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| LakersMD wrote: | | Can’t start both Bev and Russ if Walker is the other starter. Need a connecting player like Reaves instead. |
Pretty much. Can’t have Bev/Russ/Walker as the trio with AD/Bron |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | That 4 guard lineup  |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
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we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
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Darvin Ham when asked about using five different starting lineups through five preseason games replied with a knowing chuckle, “there will be a No. 6 tomorrow.” He explained that this is the time to work on combinations that he will have to lean on when games really count
Just a case of Reaves in place of Walker or something different?
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| hydrohead wrote: | Dave McMenamin
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Darvin Ham when asked about using five different starting lineups through five preseason games replied with a knowing chuckle, “there will be a No. 6 tomorrow.” He explained that this is the time to work on combinations that he will have to lean on when games really count
Just a case of Reaves in place of Walker or something different? |
I just hope he don't go with.
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I need to see this lineup tomorrow:
Dennis
Nunn
Russ
Walker
Pat
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Line up contest
(Maybe I win based solely on following instructions lol!)
WB
Nunn
LBJ
AD
Bev
Walker
Reeves
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Line up contest
Westbrook
Nunn
LBJ
AD
Walker
Shroeder
Bev
Bryant
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Gabriel |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
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ESPN reporting with @Mcten: The Lakers are planning to bring Russell Westbrook off the bench in the final preseason game vs. Kings tonight (ESPN, 10 ET). Darvin Ham and Westbrook have been exploring possibility of Westbrook quarterbacking second unit and they'll try it tonight.
God willing we can actually get a starting unit that actually makes sense
Pat Bev
Lonnie
JTA
LBJ
AD
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| hydrohead wrote: | ESPN reporting with @Mcten: The Lakers are planning to bring Russell Westbrook off the bench in the final preseason game vs. Kings tonight (ESPN, 10 ET). Darvin Ham and Westbrook have been exploring possibility of Westbrook quarterbacking second unit and they'll try it tonight.
God willing we can actually get a starting unit that actually makes sense
Pat Bev
Lonnie
JTA
LBJ
AD |
Substitute D
Nunn for Lonnie and you have a deal.
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JONES/AD/LBJ/REAVES/BEV
BRYANT/JTA/WALKER/NUNN/RUSS
Schroder, Brown out with an injury.
Christie, Gabriel in garbage time I guess. |
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Bev/WB/Nunn
LWIV/Nunn/Reaves
JTA/LBJ/Reaves/LWIV
LBJ/Gabriel
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Bev/Walker/Reaves/Lebron/AD
Walker/Reaves/JTA/Lebron/AD
These are the 2 best lineups imo. |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | ESPN reporting with @Mcten: The Lakers are planning to bring Russell Westbrook off the bench in the final preseason game vs. Kings tonight (ESPN, 10 ET). Darvin Ham and Westbrook have been exploring possibility of Westbrook quarterbacking second unit and they'll try it tonight.
God willing we can actually get a starting unit that actually makes sense
Pat Bev
Lonnie
JTA
LBJ
AD |
Substitute Nunn for Lonnie and you have a deal. |
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| governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup. |
Potentially really good defensively
If Reaves and JTA can hit the 3 decent could be nice |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup. |
You will get blown out when the effect of the 3pt ball takes effect
LeBron 36%
Reeves 29%
JTA 36%
AD 32%
Jones 30%
The game is different today |
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| scout_0 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup. |
You will get blown out when the effect of the 3pt ball takes effect
LeBron 36%
Reeves 29%
JTA 36%
AD 32%
Jones 30%
The game is different today |
What if this happens? 3 peat?
LeBron 38%
Reeves 36%
JTA 36%
AD 35%
Jones 33% |
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| scout_0 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup. |
You will get blown out when the effect of the 3pt ball takes effect
LeBron 36%
Reeves 29%
JTA 36%
AD 32%
Jones 30%
The game is different today |
Do you want to defend? Or do you want to shoot? Because every lineup has skill set holes.
