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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:21 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -at- CLIPPERS - 11-9-22 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

The Fall, Rise, Fall... The three act performance lately has followed a familiar pattern.

Act 1. The Rope-A-Dope. Give up a lot of points early, perhaps, hoping their opponent will punch themselves out.

Act 2. The Counter Punch. Stage a comeback in the second quarter, playing your best ball of the game. The defense often turns into offense. Our heroes rise.

Act 3. The Fall From Grace. Riding high after the heroics of the second quarter act, the Lakers come out from the intermission and are humbled badly. That hunger that inspired us, all gone. Things go from bad to worse to downright tragic. The final fall leads to their demise.

Tonight, the script was followed to perfection.

Another awful first quarter to trail 38-21. The game changed for the worse this time when Westbrook entered with the Lakers up 2. He went 1-8 with 3 turnovers in the first quarter, and the team was a -19 during this stretch..

The second quarter action sequences were all fun and games for L.A. They were challenging shots, getting turnovers and played with a sense of urgency that was inspiring. They tied it up 48-48 on an 18-2 run and all was right in Laker land once again. They won the second quarter 31-16 and trailed by just 2 at halftime.

The third act went as expected. The Lakers came out at halftime and gave up a quick 7-0 run in two minutes and called a timeout. Down 11, they tied it up momentarily before getting throttled at the end of the quarter to trail by 12 again.

Call him Darvin Hamlet because you know this story is a tragedy. He’s had injured players this season, but LeBron walking into the locker room with the groin injury midway through the fourth quarter looked more ominous than the impending loss. It may not be just the loss in this one, but possibly many more if LeBron can’t perform.

When the curtain fell, the Lakers lost 114-101.


LeBron -- -- Back after the last game off, LeBron’s shot looked great early on. When he has that going, it usually means a big night. He made his first five in a row (maybe six) before his first miss. Late in the game he was firing away from three again and again. With about 5 minutes left and the Lakers trying to make their final push, LeBron got fouled and was in noticeable discomfort. He had spun in the post for a turnaround during that foul and as he walked to the FT line, the pain kicked in. Horry pointed out in the third quarter that LeBron was lifting that left leg trying to stretch it a bit. After his FTs, we took a foul and he walked slowly to the locker room. They called it left leg soreness, seems like a vague description by the team. Everything around it looked like a groin pull, and we’ve been down that road before. You wonder if that left foot soreness turned into some favoring of the other leg. Then that becomes a chain reaction. The Stats: He scored 30 points on 12-22 shooting (4-9 from three, 2-4 from the line) to go with 8 boards, 5 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 2 fouls in 32 minutes. He was a -17.

Davis -- -- Some nice moments between AD and his guards. Both Nunn and Russ set him up multiple times for finishes at the rim. In the fourth quarter, he was mostly invisible offensively. When he disappears offensively, everyone defaults to the idea of putting him in the post and giving him the ball. While we want to see that, it’s the two-man action that really needs to be exploited and worked on. The two-man actions need to be worked on. Ideally, you get him rolling to the hoop for easy ones and at the very least, get him some pick-and-pop action from the midrange. Defensively, in this game there was a moment again in the third that reminded me of Markkanen taking it to him in the last one. Zu went at him in the post for a couple scores and a foul. The drop coverage and lack of ice coverage on the sideline two-man defense drives me a bit crazy this year. Teams are getting middle way too easy and causing problems. The Stats: He scored 21 points on 9-16 shooting (0-1 from three, 3-4 from the line) to go with 9 boards, 3 assists, 1 block, 3 turnovers and 5 fouls in 35 minutes. He was a -10.

Reaves -- -- He had a really good defensive game until the last few possessions. He had a smothering defensive stand against George in the corner to force a bad pass. He would challenge him well on a jumper on another stand and force a miss. He’d get an offensive foul on George who tried to muscle him on a drive using a shoulder. He had several challenges on Reggie Jackson forcing multiple misses (Reggie would get a couple easy ones late on him, but Reaves had owned that matchup all night). No fouls, either, which wasn’t easy with some of the smaller lineups he was in on. Also, good job on the glass by Reaves in this one. He gave the team several extra possessions. Shot wasn’t really there for him offensively, but we were better with him on the floor tonight because of all the little things he was giving the team. When he was off the floor for 13 minutes the team was a -14. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 3-10 shooting (1-5 from three, 1-3 from the line) to go with 9 boards (4 offensive), 1 assist, 1 turnover and no fouls in 35 minutes. He was a +1.

