How many Losses before Pelinka decides to make a move before they get too far behind the Play-off picture?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:05 am    Post subject:

If we had league average shooting, we'd have +7.1 Net rating and would be from a metrics standpoint a top 4 team in the WC.

We shouldn't expect AD's shooting to bounce back right away. To me their biggest issue seems to be their pressing when shooting 3's. Three point shooting is clearly in their heads and they're not shooting fluidly or freely.

I point yesterday's loss on Lebron and even sunday's. If Lebron stops Jerami Grant on Sunday, we win. He straight took Lebron off the dribble.

Yesterday not only was he not aggressive but he was careless with the ball. He needs to be a leader and get his team the first W. We shyed away from AD way too much in second half.

It's a combination of bad leadership, new coaching staff & learning curve there, god awful shooting by everyone but really Lebron I put this on the most. He cannot be passive. He has been.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:07 am    Post subject:

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This is why I'm so upset that despite a 48 win pace team in 20-21 (NBA season was only 72 games that year due to COVID), Rob did a wholesale change and brought in Russ and decimated our depth.

Imagine having KCP/AC on this roster right now, and Kuz being able to become our 3rd scoring option at close to 20ppg?

It just saddens me that Jeanie/Rob cannot see anything other than a "Big 3." That's why they think their 2023 cap plan is so untouchable.


We are doomed. Jeanie and Rob don't know (bleep) about basketball, it seems.


It seems they care more about optics, i.e. "we have a big 3" than basketball continuity/fit. A real GM with experience would know much better.


It's criminal what they'v done to our roster.

Even the 20/21 team was pretty good despite the injuries.

Now we have nothing. No size, no shooting, no versatility


Even in 20-21, we had an identity.

Dennis
KCP/AC
LBJ/Kuz
AD/Trezz
Marc/Drummond

We were still huge, physical, and could impose ourselves on teams. What happened J.R.?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:08 am    Post subject:

I'm not even sure Pelinka understands Russ, AD's & Lebron's game. All 3 of them are at their best when there is ample shooting around them. They all depend on shooters creating spacing for their playstyle.

We don't just need Buddy Hield we need at least Buddy Hield and another shooter to get to a much better shooting percentage.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:24 am    Post subject:

ahaider wrote:
I'm not even sure Pelinka understands Russ, AD's & Lebron's game. All 3 of them are at their best when there is ample shooting around them. They all depend on shooters creating spacing for their playstyle.

We don't just need Buddy Hield we need at least Buddy Hield and another shooter to get to a much better shooting percentage.


The more I think of it, the more absurd this roster becomes. You have Lebron, so you decide to pair him with a top post player, ok fair. You played it right first, got a bunch of 3-d type players. Then instead of letting them run it back you nuke the team and decide you want to decrease Lebron's workload(but isn't that why you have AD) so you get another "playmaker" but this playmaker isn't known as a floor spreader. So in a sense you brought together 3 guys who aren't know as shooters but all need the ball in their hands to be effective. Madness.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:41 pm    Post subject:

Rob Must go. He has no clue on building a roster.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:18 pm    Post subject:

Lakers won’t make the playoffs now unless they trade for Luka Doncic
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:19 pm    Post subject:

I’m guessing that Jeanie is driving the “no salary added in 2023” train.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:27 pm    Post subject:

The only move Pelinka needs to make is to resign. Lakers problems begin and end with him. He should've been sent packing with Vogel.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:34 am    Post subject:

I used to give Rob the benefit of the doubt, in fact I still do to a certain extent. But it is reaaaaally looking like the 2020 c'ship squad was a lightning in a bottle thing that Rob just lucked upon.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Losses before Pelinka decides to make a move before they get too far behind the Play-off picture?

Bump. This thread was posted over 2 months ago lol.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:00 pm    Post subject:

Pelinka was never going to make a trade. Lebron sells jerseys and thats what Jeanie wants.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:45 pm    Post subject:

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Pelinka was never going to make a trade. Lebron sells jerseys and thats what Jeanie wants.


Lebron Lakers City edition sold out this morning .
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:50 pm    Post subject:

LeBron already spoke to Pelinka...

