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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:23 am    Post subject:

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Hmmm….what rules are they using?


Agreed that it depends on which era/which rules the teams play.

If they're playing in 2001, Lakers win in 5.

If they're playing in 2017, Warriors win in 6.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:48 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Bron dropped 50 large on these foos in their home court...


And they lost.

quartzcharm wrote:
Dreamshake wrote:
Hmmm….what rules are they using?


Agreed that it depends on which era/which rules the teams play.

If they're playing in 2001, Lakers win in 5.

If they're playing in 2017, Warriors win in 6.


You think the Lakers win in 5 when the rules say they can't use zone, and have to commit to double teaming Curry or Durant while leaving the other wide open otherwise it's illegal defense?

You think that rule benefits the Lakers???

Imagine having to fully commit to double teaming Steph and leaving KD or Klay open every single time down because of that and having to just live with iso defending Curry, Durant or Klay.

Iverson averaged 35PPG on this team while shooting 20%ish from three... the heck you think Steph, Durant and Klay are going to do? In an era that the rules where their choices are
1. Leave one of these three wide open each time down
or
2. Commit to one on one defending them most of the game

It doesn't benefit. If anything you're asking for doom. Imagine Fox trying to guard Durant, or Shaq switching to Durant on the perimeter, and them having to fully commit to the double team, thus leaving Steph wide open for three each time it happens.

Sorry, but zone helps the Lakers against the Warriors, Without it you're leaving the greatest shooters of all time wide open each time down because you have to commit to the double.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:41 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
governator wrote:
Bron dropped 50 large on these foos in their home court...


And they lost.

quartzcharm wrote:
Dreamshake wrote:
Hmmm….what rules are they using?


Agreed that it depends on which era/which rules the teams play.

If they're playing in 2001, Lakers win in 5.

If they're playing in 2017, Warriors win in 6.


You think the Lakers win in 5 when the rules say they can't use zone, and have to commit to double teaming Curry or Durant while leaving the other wide open otherwise it's illegal defense?

You think that rule benefits the Lakers???

Imagine having to fully commit to double teaming Steph and leaving KD or Klay open every single time down because of that and having to just live with iso defending Curry, Durant or Klay.

Iverson averaged 35PPG on this team while shooting 20%ish from three... the heck you think Steph, Durant and Klay are going to do? In an era that the rules where their choices are
1. Leave one of these three wide open each time down
or
2. Commit to one on one defending them most of the game

It doesn't benefit. If anything you're asking for doom. Imagine Fox trying to guard Durant, or Shaq switching to Durant on the perimeter, and them having to fully commit to the double team, thus leaving Steph wide open for three each time it happens.

Sorry, but zone helps the Lakers against the Warriors, Without it you're leaving the greatest shooters of all time wide open each time down because you have to commit to the double.


If you have to live with 1 on 1 its not like things are horrible for Lakers. Kobe can guard Durant and make him work. Fisher was no slouch on defense, not saying he's gonna lock down Curry, but he would make life hard for him. Klay is amazing but he's a catch and shoot guy. So in iso situations you make him drive to the lane. The Lakers defense would be no 3s make everyone have to shoot a midrange shot or drive into Shaq. As for taking Shaq to the perimeter on D. Don't allow him to be switched on. Go over the screen or accept that they are going to get a layup.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:45 pm    Post subject:

Curry is on crack.
No chance in hell the 2017 Warriors beat the 2001 Lakers.
Who guards Shaq? He would kill them.
Who guards Kobe? He would kill them.

As those two are constantly doubled, who guards the rest of the Lakers hitting outside shots?

Not even close, 2001 Lakers, even without home court, win 4-1, maybe 4-2.

2001 Lakers are in the discussion as the best team of all time.
Warriors, to me, have been overhyped. Historically, they aren't one of the best, in my opinion. Maybe in the top 5 but more likely in the top 7.
Keep in mind, Lebron and Kyrie smoked them after their great 73-9 season after being down 3-1. Cavs punked them.

1985 Lakers were better
1986 Celtics were better
1983 Sixers were better
1972 Lakers were better
2001 Lakers were better
and I am not even talking about the Celtic teams of the 1960's

Just my opinion....
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anth2000 wrote:
Curry is on crack.
No chance in hell the 2017 Warriors beat the 2001 Lakers.
Who guards Shaq? He would kill them.
Who guards Kobe? He would kill them.


Durant was just as unstoppable as Shaq in 2017. SO whatever Shaq did, Durant would match.
Steph would also go toe to toe with Kobe.

So when Durant and Curry cancel out or match Kobe and Shaq. Who on the Lakers matches Klay?

anth2000 wrote:

As those two are constantly doubled, who guards the rest of the Lakers hitting outside shots?


You want the 2001 Lakers to try to match outside shots with the 2017 Warriors???? Do you want them to get blown out?

anth2000 wrote:

Not even close, 2001 Lakers, even without home court, win 4-1, maybe 4-2.


Not happening.

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2001 Lakers are in the discussion as the best team of all time.


So are the 2017 Warriors.

anth2000 wrote:

Warriors, to me, have been overhyped. Historically, they aren't one of the best, in my opinion. Maybe in the top 5 but more likely in the top 7.
Keep in mind, Lebron and Kyrie smoked them after their great 73-9 season after being down 3-1. Cavs punked them.


Keep in mind it took injuries to Curry and Igoudala, a Draymond Suspension, and their last line of defense Andrew Bogut being injured for the Final 2 games. Despite all this the Cavs won Game 7 by single digits. And the 2017 Warriors replaced Harrison Barnes whom was horrible that series with KEVIN DURANT. What happened to that Cavs team the next season? Yeah...

anth2000 wrote:

1985 Lakers were better
1986 Celtics were better
1983 Sixers were better
1972 Lakers were better
2001 Lakers were better
and I am not even talking about the Celtic teams of the 1960's


How do all these teams match up with Curry, Klay and Durant and the three point shooting of the Warriors that none of these teams would be used to, in eras when the rules would have been tremendously in the Warriors favor with no zone defense allowed and you having to 100% commit to double teams or commit to isolations??? What happens when all their bigs are pulled out onto the perimeter to try to guard Durant, leaving the inside wide open, and committed double teams leaving the perimeter wide open?