But, I think the focus on percentages is overrated considering how I project the Lakers to shoot this season, in contrast to years past.
You can't just put up a percentage on there without understanding the context of how it came to be. Injuries, lineup changes, zero offensive scheme, shot types of catch and shoot, motion, pull up, contested vs uncontested, etc.
So no. Don't blindly look at percentages when almost everything else that led to those percentages, is changing.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | scout_0 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup. |
You will get blown out when the effect of the 3pt ball takes effect
LeBron 36%
Reeves 29%
JTA 36%
AD 32%
Jones 30%
The game is different today |
Do you want to defend? Or do you want to shoot? Because every lineup has skill set holes.
But, I think the focus on percentages is overrated considering how I project the Lakers to shoot this season, in contrast to years past.
You can't just put up a percentage on there without understanding the context of how it came to be. Injuries, lineup changes, zero offensive scheme, shot types of catch and shoot, motion, pull up, contested vs uncontested, etc.
So no. Don't blindly look at percentages when almost everything else that led to those percentages, is changing. |
I want to outscore the opponent to win the game, basketball has 2 sides.
I understand factors change which is why I chose a sample size of more than 4 years.
With that line up you are hand cuffing Bron and AD by clogging the paint, no matter how well you defend you will not keep up throughout the game. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| scout_0 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | scout_0 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup. |
You will get blown out when the effect of the 3pt ball takes effect
LeBron 36%
Reeves 29%
JTA 36%
AD 32%
Jones 30%
The game is different today |
Do you want to defend? Or do you want to shoot? Because every lineup has skill set holes.
But, I think the focus on percentages is overrated considering how I project the Lakers to shoot this season, in contrast to years past.
You can't just put up a percentage on there without understanding the context of how it came to be. Injuries, lineup changes, zero offensive scheme, shot types of catch and shoot, motion, pull up, contested vs uncontested, etc.
So no. Don't blindly look at percentages when almost everything else that led to those percentages, is changing. |
I want to outscore the opponent to win the game, basketball has 2 sides.
I understand factors change which is why I chose a sample size of more than 4 years.
With that line up you are hand cuffing Bron and AD by clogging the paint, no matter how well you defend you will not keep up throughout the game. |
Cool, then your idea of winning is by 3-point shots instead of having size to defend those LAC wings. Pretty sure those wings would just constantly seek out the smallest guard and take advantage of that.
Hell, LAL did that to LAC to the same player in 2020 regular season.
But on the Lakers current roster, I don't think Beverley shooting 40%+ behind the arc is going to help you.
And no, I disagree that looking at beyond just 1 year of stats aids your argument. Those prior years are entirely different conditions compared to this upcoming one. Like, how credible is 3-point percentage when the offensive style changes? When roles change? When more than half the roster changes?
I wouldn't find it credible at all. More like, "Sure, they player can shoot, but how well?"
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | scout_0 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | scout_0 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup. |
You will get blown out when the effect of the 3pt ball takes effect
LeBron 36%
Reeves 29%
JTA 36%
AD 32%
Jones 30%
The game is different today |
Do you want to defend? Or do you want to shoot? Because every lineup has skill set holes.
But, I think the focus on percentages is overrated considering how I project the Lakers to shoot this season, in contrast to years past.
You can't just put up a percentage on there without understanding the context of how it came to be. Injuries, lineup changes, zero offensive scheme, shot types of catch and shoot, motion, pull up, contested vs uncontested, etc.
So no. Don't blindly look at percentages when almost everything else that led to those percentages, is changing. |
I want to outscore the opponent to win the game, basketball has 2 sides.
I understand factors change which is why I chose a sample size of more than 4 years.
With that line up you are hand cuffing Bron and AD by clogging the paint, no matter how well you defend you will not keep up throughout the game. |
Cool, then your idea of winning is by 3-point shots instead of having size to defend those LAC wings. Pretty sure those wings would just constantly seek out the smallest guard and take advantage of that.
Hell, LAL did that to LAC to the same player in 2020 regular season.
