows he got out played by a player for most of the series. and that player was out of the league a few years later, so not like some defensive legend did this to him.
yes dellavedova was fighting through screens and draped all over him for the 1st 3 games and he was awful. It was mostly all one on one coverage by dellavedova.
he had like 3 pts in the 1st half of game 3 and then got some garbage points later. He also led the warriors in turnovers through the 1st 3 games. Inserting Iggy in changed that series and I still dont think he should have won MVP over curry but doesnt mean Curry played well. I gave out a example of how he can be shut down when a player gets physical and this was post hand check era.
The eye test also showed he wasnt playing up to par and a bench player gave him major issues.
Stick Kobe, Lue, Fisher on him and he's manageable one on one. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | We're hitting these topics and it's not the dog days yet. Need to save something for August.
2001 Shaq was insane. It's a different "unguardable" than a Curry/Klay. They'd have to use multiple defenders because they lack proper size. Even then, he'd go through that and he'd feast. His guys would have wide open looks and he'd still be cleaning up the offense glass on their misses. He'd sideline several guys with fouls. Draymond would have to guard someone else and they'd have to use bigs. Floor would tighten up for the Warriors. Also, you allow defenders to grab and hold more back in 2001, that's a disadvantage to perimeter players like Curry and Klay.
Kobe probably slides onto Curry defensively late in the games. |
2001 Shaq WAS insane...
33 PPG
15.8 RPG
4.8 APG
3.4 BPG
57.3% Field Goal
51.3% Free Throw
Except here's the thing...
2017 KD was also insane
35.2 PPG
8.2 RPG
5.2 APG
1.0 SPG
1.6 BPG
55.6% Field Goal
47.4% Three Pointer (on 7.6 a game)
92.7% Free Throw
So you can go ahead and switch Kobe on Steph... but what happens when Shaq gets switched on to KD. Rick Fox also isn't gonna be able to handle KD on that end either.
Also we're forgetting the very real reality that it means Klay still gets to run ramshot.
Also lets not forget that Curry just averaged 33 points against the Number 1 Defensive team in the league and the Defensive Player of the year that played HIS POSITION in the NBA Finals so there's that too.
So even if you switched Kobe onto Steph, or Shaq onto KD and say they canceled each other out, you still have Klay to deal with. Then you got the depth of the Warriors bench on top of that with David West, Shaun Livingston, Igoudala, and then there's still Draymond.
Whereas next up on the Lakers was Fox, Horry, old grant, and Lue.
Allen Iverson averaged
35.6 PPG
5.6 RPG
3.8 APG
While shooting 28.2% from Three on 7 attempts a game because he wasn't a three point shooter and it was one of the most open shots his team had..
WHAT...DO YOU THINK... Steph would do....because I'll tell you one thing, if he's getting 7 attempts from three per game because the Lakers are packing the paint... he isn't gonna shoot 28.2%...
This was with the Lakers throwing Fox, Lue, Kobe at Iverson in attempts to slow him down and in isolation plays. We're not even going into the screens they'd run through to even get to Curry and the fact that Curry is a deadlier and more efficient isolation scorer than Iverson. So yeah... it's a scary thought.
The Warriors just would have been a matchup nightmare for the Lakers. Whatever advantages and numbers Shaq gives with his 2000-20001 dominance, Durant is going to match and the Warriors had a deeper and three point shooting team, which was a shot the Lakers forced teams to take.. which is... exactly what the Warriors would want to do.
So yeah, 2017 Warriors are a matchup nightmare for the 2001 Lakers. It is what it is.
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| Nnamdi21 wrote: |
anyone who watched that series knows he got out played by a player for most of the series. and that player was out of the league a few years later, so not like some defensive legend did this to him. |
Dude... Curry just averaged 31 in the Finals in crazy efficiency against the Number 1 Defensive team in the League and the Defensive Player of the year that played CURRY'S POSITION while scoring 48% from the Field and 43% from Three on 11 Attempts a Game. Are you serious??