I don't think people understand how devastating a team like the 2017 Warriors would be if the rules stated you had to commit double teams fully leaving one of them wide open each time. When you have a team that has players on it that shoot 7-8 threes a game on 40%+ from three and then having to leave one of them wide open, or live with isolation on people like Curry and Durant.

You saw how the Bulls dominated all those 90s teams with the Triangle? The Warriors run similar kinds of actions with additional pick and rolls that has been modified with three point shooting and some of D'Antoni's offense thrown in as well. It would be an offense that would have befuddled those eras much like the triangle did.

You can say "But the Triangle only had maximum effectiveness when Jordan had Scottie playing like an all-star." Yeah.. when Jordan got Scottie at an all-star level the triangle dominated all those teams.

Now... Curry has himself.. and he has Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson... in an era you are forced to iso defend.. with the kind of offense the Warriors run... it spells disaster.

Kobe and Shaq will have their 30+ and 27+ and Curry and Durant will have their 30+ and 27+ and then Klay has his 18-20+ and who is the third option on the Lakers you're asking for that??? Horry? Fox? Fisher? And then you have the depth of the Warriors bench on top of that. Who on the Lakers is matching that?

The 2017 Warriors aren't the 2001 Philadelphia 76ers. They're not even the 2000 Spurs. They have 3 all-stars that can go off for 30+ on any given night, on crazy insane efficiency in an era with zone defense which was meant to make life hard on iso players.

Whether people want to admit it or not.. the modern day equivalent to the Showtime Lakers and their dominance of the 80s has been the Golden State Warriors. And their offense takes things that the Lakers AND The Bulls did to success in their offenses and does it in a modern day NBA setting. If they brought this offense and three point shooting to any eras that didn't prioritize it, or that made it easier for them to get one on one matchups the defense has to just live with... it would benefit them exponentially.

Back in those eras you shot 3 threes a game at 39 percent and are considered a great three point shooter. The Warriors has several players that shoot 7-10 a game at 40-45% and ya'll think they're just gonna get run off the court???

People vastly vastly underrate the 2017 Warriors, and then in the next breath say their rings don't count cause they were "Too overpowered".

Well okay then
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:11 pm    Post subject:

KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win
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governator wrote:
KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it


Um.. yeah he was. In 2017 he was just as unstoppable in the Finals.

2001 Shaq WAS insane...
33 PPG
15.8 RPG
4.8 APG
3.4 BPG
57.3% Field Goal
51.3% Free Throw


But here's the reality
2017 KD was also insane
35.2 PPG
8.2 RPG
5.2 APG
1.0 SPG
1.6 BPG
55.6% Field Goal
47.4% Three Pointer (on 7.6 a game)
92.7% Free Throw

Yeah.. those are the kinds of numbers Durant was putting up. It would match whatever Shaq is doing AND the Warriors would be forcing the switch of Shaq onto Durant all night with the intention of making him run, at a pace teams didn't run back then very often. A pace the Warriors can sustain and have proven they can win a Championship with. So yeah, give KD his credit. In the 2017 Finals he was just as scary at a different position.

governator wrote:

Steph is not as good as Kobe


Steph doesn't have to be good as Kobe, Steph just has to be Steph. AI wasn't as good as Kobe and he still dropped 35 on the Lakers a game while being a 20% three point shooter. Imagine what Steph could do.

governator wrote:

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok


48% from three on how many a game?
Fisher shot 48% from three on 3.8 threes a game
Fox shot 46% from three on 3 Threes a game
Horry shot 61% from Three on 2.6 Threes a game
Lue shot 66.7% from three on 1.2 Threes a game

That is how they shot 48% from three in that Finals series
So these main guys their threats from three

That's an average of 55.25% from three on 2.65 three point shots a game

Okay so um... Kevin Durant by himself

7.6 Threes a Game on 47.4% from three

So he's already outmatched all the Lakers three point shooting that entire series by himself...

Now include Steph and Klay into that equation and um...yeah...

I guess the main point is, to try to not go with a take that like the 2001 Lakers would win a three point shootout vs the 2017 Warriors.
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MJST wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Curry is on crack.
No chance in hell the 2017 Warriors beat the 2001 Lakers.
Who guards Shaq? He would kill them.
Who guards Kobe? He would kill them.


Durant was just as unstoppable as Shaq in 2017. SO whatever Shaq did, Durant would match.
Steph would also go toe to toe with Kobe.

So when Durant and Curry cancel out or match Kobe and Shaq. Who on the Lakers matches Klay?

anth2000 wrote:

As those two are constantly doubled, who guards the rest of the Lakers hitting outside shots?


You want the 2001 Lakers to try to match outside shots with the 2017 Warriors???? Do you want them to get blown out?

anth2000 wrote:

Not even close, 2001 Lakers, even without home court, win 4-1, maybe 4-2.


Not happening.

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2001 Lakers are in the discussion as the best team of all time.


So are the 2017 Warriors.

anth2000 wrote:

Warriors, to me, have been overhyped. Historically, they aren't one of the best, in my opinion. Maybe in the top 5 but more likely in the top 7.
Keep in mind, Lebron and Kyrie smoked them after their great 73-9 season after being down 3-1. Cavs punked them.


Keep in mind it took injuries to Curry and Igoudala, a Draymond Suspension, and their last line of defense Andrew Bogut being injured for the Final 2 games. Despite all this the Cavs won Game 7 by single digits. And the 2017 Warriors replaced Harrison Barnes whom was horrible that series with KEVIN DURANT. What happened to that Cavs team the next season? Yeah...

anth2000 wrote:

1985 Lakers were better
1986 Celtics were better
1983 Sixers were better
1972 Lakers were better
2001 Lakers were better
and I am not even talking about the Celtic teams of the 1960's


How do all these teams match up with Curry, Klay and Durant and the three point shooting of the Warriors that none of these teams would be used to, in eras when the rules would have been tremendously in the Warriors favor with no zone defense allowed and you having to 100% commit to double teams or commit to isolations??? What happens when all their bigs are pulled out onto the perimeter to try to guard Durant, leaving the inside wide open, and committed double teams leaving the perimeter wide open?


