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Laker_Jocker
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Ever heard the term “re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic”?
It sums up the lineup discussion…. Old LBJ, Street Clothes Davis and a hot mess of mismatched junk parts…
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| If Bryant, and Reaves don't start we will struggle. We have very little actual NBA talent on this team. |
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scout_0
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:42 am Post subject: |
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PG.Nunn 24 / Dennis 24
SG.Matt 18 / Beverly 22 / Nunn 8
SF.LeBron 28 / Reeves 20 I think Walker might b better
PF.Davis 16 / Tuscano 20 / Gabriel 12
C.Bryant 28 / Davis 12 / Huff 8
Any game that we have a big lead on I would play Christie and Pippen a ton. These guys have high IQ but I want them to develop playing next to good talent not trying to iso with a bucng of gleaguers
PG.Pippen
SG.Christie
SF.LeBron
PF.Davis
C.Bryant
I think we need fire power in our starting 5... what happen to blowing teams out? We cant do that because our offense sucks without spacing. People think we are saying we need to shoot more 3s but we are just saying we need to open up the floor with players with greater gravity and 3pt volume. |
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MikeTrout
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:06 am Post subject: |
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I think Reaves Walker Lebron AD will start
The 5th is a toss up |
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MikeTrout
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | If Bryant, and Reaves don't start we will struggle. We have very little actual NBA talent on this team. |
I could see Reaves Walker Lebron AD Bryant as starters |
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Lucky_Shot
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| MikeTrout wrote: | | defense wrote: | | If Bryant, and Reaves don't start we will struggle. We have very little actual NBA talent on this team. |
I could see Reaves Walker Lebron AD Bryant as starters |
That wouldn't be bad. There are a few different lineups I like (most AD at the 5). Nunn looked like our third-best player in the preseason. Walker looked good too, gonna keep an eye on that |
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epic_
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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With all the guards we got, I can't believe half of them already had/have injuries.
Dennis
Troy
Lonnie
Russell
Healthy:
Patty
Kendrick
Austin
Max
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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diminished stars:
LBJ...AD......................................WB (injured as soon as benched)
Semi decent nba bench talent
Nuun, Schroeder, Walker, Reeves
Shouldn't have more than spot minutes on a contender:
Everyone else |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeTrout wrote: | | defense wrote: | | If Bryant, and Reaves don't start we will struggle. We have very little actual NBA talent on this team. |
I could see Reaves Walker Lebron AD Bryant as starters |
That's thee most balanced starting 5 we could create but the problem is the unbalancedness of the bench and who doesn't play out of the guards?
If Russ can be flipped into something like a mediocre Oubre and Hayward package, do it. Help clear the glut. Just get better balance and this weird aura around this team outta here. |
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MikeTrout
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker_Jocker wrote: | diminished stars:
LBJ...AD......................................WB (injured as soon as benched)
Semi decent nba bench talent
Nuun, Schroeder, Walker, Reeves
Shouldn't have more than spot minutes on a contender:
Everyone else |
Pat and JTA |
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MikeTrout
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Might be Reaves Walker Lebron AD.. plus Pat as starters for GS |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeTrout wrote: | | Might be Reaves Walker Lebron AD.. plus Pat as starters for GS |
Walker might be too small vs Wiggins. I would go
Bev
Walker
JTA
Bron
AD
Nunn
Reaves
Bron
Gabriel
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Laker_Jocker
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeTrout wrote: | | Laker_Jocker wrote: | diminished stars:
LBJ...AD......................................WB (injured as soon as benched)
Semi decent nba bench talent
Nuun, Schroeder, Walker, Reeves
Shouldn't have more than spot minutes on a contender:
Everyone else |
Pat and JTA |
This is why I left P.Bev and JTA in the “everyone else” category they don’t really do any one thing well……. Probably should have put Reeves in there too. When AD goes down this team is gunna sink to the bottom fast….
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LakesGnrLake
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Westbrook needs to be traded. Get Hield and Turner ASAP or get ready to watch lottery basketball. |
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scout_0
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Walker 34% 3pt shooter
Brick 30% 3pt shooter
Next to LeBron and AD is laughable 
I been saying this for years we need to go all in on shooting other than bron and ad.
PG.Nunn
SG.Ryan
SF.LeBron
PF.Tuscano
C.Davis
Forget scrubs that cant shoot |
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epic_
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| scout_0 wrote: | Walker 34% 3pt shooter
Brick 30% 3pt shooter
Next to LeBron and AD is laughable
I been saying this for years we need to go all in on shooting other than bron and ad.
