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Jordan-esque
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 Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:40 pm Post subject: How many Losses before Pelinka decides to make a move before they get too far behind the Play-off picture? |
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Reports yesterday is that Lakers were going to wait and give this team at least 20 games before making a decision:
https://twitter.com/clutchpointsapp/status/1582860989178908672
Well... let’s just say, what happens if the Lakers start the season 0-5 then end up going 7-13 in those first 20 games?
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Barry Seal
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| The team was out of the playoff picture before the season began. |
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Nash Vegas
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Pelinka is a narrow minded imbecile, same with Jeanie. Sell this team.
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dabask11
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Nothing, ideally. This lakers team is so flawed that it's going to take multiple moves before thinking about the playoff picture.
The lakers put themselves in this position after too many mistakes over the years. They should be trying to evaluate this team over the course of the season, even if it means wasting a year of AD/LBJ. This is not a team ready to make a serious run.
They shouldn't spend assets to trade westbrook. They could probably trade him for some long-term contracts without picks. However, I don't think Jeanie/FO are willing to blow up the 2023 plan for such contracts. |
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lakerfansd
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| I hope we can play well enough to at least avoid a stupid trade by Rob Lowe. If we keep losing like this we're going to end up with a trade that gets us in the 6-8 spot and either lose in play-in tournament or first round. And we'll be out 1 or possibly 2 of our draft picks |
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phantasyman
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| It's just the 2nd game 😂 once the Lakers begin to gel and figure out their newly constructed roster and nuances, they gonna start dominating. |
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phantasyman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Pelinka is a narrow minded imbecile, same with Jeanie. Sell this team. |
😂 Why don't you put in an application for GM lol |
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lakersfever714
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| Bro, if there was a move to actually improve the team, don't you think he would have made it already? Kyrie would improve the team but the Nets didn't want even both of our draft picks. They wanted established players. Other than Kyrie, who's left out there that would move the needle? |
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activeverb
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: How many Losses before Pelinka decides to make a move before they get too far behind the Play-off picture? |
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | Reports yesterday is that Lakers were going to wait and give this team at least 20 games before making a decision:
https://twitter.com/clutchpointsapp/status/1582860989178908672
Well... let’s just say, what happens if the Lakers start the season 0-5 then end up going 7-13 in those first 20 games? |
The "20 games" sounds like a number that was drawn out of thin air, rather than any actual benchmark the Lakers are using.
That said, anything could happen. A really bad start could convince the Lakers to make a deal they aren't willing to make right now ... or it might convince them that there isn't a deal that will make a meaningful difference and they will just stand pat. |
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vasashi17+
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I see no lies. Only aliegnment.
Well renowned Laker hater spitting facts!
I would say let’s trade Rob, but lord knows how many draft picks we gotta attach to that 4 year salary dump.
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Brawn13
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| vasashi17+ wrote: |
I see no lies. Only aliegnment.
Well renowned Laker hater spitting facts!
I would say let’s trade Rob, but lord knows how many draft picks we gotta attach to that 4 year salary dump. |
Trading for Westbrook really set this franchise back 10 years smh. Like Barkley said last night….you can’t have a 38 year old be your best player, and Davis hasn’t taken that leap.
So we make a “big 3” to theoretically ease the burden on Lebron and AD, we give up our depth but end up making us worse because Russ is no where what he once was, on top of being a poor fit.
The obsession with this Big 3 model surrounded by vet mins would only work if you actually had a Big 3, not an imitation one like we have. Lebron is at best a 2nd option at this point, and with Davis regressing, he’s at best a 3rd option right now. Russ is at best a bench player on a good team at this point. If All that depth we gave up and money we’re paying Russ went to an actual top 3-5 player….we’d be sitting pretty right now. (I know there wasn’t any way to get that kind of player, Just saying we shouldn’t have made moves just to make them)
Damn I can’t stop dwelling on our horrible moves  |
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At this point, Pelinka should not do a thing. If he were going to do something to improve the team, he should have done it during the offseason.
My fear is that by the time he decides to do something, the Lakers will be out of contention...
And then what he ends up doing will cause major damage to the Lakers future too because typically Rob overpays in trades when he doesn't have to. |
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The more we lose in October and November, the more that the other teams will view us as desperate. This means that the trade options before Christmas are likely to be bad options. But we shall see.
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Some of y'all really, REALLY need to let championship aspirations for this team. It ain't happening with or without a trade for Russ. Hield/Myles will barely even move the needle so the idea to forfeit our future for this band aid fix is out of the question. Enough with that.
I mean, contention? Really? That ship sailed last off-season. Let it go.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:05 am Post subject: Re: How many Losses before Pelinka decides to make a move before they get too far behind the Play-off picture? |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | Reports yesterday is that Lakers were going to wait and give this team at least 20 games before making a decision:
https://twitter.com/clutchpointsapp/status/1582860989178908672
Well... let’s just say, what happens if the Lakers start the season 0-5 then end up going 7-13 in those first 20 games? |
The "20 games" sounds like a number that was drawn out of thin air, rather than any actual benchmark the Lakers are using.
That said, anything could happen. A really bad start could convince the Lakers to make a deal they aren't willing to make right now ... or it might convince them that there isn't a deal that will make a meaningful difference and they will just stand pat. |
Iirc, Mike Brown was fired after 5 games.