I don't think people understand how devastating a team like the 2017 Warriors would be if the rules stated you had to commit double teams fully leaving one of them wide open each time. When you have a team that has players on it that shoot 7-8 threes a game on 40%+ from three and then having to leave one of them wide open, or live with isolation on people like Curry and Durant.

You saw how the Bulls dominated all those 90s teams with the Triangle? The Warriors run similar kinds of actions with additional pick and rolls that has been modified with three point shooting and some of D'Antoni's offense thrown in as well. It would be an offense that would have befuddled those eras much like the triangle did.

You can say "But the Triangle only had maximum effectiveness when Jordan had Scottie playing like an all-star." Yeah.. when Jordan got Scottie at an all-star level the triangle dominated all those teams.

Now... Curry has himself.. and he has Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson... in an era you are forced to iso defend.. with the kind of offense the Warriors run... it spells disaster.

Kobe and Shaq will have their 30+ and 27+ and Curry and Durant will have their 30+ and 27+ and then Klay has his 18-20+ and who is the third option on the Lakers you're asking for that??? Horry? Fox? Fisher? And then you have the depth of the Warriors bench on top of that. Who on the Lakers is matching that?

The 2017 Warriors aren't the 2001 Philadelphia 76ers. They're not even the 2000 Spurs. They have 3 all-stars that can go off for 30+ on any given night, on crazy insane efficiency in an era with zone defense which was meant to make life hard on iso players.

Whether people want to admit it or not.. the modern day equivalent to the Showtime Lakers and their dominance of the 80s has been the Golden State Warriors. And their offense takes things that the Lakers AND The Bulls did to success in their offenses and does it in a modern day NBA setting. If they brought this offense and three point shooting to any eras that didn't prioritize it, or that made it easier for them to get one on one matchups the defense has to just live with... it would benefit them exponentially.

Back in those eras you shot 3 threes a game at 39 percent and are considered a great three point shooter. The Warriors has several players that shoot 7-10 a game at 40-45% and ya'll think they're just gonna get run off the court???

People vastly vastly underrate the 2017 Warriors, and then in the next breath say their rings don't count cause they were "Too overpowered".

Well okay then


Did you watch the 2001 Lakers? Just curious. Did you watch the 2000-2002 Lakers teams?

If not, no comment...

If you did, you sound like an analytics person and not a factual person. Comparing Shaq to Durant is like comparing apples to freaking bananas, not even close, dude. Shaq was the most dominant player that ever lived and if he's number one, Durant is number 20+ at best.

Lakers would have crushed them.

And comparing Curry to Thompson to Kobe? Not even freakin close.
Comparing even Durant to Kobe, closer but no....
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:48 pm    Post subject:

anth2000 wrote:
MJST wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Curry is on crack.
No chance in hell the 2017 Warriors beat the 2001 Lakers.
Who guards Shaq? He would kill them.
Who guards Kobe? He would kill them.


Durant was just as unstoppable as Shaq in 2017. SO whatever Shaq did, Durant would match.
Steph would also go toe to toe with Kobe.

So when Durant and Curry cancel out or match Kobe and Shaq. Who on the Lakers matches Klay?

anth2000 wrote:

As those two are constantly doubled, who guards the rest of the Lakers hitting outside shots?


You want the 2001 Lakers to try to match outside shots with the 2017 Warriors???? Do you want them to get blown out?

anth2000 wrote:

Not even close, 2001 Lakers, even without home court, win 4-1, maybe 4-2.


Not happening.

Quote:

2001 Lakers are in the discussion as the best team of all time.


So are the 2017 Warriors.

anth2000 wrote:

Warriors, to me, have been overhyped. Historically, they aren't one of the best, in my opinion. Maybe in the top 5 but more likely in the top 7.
Keep in mind, Lebron and Kyrie smoked them after their great 73-9 season after being down 3-1. Cavs punked them.


Keep in mind it took injuries to Curry and Igoudala, a Draymond Suspension, and their last line of defense Andrew Bogut being injured for the Final 2 games. Despite all this the Cavs won Game 7 by single digits. And the 2017 Warriors replaced Harrison Barnes whom was horrible that series with KEVIN DURANT. What happened to that Cavs team the next season? Yeah...

anth2000 wrote:

1985 Lakers were better
1986 Celtics were better
1983 Sixers were better
1972 Lakers were better
2001 Lakers were better
and I am not even talking about the Celtic teams of the 1960's


How do all these teams match up with Curry, Klay and Durant and the three point shooting of the Warriors that none of these teams would be used to, in eras when the rules would have been tremendously in the Warriors favor with no zone defense allowed and you having to 100% commit to double teams or commit to isolations??? What happens when all their bigs are pulled out onto the perimeter to try to guard Durant, leaving the inside wide open, and committed double teams leaving the perimeter wide open?


I don't think people understand how devastating a team like the 2017 Warriors would be if the rules stated you had to commit double teams fully leaving one of them wide open each time. When you have a team that has players on it that shoot 7-8 threes a game on 40%+ from three and then having to leave one of them wide open, or live with isolation on people like Curry and Durant.

You saw how the Bulls dominated all those 90s teams with the Triangle? The Warriors run similar kinds of actions with additional pick and rolls that has been modified with three point shooting and some of D'Antoni's offense thrown in as well. It would be an offense that would have befuddled those eras much like the triangle did.

You can say "But the Triangle only had maximum effectiveness when Jordan had Scottie playing like an all-star." Yeah.. when Jordan got Scottie at an all-star level the triangle dominated all those teams.

Now... Curry has himself.. and he has Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson... in an era you are forced to iso defend.. with the kind of offense the Warriors run... it spells disaster.

Kobe and Shaq will have their 30+ and 27+ and Curry and Durant will have their 30+ and 27+ and then Klay has his 18-20+ and who is the third option on the Lakers you're asking for that??? Horry? Fox? Fisher? And then you have the depth of the Warriors bench on top of that. Who on the Lakers is matching that?