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yes dellavedova was fighting through screens and draped all over him for the 1st 3 games and he was awful. It was mostly all one on one coverage by dellavedova. |
Game 1
Curry
25/4/8 on 50% Field Goal
Game 2
Curry
19/6/5 on 21.7 Field Goal (the one bad game)
Game 3
Curry 27/6/6 on 50% Field Goal and 57% from Three
Again.. What the heck are you talking about? The only bad game Curry had was Game 2.
| Nnamdi21 wrote: | | The eye test also showed he - |
Aaaaand that's where this little debate ends.
Dude this is a worse take than someone trying to go "Kobe averaged 24 points in the 01 Finals on 41% shooting in 01 with Aaron McKie on him, Draymond or Klay would have locked him up." but no one is THAT freaking crazy, even on ESPN.
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| MJST wrote: | | Nnamdi21 wrote: |
anyone who watched that series knows he got out played by a player for most of the series. and that player was out of the league a few years later, so not like some defensive legend did this to him. |
Dude... Curry just averaged 33 in the Finals in crazy efficiency against the Number 1 Defensive team in the League and the Defensive Player of the year that played CURRY'S POSITION. Are you serious??
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yes dellavedova was fighting through screens and draped all over him for the 1st 3 games and he was awful. It was mostly all one on one coverage by dellavedova. |
Game 1
Curry
25/4/8 on 50% Field Goal
Game 2
Curry
19/6/5 on 21.7 Field Goal (the one bad game)
Game 3
Curry 27/6/6 on 50% Field Goal and 57% from Three
Again.. What the heck are you talking about? The only bad game Curry had was Game 2.
| Nnamdi21 wrote: | | The eye test also showed he - |
Aaaaand that's where this little debate ends. |
game 3 was over by the time Curry got his garbage points in so that stands lol
dellavedova was defensive player of the year? you drunk buddy?
you think we should take you serious when you failed to mention that Fisher was part of the lakers in your previous post to DancingBarry?? but mention Livingston who was a shell of himself (yeah if you didnt know, Fisher lit up the 2001 playoffs) but you're probably too young. Anyways odd that your tilting your players and data to favor a non-Laker team |
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| Nnamdi21 wrote: |
anyone who watched that series knows he got out played by a player for most of the series. and that player was out of the league a few years later, so not like some defensive legend did this to him. |
Dude... Curry just averaged 33 in the Finals in crazy efficiency against the Number 1 Defensive team in the League and the Defensive Player of the year that played CURRY'S POSITION. Are you serious??
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yes dellavedova was fighting through screens and draped all over him for the 1st 3 games and he was awful. It was mostly all one on one coverage by dellavedova. |
Game 1
Curry
25/4/8 on 50% Field Goal
Game 2
Curry
19/6/5 on 21.7 Field Goal (the one bad game)
Game 3
Curry 27/6/6 on 50% Field Goal and 57% from Three
Again.. What the heck are you talking about? The only bad game Curry had was Game 2.
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dellavedova was defensive player of the year? you drunk buddy? |
Nope, but Marcus Smart was, you saw what Curry just did to him, and the rest of the Celtics whom was the Number 1 Defensive Team in the League this year.
Curry just dropped 31 points per game on 48% from the Field and 43% from Three on 11 attempts per game and you're sitting here like "But he had one off night against Delladova once..."
That is a worse take than someone trying to go "Kobe averaged 24 points in the 01 Finals on 41% shooting in 01 with Aaron McKie on him, Draymond or Klay would have locked him up." but no one is THAT freaking crazy, even on ESPN.
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you think we should take you serious when you failed to mention that Fisher was part of the lakers in your previous post to DancingBarry?? but mention Livingston who was a shell of himself (yeah if you didnt know, Fisher lit up the 2001 playoffs) but you're probably too young. |
Fisher!?!?!? Fisher is gonna be the difference now???