But on the Lakers current roster, I don't think Beverley shooting 40%+ behind the arc is going to help you.
And no, I disagree that looking at beyond just 1 year of stats aids your argument. Those prior years are entirely different conditions compared to this upcoming one. Like, how credible is 3-point percentage when the offensive style changes? When roles change? When more than half the roster changes?
I wouldn't find it credible at all. More like, "Sure, they player can shoot, but how well?" |
Then how come not more teams are hunting Curry if it works so well?
Because at the end of the day trading 2 for 3s won't lead to wins and it ruins offensive flow.
Am I saying I want to just shoot 3 and not play D? No.
But I think its easier to
1) win games when your offense runs well
2) fix your defense than fixing the offense
When shots don't go in players stop trying
PG.Nunn
SG.Beverly
SF.LeBron
PF.JTA
C.Davis
Would beat this team.. not only do you have more efficient players contributing to the overall result of the game in Nunn and Beverly but their shooting allows LeBron and AD to own the paint instead of playing on the perimeter like They would on the other line up.
LeBron 36%
Reeves 29%
JTA 36%
AD 32%
Jones 30%
Ham said: "our offense wasn't clicking so guys were not active" |
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| Quote: | Then how come not more teams are hunting Curry if it works so well?
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Because Curry is an underrated defender and Draymond calls out the play off of the other teams.
Man, for a name like "scout," I would expect more thoughtful analysis than superficial assumptions about how games are played and what wins, because in 2020, the Lakers shouldn't have won "without defensive wings" and "a point guard that couldn't shoot 3s." Hell, they were barely a 33% 3pt shooting team during the playoffs.
Hell, KCP or Danny Green were arguable 3rd best players until Kuzma stepped up defensively and Caruso became the real 3rd best player on the team.
But, you want to make an assumption about how this current team plays when Nunn is healthy, Walker IV looks like a starter, the Lakers have depth at 5, and there's actual perimeter footspeed?
Pass.
But sure, let's play the short players and then have them face Luka, when Luka lights up PG and Kawhi, and that's before facing the Warriors in the first place.
Want to know why the Clippers lose in the playoffs?
They finally face guys their own size.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | Then how come not more teams are hunting Curry if it works so well?
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Because Curry is an underrated defender and Draymond calls out the play off of the other teams.
Man, for a name like "scout," I would expect more thoughtful analysis than superficial assumptions about how games are played and what wins, because in 2020, the Lakers shouldn't have won "without defensive wings" and "a point guard that couldn't shoot 3s." Hell, they were barely a 33% 3pt shooting team during the playoffs.
Hell, KCP or Danny Green were arguable 3rd best players until Kuzma stepped up defensively and Caruso became the real 3rd best player on the team.
But, you want to make an assumption about how this current team plays when Nunn is healthy, Walker IV looks like a starter, the Lakers have depth at 5, and there's actual perimeter footspeed?
Pass.
But sure, let's play the short players and then have them face Luka, when Luka lights up PG and Kawhi, and that's before facing the Warriors in the first place.
Want to know why the Clippers lose in the playoffs?
They finally face guys their own size. |
My name is just a user name unlike you I don't believe I am a scout
I am just a Data Scientist / Engineer who loves numbers and bball
That Lakers team had the floor spread out. Teams respected kcp and greens shootinz Morris got hot too. |
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Russ will have a hard time playing with AD and LBJ, mainly because he really needs the ball to be effective. However I still think the Lakers trade him and make some moves to the roster. Here's my shot at the rotation with the current roster as it stands:
Starters:
PG - Nunn
SG - Walker IV
SF - Reaves
PF - LBJ
C - AD
Bench:
G - Beverly
G - Westbrook
SF - Anderson
SF - Ryan
F - Gabriel
I think that's our best shot at being competitive, however I don't think we win many games with the current roster. We're too guard heavy and small at the Guard position, no real backups for LBJ or AD, and that's just not good!
The best part about the 2nd unit is that Russ can focus on trying to score the ball, and there are some decent defenders to make up for the area Russ lacks the most. |
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