The 2017 Warriors aren't the 2001 Philadelphia 76ers. They're not even the 2000 Spurs. They have 3 all-stars that can go off for 30+ on any given night, on crazy insane efficiency in an era with zone defense which was meant to make life hard on iso players.

Whether people want to admit it or not.. the modern day equivalent to the Showtime Lakers and their dominance of the 80s has been the Golden State Warriors. And their offense takes things that the Lakers AND The Bulls did to success in their offenses and does it in a modern day NBA setting. If they brought this offense and three point shooting to any eras that didn't prioritize it, or that made it easier for them to get one on one matchups the defense has to just live with... it would benefit them exponentially.

Back in those eras you shot 3 threes a game at 39 percent and are considered a great three point shooter. The Warriors has several players that shoot 7-10 a game at 40-45% and ya'll think they're just gonna get run off the court???

People vastly vastly underrate the 2017 Warriors, and then in the next breath say their rings don't count cause they were "Too overpowered".

Well okay then


Did you watch the 2001 Lakers? Just curious. Did you watch the 2000-2002 Lakers teams?

If not, no comment...

If you did, you sound like an analytics person and not a factual person. Comparing Shaq to Durant is like comparing apples to freaking bananas, not even close, dude. Shaq was the most dominant player that ever lived and if he's number one, Durant is number 20+ at best.

Lakers would have crushed them.

And comparing Curry to Thompson to Kobe? Not even freakin close.
Comparing even Durant to Kobe, closer but no....


yeah i dont think he really watched the 2001 team. Shaq went through Sabonis/Grant/Kemp/Jermain Oneal, Vlade/Webber, Duncan/Robinson, Diekembe (DPOY) and still put up better numbers than KD

KD played a bad defensive team in the Cavs in the finals and comparing those arent the same.

Also he keeps talking about a zone defense like anyone actually plays that vs the Warriors even when its allowed, basketball knowledge is questionable at best
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governator wrote:
KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win


KD was as dominant on the perimeter as Shaq was inside.

Curry and Kobe is washed... Specially a young Kobe in 2001.

Let's get real... No one is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 3 point shootout... Warriors pretty much doubles Lakers point production from 3.

No zone defense plus illegal defense. Good luck guarding those 3 guys on the perimeter. Shaq will be so ineffective on the defensive end. Warriors will hunt him and Fox down all day. Shoot over Fisher easily.
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GS got the shooters, but people forgot how big, physical and agile shaq is back then. By the time fourth quarter your body is not the same with the and shot wont fall down the stretch. Except for Green I don't see anyone that plays the physical style of ball back then. Lakers are full of players that play that dirty style where a foul is not just slap in the wrist but have some intention behind it. Will GS make is a good series yes but I believe the Lakers will prevail in 6 or 7 games
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GS got the shooters, but people forgot how big, physical and agile shaq is back then. By the time fourth quarter your body is not the same with the and shot wont fall down the stretch. Except for Green I don't see anyone that plays the physical style of ball back then. Lakers are full of players that play that dirty style where a foul is not just slap in the wrist but have some intention behind it. Will GS make is a good series yes but I believe the Lakers will prevail in 6 or 7 games


Warriors pace and off ball movement will also take a toll on Shaq and he will have to try to keep up all 4th quarters. And only one really taking a beating from Shaq are the Warriors bigs. They have Zaza and West to throw at Shaq. Who has no problem playing physical and dirty at times... Shaq and Kobe will get their numbers. Plus no one is really questioning Shaq's dominance.

People seems to ignore that in 2001... Kobe was not even Kobe then.
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anth2000 wrote:

Did you watch the 2001 Lakers? Just curious. Did you watch the 2000-2002 Lakers teams?


Yep. I watched them way before that too.

anth2000 wrote:

If you did, you sound like an analytics person and not a factual person. Comparing Shaq to Durant is like comparing apples to freaking bananas, not even close, dude. Shaq was the most dominant player that ever lived and if he's number one, Durant is number 20+ at best.


You keep ignoring the obvious point being made. You can scream "BUT SHAQ WAS UNSTOPPABLE!" all you want about the 2001 Finals. The point REMAINS that so was Durant in the 2017 Finals. You keep freaking ignoring it like the point is gonna go away, I will say it for the third time since so many want to keep ignoring this fact.

2001 Shaq WAS insane...
33 PPG
15.8 RPG
4.8 APG
3.4 BPG
57.3% Field Goal
51.3% Free Throw


But here's the reality
2017 KD was also insane
35.2 PPG
8.2 RPG
5.2 APG
1.0 SPG
1.6 BPG
55.6% Field Goal
47.4% Three Pointer (on 7.6 a game)
92.7% Free Throw

Yeah.. those are the kinds of numbers Durant was putting up. It would match whatever Shaq is doing AND the Warriors would be forcing the switch of Shaq onto Durant all night with the intention of making him run, at a pace teams didn't run back then very often. A pace the Warriors can sustain and have proven they can win a Championship with. So yeah, give KD his credit. In the 2017 Finals he was just as scary at a different position.

Durant was playing at another level in 2017, very akin to the dominance Shaq displayed, just at different positions. You can keep ignoring this over and over again and screaming about how dominant Shaq was in the 2001 Finals, and the reality will still remain that Durant was too, at just as insane a level. Just at a different position.

anth2000 wrote:

Lakers would have crushed them.


How? Again, the level Durant played at would have essentially matched what Shaq was doing. And yes I joyfully watched Shaq run through an old Mutumbo that didn't deserve DPOY that season and watched him destroy an out of his prime and body wrecked Sabonis. I watched Shaq run through great players and once great players. One of our greatest advantages was that the teams in the East didn't have a center that could match up with Shaq which was why particularly in the 2001 Finals, while prior we were running an offense through Kobe, against the Spurs especially which I took particularly joy in watching be decimated. But went to Shaq for the Finals.

Shaq was amazing, however, so was 2017 Durant. Keep ignoring that reality if you want to, but Durant in 2017 was that scary. Trying to ignore that doesn't make your case stronger, it makes it worse.

anth2000 wrote:

And comparing Curry to Thompson to Kobe? Not even freakin close.
Comparing even Durant to Kobe, closer but no....