No I wasn't too young, I watched the series and entire playoffs and celebrated, I relished in their destruction of the Spurs that gloated after sweeping us two years prior in the last game at the Forum. I remembered that and I remembered how happy I was watching us light them up on our way to the Finals.
NOW.. back to the subject of Derek Fisher.
Who are you taking as your third option on the offensive and defensive end.. Derek Fisher... or Klay Thompson?
I think that puts an end to that.
Yeah Fisher "lit up the Finals from three"
Yeah he scored 9 points a game on 52% from three on 3.8 attempts a game in the Finals.. yep..
So um... Klay doubles that. Again.. Derek Fisher vs Klay Thompson? Is that where we're at now? 
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| MJST wrote: | | Nnamdi21 wrote: |
anyone who watched that series knows he got out played by a player for most of the series. and that player was out of the league a few years later, so not like some defensive legend did this to him. |
Dude... Curry just averaged 33 in the Finals in crazy efficiency against the Number 1 Defensive team in the League and the Defensive Player of the year that played CURRY'S POSITION. Are you serious??
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yes dellavedova was fighting through screens and draped all over him for the 1st 3 games and he was awful. It was mostly all one on one coverage by dellavedova. |
Game 1
Curry
25/4/8 on 50% Field Goal
Game 2
Curry
19/6/5 on 21.7 Field Goal (the one bad game)
Game 3
Curry 27/6/6 on 50% Field Goal and 57% from Three
Again.. What the heck are you talking about? The only bad game Curry had was Game 2.
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dellavedova was defensive player of the year? you drunk buddy? |
Nope, but Marcus Smart was, you saw what Curry just did to him, and the rest of the Celtics whom was the Number 1 Defensive Team in the League this year.
Curry just dropped 31 points per game on 48% from the Field and 43% from Three on 11 attempts per game and you're sitting here like "But he had one off night against Delladova once..."
That is a worse take than someone trying to go "Kobe averaged 24 points in the 01 Finals on 41% shooting in 01 with Aaron McKie on him, Draymond or Klay would have locked him up." but no one is THAT freaking crazy, even on ESPN.
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you think we should take you serious when you failed to mention that Fisher was part of the lakers in your previous post to DancingBarry?? but mention Livingston who was a shell of himself (yeah if you didnt know, Fisher lit up the 2001 playoffs) but you're probably too young. |
Fisher!?!?!? Fisher is gonna be the difference now???
No I wasn't too young, I watched the series and entire playoffs and celebrated, I relished in their destruction of the Spurs that gloated after sweeping us two years prior in the last game at the Forum. I remembered that and I remembered how happy I was watching us light them up on our way to the Finals.
NOW.. back to the subject of Derek Fisher.
Who are you taking as your third option on the offensive and defensive end.. Derek Fisher... or Klay Thompson?
I think that puts an end to that.
Yeah Fisher "lit up the Finals from three"
Yeah he scored 9 points a game on 52% from three on 3.8 attempts a game in the Finals.. yep..
So um... Klay doubles that. Again.. Derek Fisher vs Klay Thompson? Is that where we're at now? |
Who said Fisher vs Klay? you just forgot to even mention him. take fault
Curry wasnt great in 2015 untl game 4 but that wasnt the point, i dont care for a history lesson on Curry's stats throughout his years. I basically just mentioned a player who was draped all over him and kept him in check. You probably think teams can only triple team him to keep him in check.