Keep those 2 picks for my kids, for now let me get a some scoring records. When they come then we can continue to suck while I grow my family name. Ham im gonna need you to start w scrubs like dennis-bev so i can take all the shots
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:02 pm    Post subject:

3.0 games out of the tenth spot and AD out for another month. LeBron is yet to miss extended time, which will happen at some point. I think tonight’s loss may be it for our playoff hopes.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:28 pm    Post subject:

We were out of the playoff picture before the season started. We only won 1 or 2 pre-season games. Same story as last season.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:51 pm    Post subject:

Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, and Pop would all struggle with this roster. It's a 38 year old player doing his best while chasing records, a legit #1 talent option with a #2 mindset who misses 50% of the games, and a bunch of guys who are at best middle of the rotation role players and at worst don't look like they belong in the NBA. Half are under 6'4.

But don't worry- the guy who built this roster was rewarded for his hard work with an extension.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:59 pm    Post subject:

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3.0 games out of the tenth spot and AD out for another month. LeBron is yet to miss extended time, which will happen at some point. I think tonight’s loss may be it for our playoff hopes.

Realistically it was over when we were 2-10. We needed to go .500 the rest of the way to match the 10th seed Pels from last year, and that's not accounting for how much flatter the West is this year.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:00 pm    Post subject:

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Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, and Pop would all struggle with this roster. It's a 38 year old player doing his best while chasing records, a legit #1 talent option with a #2 mindset who misses 50% of the games, and a bunch of guys who are at best middle of the rotation role players and at worst don't look like they belong in the NBA. Half are under 6'4.

But don't worry- the guy who built this roster was rewarded for his hard work with an extension.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:02 pm    Post subject:

LakesGnrLake wrote:
ahaider wrote:
I'm not even sure Pelinka understands Russ, AD's & Lebron's game. All 3 of them are at their best when there is ample shooting around them. They all depend on shooters creating spacing for their playstyle.

We don't just need Buddy Hield we need at least Buddy Hield and another shooter to get to a much better shooting percentage.


The more I think of it, the more absurd this roster becomes. You have Lebron, so you decide to pair him with a top post player, ok fair. You played it right first, got a bunch of 3-d type players. Then instead of letting them run it back you nuke the team and decide you want to decrease Lebron's workload(but isn't that why you have AD) so you get another "playmaker" but this playmaker isn't known as a floor spreader. So in a sense you brought together 3 guys who aren't know as shooters but all need the ball in their hands to be effective. Madness.

Decreasing LeBron's workload and bringing in another playmaker was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, Pelinka didn't do it the right way. LeBron also deserves a good deal of the blame for that for apparently selling Pelinka on trading for Russ.

It's interesting how LeBron is praised for his on-court basketball IQ, but LeBron as shadow GM has made some bad moves (trading for Russ, giving Tristan Thompson a big extension in Cleveland, etc.).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:39 pm    Post subject:

buduan wrote:
The only move Pelinka needs to make is to resign. Lakers problems begin and end with him. He should've been sent packing with Vogel.

Actually no, they begin and end with Jeannie Buss. Pelinka is just another symptom of Jeannie's utter incompetence.
As others have stated the lakers were out of playoff contention before the season even started. Jeannie needs to sell this team ASAP. Her record is absolutely abysmal minus the bubble season.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:20 pm    Post subject:

lakid wrote:
buduan wrote:
The only move Pelinka needs to make is to resign. Lakers problems begin and end with him. He should've been sent packing with Vogel.

Actually no, they begin and end with Jeannie Buss. Pelinka is just another symptom of Jeannie's utter incompetence.
As others have stated the lakers were out of playoff contention before the season even started. Jeannie needs to sell this team ASAP. Her record is absolutely abysmal minus the bubble season.


Jeanie's incompetence leads her to hire Pelinka. Pelinka's incompetence lead to this roster. Chicken or egg argument here. The correct answer is the both suck at their jobs but Pelinka knows how to sell Jeanie (apparently) and Jeanie believes she's got Kobe in Pelinka. She's as bad in her role as Jimmy was in his. Pelinka will never get another GM job again.

This franchise needs a HARD reset. New everything top to bottom. If Jeanie isn't smart enough to go and hire/spend like other owners are, then we need a Ballmer to come and clean house so he can do it the right way.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:38 am    Post subject:

The Lakers were always prepared to ride it out when they did nothing this off-season. This team has been begging for a big move since early last season.

According to fanspo(trade machine website I use), the Lakers are $18.5 mil over the luxury tax treshhold with Russell Westbrook and Patrick Beverley accounting for $60 mil in expiring salary. They should've been able to take back a decent amount of non-expiring salary and still get under the luxury tax for next season.