PG.Nunn
SG.Ryan
SF.LeBron
PF.Tuscano
C.Davis
Forget scrubs that cant shoot |
JTA can shoot?
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matigol
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | scout_0 wrote: | Walker 34% 3pt shooter
Brick 30% 3pt shooter
Next to LeBron and AD is laughable
I been saying this for years we need to go all in on shooting other than bron and ad.
PG.Nunn
SG.Ryan
SF.LeBron
PF.Tuscano
C.Davis
Forget scrubs that cant shoot |
JTA can shoot? |
JTA is a Power Forward? (6'6" with 209 lbs)
Midget lineups like today won't get us wins
I hope that Ham didn't fall in love with smallball like Vogel did at the end
Smallball doesn't work!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:50 am Post subject: |
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We need to follow the numbers
Basketball is a neural net
Imagine that you have a black box, that no matter wht you put inside of it, it will always give you a rating from 1-10. You put 5 players
PG.Curry
SG.Thompson
SG.Pool
SF.Wiggings
C.Dray
The system will give you a 10. Because you have shooting, and if you use Shapley values in a dataset of game results you will see that shooting and FT are the deciding factors for a game. Two things we suck at.
On defense as long as those guys have a high IQ to play defense on a string they will be fine. Their offense efficiency along w smart D will always beat a defense. When teams notice they can't distance or catxh up they give up.
My point is we need to feed the black box the right set of players. We need players that sre efficient because its what drives the game.
this means Westbrook can not play. And i dont mean benching him... i mean not playing at all.
My idea would be to make LeBron and AD my PF and C offense. They NEED to be the worst shooters on the floor if we want to win.
PG.Nunn
SG.Beverly
SF.Ryan
PF.LeBron
C.Davis
Trust me. No team can beat that efficiency. If Beverly was 6"7 we'd be in business. But I would still give this team a chance. And I don't want to shoot 3s like gsw but I want Bron and Davis to habe space to do their thing and when defenders cheat they ponish them.
Or you can do (offense)
PG.Nunn
SG.Ryan
SF.LeBron
PF.Bryant
C.Davis
Walker needs to stop playing he is an inneficient player.
Every little bit of contribution from each player affects the end result, so your system should be to try to improve efficiency at all cost. That is what coaching is how can we increase our offensive output. But we continue to so dumb (bleep) like playing non shooters like Walker, Reeves etc we need to stop being biased and use the numbers
If you think about it why is Walker 6"4 34% from 3 playing ahead of 6"8 Tuscano 36% from 3?????
Makes no sense to me...
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matigol
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| scout_0 wrote: |
If you think about it why is Walker 6"4 34% from 3 playing ahead of 6"8 Tuscano 36% from 3?????
Makes no sense to me... |
Toscano is 6'6 and Lonnie is a scorer with a good defensive potential
JTAs 3s were easy 3s b/c no opponent cared about the shooting of JTA
the opponents full defensive attention was on Klay or Steph 
Pat, RW and Lonnie as starters will be suicide for the whole season
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:07 am Post subject: |
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SO how do you guys feel about the starting line up? Championship?
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | governator wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That 4 guard lineup |
let's see how we do against Clippers 4 wings lineup
Kawhi 6'7"
PG 6'8"
Covington 6'7"
Batum 6'8"
Morris 6'8"
Coffey 6'7" |
we will just have to pray that they miss |
Still got to worry if they can rebound when they miss… |
That’s what our 38yr old superstar gotta deal with in a 7 games series, we need a trade for wings |
LeBron Reaves JTA AD Jones
That's how you handle that wings lineup. |
Couldn’t handle Klay-Wiggins, we need bigger wings |
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scout_0
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| matigol wrote: | | scout_0 wrote: |
If you think about it why is Walker 6"4 34% from 3 playing ahead of 6"8 Tuscano 36% from 3?????
Makes no sense to me... |
Toscano is 6'6 and Lonnie is a scorer with a good defensive potential
JTAs 3s were easy 3s b/c no opponent cared about the shooting of JTA
the opponents full defensive attention was on Klay or Steph
Pat, RW and Lonnie as starters will be suicide for the whole season |
Do you need a "scorer" next to AD, Brick and LeBron? Or better to have a taller guy that shoots better? |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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This team can't shoot, they should just go with a big lineup.
Better chance to crash the glass, can control the interior and get in transition or get offensive rebounds.
LeBron
Any guard
JTA
AD
Jones
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | SO how do you guys feel about the starting line up? Championship?
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maybe not best CHAMPIONSHIP line up but best OVERALL lineup?
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