Anyways, back to the basics and Ima end it here on my end because we can go on and on without knowing the truth 
Kobe + Shaq > Curry + Durant
Klay > Fox
Horry/Fisher/Lue/Grant = Draymond/Iggy/West/Livingston
Lakers in 6 or 7. |
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| Nnamdi21 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | People love to over hype the physicality back then… But you got guys like Reggie Miller, Jeff Hornacek, Kittles, Rip Hamilton and many more that have no issues playing in that tough physical era. Mugsy Bogues, Spud Webb, Earl Boykins, Keith Jennings… C’mon man!!! |
way to name the smallest players in that era lol
it was physical because of hand checking and the amount of big men that were great. You still had the wings, Hardway, Steve Smith, Pippen, MJ, Drexler, Houston just to name a few. |
Just pointing out those guys have no issues surviving that suppose to be physical era... When the truth is that era had more less athletic slow footed smaller athletes. |
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| Nnamdi21 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Nnamdi21 wrote: |
anyone who watched that series knows he got out played by a player for most of the series. and that player was out of the league a few years later, so not like some defensive legend did this to him. |
Dude... Curry just averaged 33 in the Finals in crazy efficiency against the Number 1 Defensive team in the League and the Defensive Player of the year that played CURRY'S POSITION. Are you serious??
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yes dellavedova was fighting through screens and draped all over him for the 1st 3 games and he was awful. It was mostly all one on one coverage by dellavedova. |
Game 1
Curry
25/4/8 on 50% Field Goal
Game 2
Curry
19/6/5 on 21.7 Field Goal (the one bad game)
Game 3
Curry 27/6/6 on 50% Field Goal and 57% from Three
Again.. What the heck are you talking about? The only bad game Curry had was Game 2.
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dellavedova was defensive player of the year? you drunk buddy? |
Nope, but Marcus Smart was, you saw what Curry just did to him, and the rest of the Celtics whom was the Number 1 Defensive Team in the League this year.
Curry just dropped 31 points per game on 48% from the Field and 43% from Three on 11 attempts per game and you're sitting here like "But he had one off night against Delladova once..."
That is a worse take than someone trying to go "Kobe averaged 24 points in the 01 Finals on 41% shooting in 01 with Aaron McKie on him, Draymond or Klay would have locked him up." but no one is THAT freaking crazy, even on ESPN.
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you think we should take you serious when you failed to mention that Fisher was part of the lakers in your previous post to DancingBarry?? but mention Livingston who was a shell of himself (yeah if you didnt know, Fisher lit up the 2001 playoffs) but you're probably too young. |
Fisher!?!?!? Fisher is gonna be the difference now???
No I wasn't too young, I watched the series and entire playoffs and celebrated, I relished in their destruction of the Spurs that gloated after sweeping us two years prior in the last game at the Forum. I remembered that and I remembered how happy I was watching us light them up on our way to the Finals.
NOW.. back to the subject of Derek Fisher.
Who are you taking as your third option on the offensive and defensive end.. Derek Fisher... or Klay Thompson?
I think that puts an end to that.
Yeah Fisher "lit up the Finals from three"
Yeah he scored 9 points a game on 52% from three on 3.8 attempts a game in the Finals.. yep..
So um... Klay doubles that. Again.. Derek Fisher vs Klay Thompson? Is that where we're at now? |
Who said Fisher vs Klay? you just forgot to even mention him. take fault
Curry wasnt great in 2015 untl game 4 but that wasnt the point, i dont care for a history lesson on Curry's stats throughout his years. I basically just mentioned a player who was draped all over him and kept him in check. You probably think teams can only triple team him to keep him in check.
Anyways, back to the basics and Ima end it here on my end because we can go on and on without knowing the truth
Kobe + Shaq > Curry + Durant
Klay > Fox
Horry/Fisher/Lue/Grant = Draymond/Iggy/West/Livingston
Lakers in 6 or 7. |
Why are you even talking about 2015 Curry?.... Were talking about 2017 Warriors team that had KD... KD on that team improves them drastically and makes things easier for Curry/Klay and the rest of the guys.
Also it takes 2-3 Lakers just to match Klay's offensive production. That automatically depletes your bench productions.
So that means Warriors have a huge advantage Dray/Iggy/West/Livingston.
Shaq/Kobe Curry/Durant cancel each other out... Curry/Durant are much more efficient all over the court. |
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Yeah, GSW would win.
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| Bron dropped 50 large on these foos in their home court... what y'all think three-peat Shaq would do to them, Lakers win |
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| Hmmm….what rules are they using? |
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