Brown -- -- Strong game. He knocked down a couple of threes and scored a few layups. He also hit an iso midrange stepback. He had a flurry in the third quarter that tied the game up at 71-71. We’re fortunate to get this kind of impact from him for the minimum. Defensively, he’s usually been really solid, but he had a couple mental mistakes in this one. One, he left a shooter strong side he shouldn’t have. The other, he and Bev looked confused on D and Brown’s man scored with ease. I think Bev often breaks the schemes and usually not for the betterment of the team. The Stats: He scored 14 points on 6-10 shooting (2-6 from three) to go with 4 boards, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 32 minutes. He was a -1.

Beverley -- -- Feisty game from Pat. Ultimately, I don’t know how effective it was. George was able to hit multiple jumpers over him on the wing. But maybe that’s not the best matchup anyway because of Paul’s length. Offensively, he sank a couple of threes for his only makes. He was getting good looks on those. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 2-8 shooting (2-5 from three, 1-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 5 fouls in 35 minutes. He was a +3.

Westbrook -- -- Horrendous first quarter as he went 1-8 with 3 turnovers and was a -19. He also got torched on D. He bounced back, but didn’t have the same impact as the last several games. His finishing around the rim struggled. I like when he can get that change of pace for a drive. He seems to finish better when he can do that. The three ball wasn’t dropping like the previous games, as well. Some excellent passes to his big, getting him some easy lob dunks and well as an easy one on the pick and pop. The Stats: He scored 14 points on 6-15 shooting (0-3 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 9 assists, 2 steals, 4 turnovers and 1 foul in 30 minutes. He was a -12.

Nunn -- -- He’s a serious matador on D at times. Wall definitely saw the red cape being waved and attacked past him for an And-1 on one of those. Just so soft on D. And when he can’t hit a jumper, what’s the point? There is none. Some good passes to AD for scores, but beyond that just awful, awful impact out there. He was a -16 in just 13 minutes. Just killing us. Can’t wait for Schröder to get healthy. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-4 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 3 assists, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 13 minutes. He was a -16.

Gabriel -- -- We went to the small ball action tonight. Not a lot of minutes for him. He had a nice steal late in the game from behind in the backcourt, that led to a LeBron dunk. He’d score his only bucket on an ATO, setting a screen for Reaves, cutting and taking a pass for the layup. He’d earn FTs battling on the offensive glass. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 1-1 shooting (2-2 from the line) to go with 1 board, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block and 2 fouls in 9 minutes. He was a -4.

Christie -- -- With Walker out, we’ve slid him into the mix now. Good minutes for the rookie. He was hitting the boards hard. I love his length out there at his position, even playing up at the SF at times he pulled down 5 boards in his 14 minutes. His only attempt was a corner three in transition and he knocked it down. If nothing else, he’s at least getting a chance to develop. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-1 shooting from three, had 5 boards, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 14 minutes. He was a -8.

Jones -- -- A minute of garbage time. The Stats: No stats. He was a -2.

Ryan -- -- Out of the rotation in this one. He missed his only attempt, a pull-up in garbage time. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-1 shooting in 1 minute. He was a -2.

Toscano-Anderson -- -- No notes. That says it all. The Stats: He had 1 board and 1 foul in 4 minutes. He was a +3.

Ham -- -- Key Moment: Obviously, the LBJ injury midway through the fourth probably sealed the fate of the team. The opening of the third quarter to go down by double digits quickly was bad. But maybe after we tied things up in the third and couldn’t close the quarter strong was the key. We just couldn’t sustain the intensity after that run. The championship team would put on the clamps on teams. When they got a lead late in games, they weren’t giving it up. This team can’t sustain the sense of urgency. I do think they miss a couple of their energy bench players (Schröder and Bryant).

Key Substitution: Nunn minutes are just killing the soul this season.

Key Stats: The Lakers held the Clippers to just 16 points in the second quarter…and yet still gave up 114 points.

Coach’s Challenge: Didn’t happen. Might have challenged that 5th foul AD picked up on a Paul George drive. George caught him in the neck with an elbow and you might get the refs to give you something there for that kind of above-the-shoulders contact. And at the very least, you give AD a shot to not pick up that foul. He’s been very tentative when in foul trouble this year and the team doesn’t play well like that.

Just a heads up, I am skipping the next one. If someone wants to step in for night, it would be good to get some other perspectives/voices in the mix. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:24 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB! Don't know how you do these, you deserve a game off.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:28 pm    Post subject:

Take a couple of games off DB. Me, I’m an idiot who keeps watching. Going to Vegas tomorrow, maybe I can win some cash.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:43 pm    Post subject:

DB, thank you again for the summary. Too bad the team cannot match your effort.