Not making a move while the team falters will expose the helpless/hopeless position they're in. |
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | Some of y'all really, REALLY need to let championship aspirations for this team. It ain't happening with or without a trade for Russ. Hield/Myles will barely even move the needle so the idea to forfeit our future for this band aid fix is out of the question. Enough with that.
I mean, contention? Really? That ship sailed last off-season. Let it go. |
It would be like putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. Or even like the time I saw a stab wound a guy sewed up himself, hoping it would fix the problem. Of course, it didn't. |
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| This season is about saving money, not winning anything |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | This season is about saving money, not winning anything |
Exactly. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The more we lose in October and November, the more that the other teams will view us as desperate. This means that the trade options before Christmas are likely to be bad options. But we shall see. |
Agreed. That stank of desperation is not going to wear off come Thanksgiving if/when the team is 10 games below .500.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: How many Losses before Pelinka decides to make a move before they get too far behind the Play-off picture? |
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| lakersboy wrote: |
Iirc, Mike Brown was fired after 5 games.
Not making a move while the team falters will expose the helpless/hopeless position they're in. |
It's no secret that we are in a bad position with very few options.
There aren't a lot of "moves" that are even available to us. If you go by reports, all we can do is make some trade we really don't want to make, like throwing in two FRP for Hield and Turner, which would be just as helpless as making no move. |
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Man, what a mess... I was having PTSD flashbacks to last season again basically watching the Harlem Globetrotters play the Washington Generals...
Come November (2 weeks in), they MAY still be winless:
Oct 23 - Portland (? - AD probably doesn't play the entire game if he plays at all)
Oct 26 - @Denver (L)
Oct 28 - @Minnesota (L)
Oct 30 - Denver (L)
Nov 2 - New Orleans (L)
Is 0-7 embarrassing enough to sell them picks to remove WB or even to trade AD?
Nov 4 - Utah (W)
Nov 6 - Cleveland (L)
Nov 7 - @Utah (L)
Nov 9 - @ LA (L)
Nov 11 - Sacramento (W)
Nov 13 - Brooklyn (L)
Nov 18 - Detroit (W)
Nov 20 - San Antonio (W)
Nov 22 - @ Phoenix (L)
Nov 25 - @San Antonio (W)
Nov 26 - @ San Antonio (L)
Nov 28 - Indiana (W)
Nov 30 - Portland (W)
How about after the 20 game "evaluation" they indicated? The record probably is about 7-13 or optimistically 8-12 (under 500)? Is it even worth making a INCREMENTAL move in December or at the all star break with the best case scenario being the home to get a play-in game?
 <- another lost season and my dumb azz is going to watch every excruciating game |
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^ Remember Sacto spanked us in preseason.
Detroit looks feisty, and Utah inexplicably won too. I think we may be more like 5-15. I truly hope to be wrong.
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| Laker_Jocker wrote: | Man, what a mess... I was having PTSD flashbacks to last season again basically watching the Harlem Globetrotters play the Washington Generals...
Come November (2 weeks in), they MAY still be winless:
Oct 23 - Portland (? - AD probably doesn't play the entire game if he plays at all)
Oct 26 - @Denver (L)
Oct 28 - @Minnesota (L)
Oct 30 - Denver (L)
Nov 2 - New Orleans (L)
Is 0-7 embarrassing enough to sell them picks to remove WB or even to trade AD?
Nov 4 - Utah (W)
Nov 6 - Cleveland (L)
Nov 7 - @Utah (L)
Nov 9 - @ LA (L)
Nov 11 - Sacramento (W)
Nov 13 - Brooklyn (L)
Nov 18 - Detroit (W)
Nov 20 - San Antonio (W)
Nov 22 - @ Phoenix (L)
Nov 25 - @San Antonio (W)
Nov 26 - @ San Antonio (L)
Nov 28 - Indiana (W)
Nov 30 - Portland (W)
How about after the 20 game "evaluation" they indicated? The record probably is about 7-13 or optimistically 8-12 (under 500)? Is it even worth making a INCREMENTAL move in December or at the all star break with the best case scenario being the home to get a play-in game?
<- another lost season and my dumb azz is going to watch every excruciating game |
Honestly, we are going 0-20 if we shoot 22% from 3. I think there is a strong possibility we go 5-15 or worse. |
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If Lakers make any deal those picks better be lottery protected.
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Dudes gotta get on the phone with Griff again and play nice. There’s no way we’re going to remove the swap option on that 2023 1st.
So why not get on the phone and *gulp* give it to em unprotected. Flex outta the 2024/25 deferment and have it become a swap, if not getting the pick back altogether.
Take on Graham’s salary dump with either PatB (can be traded alone now or aggregated on Oct 26th) or SkyWalker/Nunn (can be aggregated together on Dec 15th). Or make it a bigger deal with Russ and taking back Val/Graham & spare parts. At least that boy a career 36% 3pt shooter & you possibly get AD insurance / @5 repellent.
Now you outright lost the 2023 1st and have absolutely no stake in the Wemby draft ☹️, but now you’ve unlocked 2026/28/30 (in the summer) or 25/27/29 to trade right the F now for a potential difference maker with either Graham/Val or Russ as salary aggregate.
Yep…desperate times call for desperate measures…but it could work 🤷🏻♂️
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