Already said that Curry doesn't have to be better than Kobe, he just has to be Curry. AI wasn't better than Kobe and he still torched the Lakers for 35 a game while being a 20% three point shooter. Once more, imagine what Curry would do, as he's a much better and efficient scorer and shooter than Allen Iverson, Nostalgia of 21 years ago doesn't negate that fact.

Also I don't compare Thompson to Kobe. But I don't need to, as Thompson is the third option on the 2017 Warriors team. One nobody else on the Lakers have anyone to match with in terms of production or as a player.

So again, Curry and KD and Shaq and Kobe cancel each other out. The Lakers still have nobody to deal with Thompson and what he's doing, nor do they match up against the depth of the Warriors bench.

Whether this is in an era where you have to commit to double teams and leave them wide open, or the modern era where zone defense is allowed. The Warriors based on their style of play alone have an advantage.

You can go on and on about how great Shaq was, but don't ignore how scary Durant was in 2017 as if he wasn't gonna be there putting up 35+ too. And if it's an era where the rules dictate that KD gets to be in iso 90% of the time, or you leave Curry wide open? It could get even worse.
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Shaq put up 33 ppg in a 100 pt pace
KD put up 35 at 117
If anybody was ‘close’ to Shaq dominance, it was LeBron and it wasn’t close
Stop it

Steph and Kobe… they are not a wash, Steph was a wash with Kyrie, c’mon now

Lakers win
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Klay playoff stats

15 PPG
39% FG
38% 3pt
48% EFG

Fisher

13.5 PPG
48% FG
51% 3pt
59% EFG

look at this, looks like Fisher was better than Klay in those playoffs so Klay = Fisher and Kobe/Shaq >> Curry/KD, i mean if you take KD's finals numbers and compare them to shaq's and come to the conclusion they were equally dominant

Now im taking Lakers in 5.
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GS got the shooters, but people forgot how big, physical and agile shaq is back then. By the time fourth quarter your body is not the same with the and shot wont fall down the stretch. Except for Green I don't see anyone that plays the physical style of ball back then. Lakers are full of players that play that dirty style where a foul is not just slap in the wrist but have some intention behind it. Will GS make is a good series yes but I believe the Lakers will prevail in 6 or 7 games


Warriors pace and off ball movement will also take a toll on Shaq and he will have to try to keep up all 4th quarters. And only one really taking a beating from Shaq are the Warriors bigs. They have Zaza and West to throw at Shaq. Who has no problem playing physical and dirty at times... Shaq and Kobe will get their numbers. Plus no one is really questioning Shaq's dominance.

People seems to ignore that in 2001... Kobe was not even Kobe then.


yet

In the 2001 WC playoffs Kobe averaged 31.1ppg on 49% FG. All three opponents were 50 win teams.

Round Opponent Pts Rebs Assts FG Stls Blks
3 Spurs 33.3 7.0 7.0 .514 1.5 .8
2 Kings 35.0 9.0 4.3 473 1.3 .5
1 Blazers 25.0 4.3 7.7 .481 2.3 0.0

and not a cupcake schedule like the warriors had in the WC playoffs


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GS got the shooters, but people forgot how big, physical and agile shaq is back then. By the time fourth quarter your body is not the same with the and shot wont fall down the stretch. Except for Green I don't see anyone that plays the physical style of ball back then. Lakers are full of players that play that dirty style where a foul is not just slap in the wrist but have some intention behind it. Will GS make is a good series yes but I believe the Lakers will prevail in 6 or 7 games


Warriors pace and off ball movement will also take a toll on Shaq and he will have to try to keep up all 4th quarters. And only one really taking a beating from Shaq are the Warriors bigs. They have Zaza and West to throw at Shaq. Who has no problem playing physical and dirty at times... Shaq and Kobe will get their numbers. Plus no one is really questioning Shaq's dominance.

People seems to ignore that in 2001... Kobe was not even Kobe then.


Man either you have not seen the lakers back 2001 or your have forgotten. 36 yr old West or Green or Zaza are midgets compare to prime 28 year old shaq. BTW Kobe is also that dominant back then, as dominant as shaq was in 2001 Kobe is right there only 16 pts less than shaq total payoff score. If you are playing with the 2001 rules Lakers win. 2017 rules with all the acting players do now a days shaq strength gets neutralized since a tiny bump from him would equal a foul or offensive foul.
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KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win


KD was as dominant on the perimeter as Shaq was inside.

Curry and Kobe is washed... Specially a young Kobe in 2001.

Let's get real... No one is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 3 point shootout... Warriors pretty much doubles Lakers point production from 3.

No zone defense plus illegal defense. Good luck guarding those 3 guys on the perimeter. Shaq will be so ineffective on the defensive end. Warriors will hunt him and Fox down all day. Shoot over Fisher easily.


Sorry to break it to you bro but nobody wants to play a zone defense vs the Warriors since it leaves you to give up open 3s

and a illegal defense would favor shaq big time since you cant double him down low until he gets the ball. nobody will be doubling any warriors on the perimeter if they dont have the ball so illegal defense doesnt do much for them.
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miggz23 wrote:
governator wrote:
KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win


KD was as dominant on the perimeter as Shaq was inside.

Curry and Kobe is washed... Specially a young Kobe in 2001.

Let's get real... No one is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 3 point shootout... Warriors pretty much doubles Lakers point production from 3.

No zone defense plus illegal defense. Good luck guarding those 3 guys on the perimeter. Shaq will be so ineffective on the defensive end. Warriors will hunt him and Fox down all day. Shoot over Fisher easily.


Sorry to break it to you bro but nobody wants to play a zone defense vs the Warriors since it leaves you to give up open 3s

and a illegal defense would favor shaq big time since you cant double him down low until he gets the ball. nobody will be doubling any warriors on the perimeter if they dont have the ball so illegal defense doesnt do much for them.


That's when the Warriors make Shaq pays... Who's ever his guarding will be setting screens way above the 3pt line... You think Shaq goes out all the way there to switch or trap? What ever he does advantage to the Warriors.
Switch and guard KD or Curry one on one? Trap and leave his man open when he rolls to the basket? Or sag off and give up an open 3?

