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Hero Ball
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | They seem to have felt the load of being a starting PG would wear Lebron down. In a way if you look at Lebron's own shooting and ways of attacking, it does seem things got easier for him and he started to play way more off the ball when Dennis (and then WB) came to town. You saw a lot more SG type of sets from Lebron. Just spotting up and just moving off the ball and a catch.
The thing is offense comes and goes. If you even make a deal to change that would have been nice to have kept our defensive identity. We moved away from the shotblocking and elite rim protection that AD/McGee gave and then the size in the backcourt. We went with a slower Gasol, and then a small PG who was easily roasted in switches.
What made the 2019 team a championship team was moreso their defense than their offense. They had some of the best defense i have ever seen from a Lakers team. We needed to mantain our defensive talent/size. That was the real shooting yourself in the foot GM'ing. |
On paper, what replaced the bubble team was impressive.
We also had Drummond at the buyout.
We relied on offense vs defense, yes.
If AD didn't get injured who knows?
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Because wings are really expensive. So is keeping your own guys on contract extensions.
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joeblow
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | what bout signing kief? is his neck healed from getting into a pissing contest last year with joker?
| joeblow wrote: | OP, you are leaving out some key, very specific supporting roles in your post aside from KCP and DG.
On paper, there are at least some names that could in theory take on those roles you bring up since we have a ton of players on the roster that are 6'6" or shorter. The same is true with the center position... we have names on paper to replace McGee and D12.
But who do we have to take on 6'7" Kuzma's place, or 6'9" Morris' place? The back up forwards with defensive and rebounding abilities is where we are lacking the most compared to the 2020 squad. I mean, there's Gabriel and who else?
If we are able to add more players to the roster, getting another guard or two should be a much lower priority than getting defensive forwards with legit, traditional size. |
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He's worth a looksie, but he's 32 now, has had that injury, and overall might not have the fire in his belly to be that dawg we need as a back up defensive PF since he already won a ring with us.
In the end, there may not be too many options unless a concentrated effort is made to trade for a decent role player like what he was for us. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:18 am Post subject: Re: PG LeBron + 2 SG (KCP & DG) = Ring. So why does the FO keep going away from that? |
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| Clark Kent wrote: | Lakers won the championship when LeBron was our PG with 3&D guys at the wing in Pope and Green.
After that, we signed/traded for players that would essentially take the ball off LeBron’s hands: Schröder and then Westbrook, while giving up the 3&D.
Why aren’t Lakers letting LeBron be the PG and just sign 2 players in the backcourt who can defend and shoot? |
lakers won because Lebron and AD were healthy that year, simple as that. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | Here's another one: why did Pelinka sign a 3-pt shooting center after they've just won a championship with 2 non-shooting centers on the roster?
Because Pelinka as a first year GM had no freaking clues about anything and just gotten very lucky all those players that he signed fell into his lap. Rondo, Howard, and Kieff were like the left overs that no other teams wanted and they were like the only choice at the time.
Hence why after winning the championship, Pelinka tore the team down making major unnecessary changes. Why? because he didn't really understand the value and fit of those players. He just got lucky he signed them in the first place!!!
Now Jeanie is probably going to give him at least three more years because he "won" a championship.  |
I disagree. One thing missing from last year's team was a versatile big who could both stretch the floor and play decent D while still keeping AD from getting banged around with too many minutes at the 5.
Kieff could do that as a 4/ small-ball 5, and added the versatility that McGee could not and the offense Dwight could not.
We had NONE of that last year between an even older Dwight and a less mobile DAJ.
Jones and Bryant give us height we sorely lacked last year, plus vertical game (Jones) and some stretch ability (Bryant). Adding Turner could potentially be like a younger, longer Kieff. He wouldn't bring the same 3/4 capability on D, but the defense in paint, rebounding, and shooting would be there. |
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | lakersboy wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | NGL, I was estatic when we traded Danny for Schroeder because he was going to bolster our bench as a 6th man, instead we made him a starter, smh. |
That wasn’t even the main issue with the trade. It was Pelinka being a careless idiot with first round picks and traded THAT along with Green for that scrub Schroder.
…..that first round pick that would have had us drafting DESMOND BANE! The sniper from 3 and great defensive wing player that this team lacks.
Desmond Bane on this team, especially with Lebron would have single handedly extended this championship window. |
Agree but Dennis was coming off his best season ever so it was going to cost to get him. Hindsight is an easy game to play. That said, Bane is quite literally the perfect 2 guard for this team. And on top of that you still have AC, Kuz, KCP + the pick you traded for WB that could've been Herb Jones... yup, Rob is a bit reckless and trigger happy. |
Because of that, I’ve lost virtually all enthusiasm for this team. I’ve never been lower on them than I am now, even during some of the non playoff years. |
Similar. Mostly because last season was without question, the worst Lakers season I ever had the displeasure of watching in my life. Never have I seen a team so awful to watch, and so boring. Even during the tank years, there was excitement and flashes of excellent play, especially from exciting young talent. Even during that 2013 season with all the (bleep) that happened with the awful start that lead to Mike Brown being fired, hiring Dantoni over Phil, Dwight not quite being prime Dwight, and of course, Kobe tearing his Achilles. But even then, it had Kobe heroic performances and the Lakers being legit the hottest team in the league at the 2nd half of the season.
What I saw last season, abysmal couldn’t even describe it. Few words could. People had to have watched that team play to REALLY, TRULY know, how incredibly bad and unfun that team was. Not just seeing the record on paper. Lebron scoring 40+ point games or whatever didn’t do (bleep) for me, because those performances felt so lifeless. |
I agree completely. Excitement is gone. During past losing years,, I enjoyed what could be and watched everything. I trusted mgmt and rooted for the product on the floor. I don't even want to emotionally invest in rooting for guys who might not be there. I'm numb to guys they bring in now. How long before the next bone headed trade? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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At the end of the day, you still need a secondary ball handler if/when LeBron isn't bringing the ball up the court. That's part of the reason why the Lakers brought in Schroder, but unfortunately he only bought into what he wanted to show. And it failed miserably.
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| Karmaloop wrote: | | At the end of the day, you still need a secondary ball handler if/when LeBron isn't bringing the ball up the court. That's part of the reason why the Lakers brought in Schroder, but unfortunately he only bought into what he wanted to show. And it failed miserably. |
We need a secondary ball-handler so that LeBron won't have to bring the ball upcourt on every single possession. If he did that, it would take way too much out of him at age 37/38.
Nunn can not only do that, but he is an effective 3-point shooter off the ball, which would make him a good complement next to LeBron and allow both of them to play together at the same time. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Karmaloop wrote: | | At the end of the day, you still need a secondary ball handler if/when LeBron isn't bringing the ball up the court. That's part of the reason why the Lakers brought in Schroder, but unfortunately he only bought into what he wanted to show. And it failed miserably. |
It's worth remembering that we were 21-6 when Davis got hurt that year. That's about the time when we supposedly offered Schroder a $84M extension. There is ample reason to criticize the moves that we had made in that offseason. Despite the record, we weren't playing as well as we did in the prior season. Likewise, there is ample reason to criticize Schroder's attitude and fit. But let's remember that the team was really doing pretty well until Lebron and Davis went down, and that we were doing pretty well in the playoffs until they went down again.
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