In sum, this team is poop. Hot poop, that is.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:35 pm    Post subject:

Before this game, John Ireland wasn't worried about the first 10 games because the Lakers' schedule was one of the toughest in the league, if not the toughest

The next 10 games are critical because they have one of the easiest schedule in the NBA and John Ireland hopes that they will be at 10-10, or close to that record - if not, then changes need to happen.

Father Time is starting to beat up on King James, hence cannot carry a team on his back

AD is an über talented player but not the Face of this team and cannot carry a team on his back.

WestBrook is showing that he is now a good player coming off the bench, but his current skills and lack of Basketball IQ or desire to maximize the balance of his NBA career is limiting his consistent effectiveness

With the opposition's shooters getting plenty of airspace to shoot, Lakers are getting torch. The energy, skills and/or talent to fulfill Ham's top priority of playing stifiling defense is gone or the opposition has adjusted to Ham's schemes. Since the weaknesses of Ham's defensive schemes with these players exposed, what will Ham's adjustments look like
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:48 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Before this game, John Ireland wasn't worried about the first 10 games because the Lakers' schedule was one of the toughest in the league, if not the toughest

The next 10 games are critical because they have one of the easiest schedule in the NBA and John Ireland hopes that they will be at 10-10, or close to that record - if not, then changes need to happen.

Father Time is starting to beat up on King James, hence cannot carry a team on his back

AD is an über talented player but not the Face of this team and cannot carry a team on his back.

WestBrook is showing that he is now a good player coming off the bench, but his current skills and lack of Basketball IQ or desire to maximize the balance of his NBA career is limiting his consistent effectiveness

With the opposition's shooters getting plenty of airspace to shoot, Lakers are getting torch. The energy, skills and/or talent to fulfill Ham's top priority of playing stifiling defense is gone or the opposition has adjusted to Ham's schemes. Since the weaknesses of Ham's defensive schemes with these players exposed, what will Ham's adjustments look like


Ireland is being a company man with all this. It's part of his job.

I have severe doubts about his assessment. But even if true, what does that say about this team?

At least for me, what I estimated at beginning of the year - at best a play in team (or thereabouts).

But after seeing these first 10 games...I mean, I do not think we are even close to that.
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A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Before this game, John Ireland wasn't worried about the first 10 games because the Lakers' schedule was one of the toughest in the league, if not the toughest

The next 10 games are critical because they have one of the easiest schedule in the NBA and John Ireland hopes that they will be at 10-10, or close to that record - if not, then changes need to happen.

Father Time is starting to beat up on King James, hence cannot carry a team on his back

AD is an über talented player but not the Face of this team and cannot carry a team on his back.

WestBrook is showing that he is now a good player coming off the bench, but his current skills and lack of Basketball IQ or desire to maximize the balance of his NBA career is limiting his consistent effectiveness

With the opposition's shooters getting plenty of airspace to shoot, Lakers are getting torch. The energy, skills and/or talent to fulfill Ham's top priority of playing stifiling defense is gone or the opposition has adjusted to Ham's schemes. Since the weaknesses of Ham's defensive schemes with these players exposed, what will Ham's adjustments look like
Ireland is being a company man with all this. It's part of his job.

I have severe doubts about his assessment. But even if true, what does that say about this team?

At least for me, what I estimated at beginning of the year - at best a play in team (or thereabouts).

But after seeing these first 10 games...I mean, I do not think we are even close to that.
Agree with your assessment of John Ireland

He does have a point about the two 10 games breakdown.

After the games with the San Antonio Spurs (3 games), an accurate and realistic assessment will be staring everybody in their face.

Since LBJ (because of Father Time) and AD (lack of Mamba Mentality, aka Pau Gasol attitude) cannot carry this team on their respective backs, what will this season be all about?

"losing James -- the team's leader in minutes, points and assists -- for any amount of time would be a major challenge for a team that's 2-9 after its fourth loss in a row."
https://global.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34991770/lakers-lebron-james-exits-loss-clippers-groin-injury

With LBJ out, AD hasn't shown the mentality or desire to "Carry" a team, hence transforming this version of the Lakers as mere entertainment with no good prospects or expectations of winning.

Does AD need a PG that can effectively deliver him the ball

Does AD need to get into everybody's face to demand the ball

With Zubac beating AD on the post, Joke to Embiid will destroy AD in the paint

Will Rob go "Danny Ainge" with LBJ and AD?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:44 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

Darvin Hamlet - good one, yes this is indeed a tragedy.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:45 am    Post subject:

Sigh
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:02 am    Post subject:

LeBron finally has a good shooting night but gets injured. Oh man this season is too similar to last.

Nunn, help us out bro!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:36 am    Post subject:

Oof.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:56 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB !!!