Shaq puts up his numbers no question... The question can that Lakers team hold that Warriors team under 100pts? They barely put 100 vs that one man show 76ers team. That with them shooting 48% from 3.
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Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
governator wrote:
KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win


KD was as dominant on the perimeter as Shaq was inside.

Curry and Kobe is washed... Specially a young Kobe in 2001.

Let's get real... No one is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 3 point shootout... Warriors pretty much doubles Lakers point production from 3.

No zone defense plus illegal defense. Good luck guarding those 3 guys on the perimeter. Shaq will be so ineffective on the defensive end. Warriors will hunt him and Fox down all day. Shoot over Fisher easily.


Sorry to break it to you bro but nobody wants to play a zone defense vs the Warriors since it leaves you to give up open 3s

and a illegal defense would favor shaq big time since you cant double him down low until he gets the ball. nobody will be doubling any warriors on the perimeter if they dont have the ball so illegal defense doesnt do much for them.


That's when the Warriors make Shaq pays... Who's ever his guarding will be setting screens way above the 3pt line... You think Shaq goes out all the way there to switch or trap? What ever he does advantage to the Warriors.
Switch and guard KD or Curry one on one? Trap and leave his man open when he rolls to the basket? Or sag off and give up an open 3?

Shaq puts up his numbers no question... The question can that Lakers team hold that Warriors team under 100pts? They barely put 100 vs that one man show 76ers team. That with them shooting 48% from 3.


but you have no understanding of what illegal defense was back then

anyways, if zaza and draymond are there setting screens, you trap the Curry and Durant. you got 2 non shooters on the court every time, even if you have Draymond and Iggy out there. Its what the Rockets did in 2018 and should have beat them. Capella was no defensive monster, yet he was able to play the majority of mins and did well. Shaq was just as good as him or better defensively in 2000 and 2001. he did fall off a bit in 2002.
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miggz23 wrote:
Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
governator wrote:
KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win


KD was as dominant on the perimeter as Shaq was inside.

Curry and Kobe is washed... Specially a young Kobe in 2001.

Let's get real... No one is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 3 point shootout... Warriors pretty much doubles Lakers point production from 3.

No zone defense plus illegal defense. Good luck guarding those 3 guys on the perimeter. Shaq will be so ineffective on the defensive end. Warriors will hunt him and Fox down all day. Shoot over Fisher easily.


Sorry to break it to you bro but nobody wants to play a zone defense vs the Warriors since it leaves you to give up open 3s

and a illegal defense would favor shaq big time since you cant double him down low until he gets the ball. nobody will be doubling any warriors on the perimeter if they dont have the ball so illegal defense doesnt do much for them.


That's when the Warriors make Shaq pays... Who's ever his guarding will be setting screens way above the 3pt line... You think Shaq goes out all the way there to switch or trap? What ever he does advantage to the Warriors.
Switch and guard KD or Curry one on one? Trap and leave his man open when he rolls to the basket? Or sag off and give up an open 3?

Shaq puts up his numbers no question... The question can that Lakers team hold that Warriors team under 100pts? They barely put 100 vs that one man show 76ers team. That with them shooting 48% from 3.


but you have no understanding of what illegal defense was back then

anyways, if zaza and draymond are there setting screens, you trap the Curry and Durant. you got 2 non shooters on the court every time, even if you have Draymond and Iggy out there. Its what the Rockets did in 2018 and should have beat them. Capella was no defensive monster, yet he was able to play the majority of mins and did well. Shaq was just as good as him or better defensively in 2000 and 2001. he did fall off a bit in 2002.


Whats funny is that, Warriors have always played with 2 none shooters on the floor but for some reason they never had issues putting up high scores with high efficiency. Their ball movement and off the ball action is one of the best I have seen. If you trap Curry, they either get an open layup or an open 3. Those 3 guys shoot the ball lights out anywhere on the court. No matter where, how deep, or with a hand on their face. They will exploit hand checking and pump fakes to draw fouls also.

Illegal defense does not benefit Shaq or Lakers perimeter on defense. It only helps Shaq on the offensive end. Warriors probably will be glad to trade 3 for 2 all game. They will let Shaq get his number with mixing up bodies on him and hope it slows him down a bit. I don't expect the Lakers to shoot 48% from 3 with Warriors perimeter defense and length.
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Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
governator wrote:
KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win


KD was as dominant on the perimeter as Shaq was inside.

Curry and Kobe is washed... Specially a young Kobe in 2001.

Let's get real... No one is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 3 point shootout... Warriors pretty much doubles Lakers point production from 3.

No zone defense plus illegal defense. Good luck guarding those 3 guys on the perimeter. Shaq will be so ineffective on the defensive end. Warriors will hunt him and Fox down all day. Shoot over Fisher easily.


Sorry to break it to you bro but nobody wants to play a zone defense vs the Warriors since it leaves you to give up open 3s

and a illegal defense would favor shaq big time since you cant double him down low until he gets the ball. nobody will be doubling any warriors on the perimeter if they dont have the ball so illegal defense doesnt do much for them.


That's when the Warriors make Shaq pays... Who's ever his guarding will be setting screens way above the 3pt line... You think Shaq goes out all the way there to switch or trap? What ever he does advantage to the Warriors.
Switch and guard KD or Curry one on one? Trap and leave his man open when he rolls to the basket? Or sag off and give up an open 3?

Shaq puts up his numbers no question... The question can that Lakers team hold that Warriors team under 100pts? They barely put 100 vs that one man show 76ers team. That with them shooting 48% from 3.


but you have no understanding of what illegal defense was back then

anyways, if zaza and draymond are there setting screens, you trap the Curry and Durant. you got 2 non shooters on the court every time, even if you have Draymond and Iggy out there. Its what the Rockets did in 2018 and should have beat them. Capella was no defensive monster, yet he was able to play the majority of mins and did well. Shaq was just as good as him or better defensively in 2000 and 2001. he did fall off a bit in 2002.


Whats funny is that, Warriors have always played with 2 none shooters on the floor but for some reason they never had issues putting up high scores with high efficiency. Their ball movement and off the ball action is one of the best I have seen. If you trap Curry, they either get an open layup or an open 3. Those 3 guys shoot the ball lights out anywhere on the court. No matter where, how deep, or with a hand on their face. They will exploit hand checking and pump fakes to draw fouls also.