I'm fan of the theory that the Lakers are just chasing another star. Chasing a 3rd star has been a consistent theme of this team since they got AD. The problem is that they don't have max cap space in the off-season, the picks alone aren't good enough assets to trade for a star, and it wasn't the best philosophy to maximize this run even if successful.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:08 am    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
lakid wrote:
buduan wrote:
The only move Pelinka needs to make is to resign. Lakers problems begin and end with him. He should've been sent packing with Vogel.

Actually no, they begin and end with Jeannie Buss. Pelinka is just another symptom of Jeannie's utter incompetence.
As others have stated the lakers were out of playoff contention before the season even started. Jeannie needs to sell this team ASAP. Her record is absolutely abysmal minus the bubble season.


Jeanie's incompetence leads her to hire Pelinka. Pelinka's incompetence lead to this roster. Chicken or egg argument here. The correct answer is the both suck at their jobs but Pelinka knows how to sell Jeanie (apparently) and Jeanie believes she's got Kobe in Pelinka. She's as bad in her role as Jimmy was in his. Pelinka will never get another GM job again.

This franchise needs a HARD reset. New everything top to bottom. If Jeanie isn't smart enough to go and hire/spend like other owners are, then we need a Ballmer to come and clean house so he can do it the right way.

If the Buss family were to sell the team, the fear is that someone may buy the Lakers simply to use as a revenue stream for some other venture he has, and he may therefore refuse to do what's needed to build a championship team.

If someone like that or a corporation bought the Lakers, many would probably wish the Buss family would buy back the team.

For better or worse we're stuck with the Buss kids. We can only hope Jeanie is humble and strong enough to learn from her mistakes, but it may be too late as it seems the rest of the league has no respect for the Lakers anymore.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:54 am    Post subject:

slavavov wrote:
2019 wrote:
lakid wrote:
buduan wrote:
The only move Pelinka needs to make is to resign. Lakers problems begin and end with him. He should've been sent packing with Vogel.

Actually no, they begin and end with Jeannie Buss. Pelinka is just another symptom of Jeannie's utter incompetence.
As others have stated the lakers were out of playoff contention before the season even started. Jeannie needs to sell this team ASAP. Her record is absolutely abysmal minus the bubble season.


Jeanie's incompetence leads her to hire Pelinka. Pelinka's incompetence lead to this roster. Chicken or egg argument here. The correct answer is the both suck at their jobs but Pelinka knows how to sell Jeanie (apparently) and Jeanie believes she's got Kobe in Pelinka. She's as bad in her role as Jimmy was in his. Pelinka will never get another GM job again.

This franchise needs a HARD reset. New everything top to bottom. If Jeanie isn't smart enough to go and hire/spend like other owners are, then we need a Ballmer to come and clean house so he can do it the right way.

If the Buss family were to sell the team, the fear is that someone may buy the Lakers simply to use as a revenue stream for some other venture he has, and he may therefore refuse to do what's needed to build a championship team.

If someone like that or a corporation bought the Lakers, many would probably wish the Buss family would buy back the team.

For better or worse we're stuck with the Buss kids. We can only hope Jeanie is humble and strong enough to learn from her mistakes, but it may be too late as it seems the rest of the league has no respect for the Lakers anymore.



THe BUss family is using the Lakers as a revenue stream, they eat off of this franchise which is why we suck. THe majority of new owners have F-U money and buy teams as a toy to fuel their competitive drive and want to win. They are smart enough and successful enough to realize you need to hire accomplished professionals to win at a high level. Compare that to jeannie who hires her brunch circle of friends to round out her front office.
Please we need this team sold, nepotism is not the way. No other team would've even given a moron like Pelinka a sniff as a GM, no other team would give 2 morons like the Rambii such influence. Jeannie is an insecure joke and is in way over her head. We are F'ed unless we sell. As bad as Jimmy Buss was at least he had enough insight to keep a professional GM like Kupchack on board. Look what we got with Jeannie
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:09 pm    Post subject:

We are getting closer to the point where you simply can't realistically catch up. Sure, other teams could fall back, but you need a ton of them to fall back AND surge yourself. GS is likely to regain its footing when Steph gets back and Dray gets healthier. So that means you need to leapfrog a couple teams already in the top ten. If the Lakers keep losing more than those above them for a bit longer, that upward climb starts to look less and less realistic.
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