Illegal defense does not benefit Shaq or Lakers perimeter on defense. It only helps Shaq on the offensive end. Warriors probably will be glad to trade 3 for 2 all game. They will let Shaq get his number with mixing up bodies on him and hope it slows him down a bit. I don't expect the Lakers to shoot 48% from 3 with Warriors perimeter defense and length.


I'm confident the 2001 version of shaq can stick to KD and Curry if needed in spurts if they did switch. He wasnt slow of foot but lacked effort. His effort went up by 20 notches when a game mattered though and he was absolutely in his prime in 2001.

But overall i think they'd prefer he stuck with either Draymond or Zaza on those screens or just trapped.

Like i said, rockets were able to pull it off because they ran Capella and 4 perimeter players. Lakers had that luxury with Horry, Fox, Kobe and Fisher who all could hit open 3s. and also were excellent defenders. (Curry would be the weakest defender on the court at all times in any scenario, not shaq)

Also if the Warriors decided to go small with Draymond at center, Shaq would have about 30 rebounds a game. Zaza or some other non shooting center would have always had to be in with Draymond to even make it close but then they lose all their ability in scheme. Curry/Klay/KD and 2 non shooters < Shaq plus 4 shooters. no contest at all
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Shaq put up 33 ppg in a 100 pt pace
KD put up 35 at 117
If anybody was ‘close’ to Shaq dominance, it was LeBron and it wasn’t close
Stop it

Steph and Kobe… they are not a wash, Steph was a wash with Kyrie, c’mon now

Lakers win


These hot takes help no one, especially when they're outright lies.

In 2017 Steph Curry averaged

26.8 PPG
8.0 RPG
9.4 APG
2.2 SPG
44% Field Goal
38% From Three
89.7% Free Throw

against Kyrie

Stop with the hot takes and lies. Not to mention Steph just averaged 31 in the Finals vs the Number 1 Defensive Team in the League and Defensive Player of the Year that plays Steph's own position. So yeah, enough with the ESPN hot takes.


Also with LeBron + Kyrie's effort that series and the inclusion of Kevin Love The Cavs still lost 4-1.

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I'm confident the 2001 version of shaq can stick to KD and Curry if needed in spurts if they did switch.


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Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
governator wrote:
KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win


KD was as dominant on the perimeter as Shaq was inside.

Curry and Kobe is washed... Specially a young Kobe in 2001.

Let's get real... No one is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 3 point shootout... Warriors pretty much doubles Lakers point production from 3.

No zone defense plus illegal defense. Good luck guarding those 3 guys on the perimeter. Shaq will be so ineffective on the defensive end. Warriors will hunt him and Fox down all day. Shoot over Fisher easily.


Sorry to break it to you bro but nobody wants to play a zone defense vs the Warriors since it leaves you to give up open 3s

and a illegal defense would favor shaq big time since you cant double him down low until he gets the ball. nobody will be doubling any warriors on the perimeter if they dont have the ball so illegal defense doesnt do much for them.


That's when the Warriors make Shaq pays... Who's ever his guarding will be setting screens way above the 3pt line... You think Shaq goes out all the way there to switch or trap? What ever he does advantage to the Warriors.
Switch and guard KD or Curry one on one? Trap and leave his man open when he rolls to the basket? Or sag off and give up an open 3?

Shaq puts up his numbers no question... The question can that Lakers team hold that Warriors team under 100pts? They barely put 100 vs that one man show 76ers team. That with them shooting 48% from 3.


but you have no understanding of what illegal defense was back then

anyways, if zaza and draymond are there setting screens, you trap the Curry and Durant. you got 2 non shooters on the court every time, even if you have Draymond and Iggy out there. Its what the Rockets did in 2018 and should have beat them. Capella was no defensive monster, yet he was able to play the majority of mins and did well. Shaq was just as good as him or better defensively in 2000 and 2001. he did fall off a bit in 2002.


Whats funny is that, Warriors have always played with 2 none shooters on the floor but for some reason they never had issues putting up high scores with high efficiency. Their ball movement and off the ball action is one of the best I have seen. If you trap Curry, they either get an open layup or an open 3. Those 3 guys shoot the ball lights out anywhere on the court. No matter where, how deep, or with a hand on their face. They will exploit hand checking and pump fakes to draw fouls also.

Illegal defense does not benefit Shaq or Lakers perimeter on defense. It only helps Shaq on the offensive end. Warriors probably will be glad to trade 3 for 2 all game. They will let Shaq get his number with mixing up bodies on him and hope it slows him down a bit. I don't expect the Lakers to shoot 48% from 3 with Warriors perimeter defense and length.


I'm confident the 2001 version of shaq can stick to KD and Curry if needed in spurts if they did switch. He wasnt slow of foot but lacked effort. His effort went up by 20 notches when a game mattered though and he was absolutely in his prime in 2001.

But overall i think they'd prefer he stuck with either Draymond or Zaza on those screens or just trapped.

Like i said, rockets were able to pull it off because they ran Capella and 4 perimeter players. Lakers had that luxury with Horry, Fox, Kobe and Fisher who all could hit open 3s. and also were excellent defenders. (Curry would be the weakest defender on the court at all times in any scenario, not shaq)

Also if the Warriors decided to go small with Draymond at center, Shaq would have about 30 rebounds a game. Zaza or some other non shooting center would have always had to be in with Draymond to even make it close but then they lose all their ability in scheme. Curry/Klay/KD and 2 non shooters < Shaq plus 4 shooters. no contest at all


One of the reason Rockets were able to hang with the Warriors was because they were able to out made the Warriors outside by 1. But they were not as efficient as the Warriors, reason they end up losing at the end. Shaq with 4 shooters is different with Capella and 4 shooters. That Lakers team were not made that way and plays that kind of offense. No way that Lakers team is launching 200+ 3s in a series. Phil's offense was not designed that way.

Those Lakers shooters better shoot at a higher clip. Not at 1-3 attempts per game. If they start shooting more the more shots it takes away from Shaq and Kobe. Lakers will have to out shoot the Warriors and slow that offense down at the same time. Which is hard to do. Miller alone were able to put up numbers vs the Lakers in 2000... Now imagine having to deal with 3 of those guys with two of them being a better and more complete offensive players.

Shaq and Kobe will get theirs. But at the end this comes down to Lakers supporting cast, Can they out shoot the Warriors and slow that Warriors offense down.


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miggz23 wrote:
Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
Nnamdi21 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
governator wrote:
KD ain't as dominant/unstoppable as Shaq, stop it

Steph is not as good as Kobe

In a shoot out, 2001 Lakers are dropping 48% from 3s, they be ok

Lakers win


KD was as dominant on the perimeter as Shaq was inside.

Curry and Kobe is washed... Specially a young Kobe in 2001.

Let's get real... No one is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 3 point shootout... Warriors pretty much doubles Lakers point production from 3.

No zone defense plus illegal defense. Good luck guarding those 3 guys on the perimeter. Shaq will be so ineffective on the defensive end. Warriors will hunt him and Fox down all day. Shoot over Fisher easily.


Sorry to break it to you bro but nobody wants to play a zone defense vs the Warriors since it leaves you to give up open 3s

and a illegal defense would favor shaq big time since you cant double him down low until he gets the ball. nobody will be doubling any warriors on the perimeter if they dont have the ball so illegal defense doesnt do much for them.


That's when the Warriors make Shaq pays... Who's ever his guarding will be setting screens way above the 3pt line... You think Shaq goes out all the way there to switch or trap? What ever he does advantage to the Warriors.
Switch and guard KD or Curry one on one? Trap and leave his man open when he rolls to the basket? Or sag off and give up an open 3?

Shaq puts up his numbers no question... The question can that Lakers team hold that Warriors team under 100pts? They barely put 100 vs that one man show 76ers team. That with them shooting 48% from 3.


but you have no understanding of what illegal defense was back then

anyways, if zaza and draymond are there setting screens, you trap the Curry and Durant. you got 2 non shooters on the court every time, even if you have Draymond and Iggy out there. Its what the Rockets did in 2018 and should have beat them. Capella was no defensive monster, yet he was able to play the majority of mins and did well. Shaq was just as good as him or better defensively in 2000 and 2001. he did fall off a bit in 2002.


Whats funny is that, Warriors have always played with 2 none shooters on the floor but for some reason they never had issues putting up high scores with high efficiency. Their ball movement and off the ball action is one of the best I have seen. If you trap Curry, they either get an open layup or an open 3. Those 3 guys shoot the ball lights out anywhere on the court. No matter where, how deep, or with a hand on their face. They will exploit hand checking and pump fakes to draw fouls also.

Illegal defense does not benefit Shaq or Lakers perimeter on defense. It only helps Shaq on the offensive end. Warriors probably will be glad to trade 3 for 2 all game. They will let Shaq get his number with mixing up bodies on him and hope it slows him down a bit. I don't expect the Lakers to shoot 48% from 3 with Warriors perimeter defense and length.


I'm confident the 2001 version of shaq can stick to KD and Curry if needed in spurts if they did switch. He wasnt slow of foot but lacked effort. His effort went up by 20 notches when a game mattered though and he was absolutely in his prime in 2001.

But overall i think they'd prefer he stuck with either Draymond or Zaza on those screens or just trapped.

Like i said, rockets were able to pull it off because they ran Capella and 4 perimeter players. Lakers had that luxury with Horry, Fox, Kobe and Fisher who all could hit open 3s. and also were excellent defenders. (Curry would be the weakest defender on the court at all times in any scenario, not shaq)

Also if the Warriors decided to go small with Draymond at center, Shaq would have about 30 rebounds a game. Zaza or some other non shooting center would have always had to be in with Draymond to even make it close but then they lose all their ability in scheme. Curry/Klay/KD and 2 non shooters < Shaq plus 4 shooters. no contest at all


One of the reason Rockets were able to hang with the Warriors was because they were able to out made the Warriors outside by 1. But they were not as efficient as the Warriors reason they end up losing at the end. Shaq with 4 shooters is different with Capella and 4 shooters. That Lakers team were not made that way and play that kind of offense. No way that Lakers team is launching 200+ 3s in a series. Phil's offense was not designed that way.

Those Lakers shooters better shoot at a higher clip. Not at 1-3 attempts per game. If they start shooting more the more shots it takes away from Shaq and Kobe. Lakers will have to out shoot the Warriors and slow that offense down at the same time. Which is hard to do.



If someone tries to argue that the 2001 Lakers would out Fred Astaire, Fred Astaire. It's best to just leave the argument at that point.

The words "The 2001 Lakers would outshoot the 2017 Warriors" should never be uttered by anything other than the Nick Wrights of the world, and they do it for money and clicks knowing it's a horrible take.

They'll say stuff like Shaq would be able to stay with Durant or Steph if switched on the perimeter But if you tell them Klay would be defending Fisher they'll likely act like it doesn't matter.

The collective effort of LeBron freaking James and Kyrie Irving playing Super Nova and Kevin Love playing at a high level as a third option amounted to 1 win against the 2017 Warriors and people think that Derek Fisher will be the difference maker in this matchup

LeBron James averaged
33.6 PPG
12.0 RPG
10.0 APG
1.4 SPG
1.0 BPG
on 56.4% Field Goal
and 38.7% From Three

Kyrie Irving averaged
29.4 PPG
4.0 RPG
4.4 APG
1.0 SPG
on 47.2% Field Goal
and 41.4% From Three

Kevin Love averaged
16.0 PPG
11.2 RPG
1.0 APG
2.2 SPG
1.0 BPG
on 38% field Goal(cause he shot mostly threes)
and 38.7% from Three

JR Smith averaged
11.8 PPG
on 54.1% Field Goal
and 58.1% From Three
As one of his most efficient performances in the Playoffs ever.


They put in all that effort in their series vs the 2017 Warriors.

They won... one game. After only losing one game the entire Playoffs up to that point.

Two ALL TIME GREAT performances + One 3rd Option All-Star Performance + The Role players stepping up big time.

Amounted to one win.

They should let that marinate.
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