This is when we watch what many already knew was coming but
wished it wouldn't.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:00 am    Post subject:

You deserve some rest DB. Watching these games are brutal
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:16 am    Post subject:

22 wrote:
You deserve some rest DB. Watching these games are brutal

Maybe it was the Clipper/LA teams dynamic but this was a more fun game to watch. Things that stood out to me

- Westbrook's 2nd unit play vs Wall's. One dude is out of control and you have no idea what you'll get, vs the other who is slower, deliberate and a real floor general. Wall was a great pick up by LAC. We should have gotten him via Klutch sat WB out until we could trade him.

- Their shooting and depth vs ours.

- Them having a legit starting level Center.

- Lebron vs PG. Lebron was right there with PG in this one, for all the talk Lebron is done, he looked like an all-star in this one. But injuries are catching up with Lebron, it was inevitable.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:25 am    Post subject:

ad/russ PNR had some good things about it. Maybe now with Bron out we get more.
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Thanks DB!
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22 wrote:
You deserve some rest DB. Watching these games are brutal
Maybe it was the Clipper/LA teams dynamic but this was a more fun game to watch. Things that stood out to me

- Westbrook's 2nd unit play vs Wall's. One dude is out of control and you have no idea what you'll get, vs the other who is slower, deliberate and a real floor general. Wall was a great pick up by LAC. We should have gotten him via Klutch sat WB out until we could trade him.

- Their shooting and depth vs ours.

- Them having a legit starting level Center.

- Lebron vs PG. Lebron was right there with PG in this one, for all the talk Lebron is done, he looked like an all-star in this one. But injuries are catching up with Lebron, it was inevitable.
If LBJ = PG, then LBJ's skills are definitely going down - still very good, just not great to HOF levels/expectations

When Zubac = AD, another confirmation that AD is not the 1A Option or The Face. Still very talented, just not great and can't carry a team. Understand that he is not the one bringing up the ball, but look at what Jokic and Greek Freak are doing.
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Ya but PG is playing very well, and Lebron hasn't. This game I felt Lebron kept that level very high. It was nice to see. Seems we have to load manage Lebron. We did it last year and he had a strong season. I rather Lebron play 50 games, 40 of this quality, and rest a lot, than play 70 games and half of them are trashy level.

Zubac comment was that they have a legit starter at 5, while we have a guy who doesn't want to start there, starting and we have backup 5s who shouldn't be part of any good NBA teams rotation (Gabriel, Jones).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:57 pm    Post subject:

Watched this one in its entirety, first game this season. The energy is bizarre with this team. It looked like they had fight in the second, but all the easy layups we gave up, and some of our misses were so far off. I feel for Darvin, this is a sinking ship with a lot of holes, and they handed him an anchor.

Thanks DB, part of the reasons I don't watch the games is because I can get your wrap-up/breakdown shortly after, (and I work nights). Thanks for all the hard work, hope there is more "good" stuff to read in the future, because we look cooked this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:31 pm    Post subject:

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Thanks DB! Don't know how you do these, you deserve a game off.


Agreed, this is going to be a long slog and we need to keep DB rested and hydrated.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:55 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB

I've already accepted this season was a lost much earlier.

Watching games with the expectation this team is bottom-5 has been less stressful, even if we don't have the pick.

We need to have an evaluative mindset as the season goes on: look what is/isn't worth keeping in preparation for next year.

I'll be content with whatever happens in the end this season as long as they don't foolishly trade the 2 FRP's.
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wolfpaclaker wrote:
Ya but PG is playing very well, and Lebron hasn't. This game I felt Lebron kept that level very high. It was nice to see. Seems we have to load manage Lebron. We did it last year and he had a strong season. I rather Lebron play 50 games, 40 of this quality, and rest a lot, than play 70 games and half of them are trashy level.

Zubac comment was that they have a legit starter at 5, while we have a guy who doesn't want to start there, starting and we have backup 5s who shouldn't be part of any good NBA teams rotation (Gabriel, Jones).
Acknowledge your positions

On the Clips, PG is the recognized 1B and is an excellent player that is performing at a high level. LBJ is playing well and unable to carry a team, as he has before. Acknowledge that most people feel that it is not realistic for a 37 years old LBJ for him to carry a team, but the mindset and LBJ's POV is that he still can.


Zubac - LBJ Comparison
As Ham has stated, feelings are not part of a decision process of what is needed to win games. Many NBA pundits have clearly stated their position that the Lakers need AD to play the 5 and AD has agreed. Zubac is a serviceable 5 that lost minutes to the Clips' other 5 the last season. Zubac is not a major presence on the defensive and offensive side of the Clips, yet Zubac had several easy blow-by on A. Gabriel is trying to be a Drammond Green-like 5, his only option and possibility.


Strange to say that LBJ and AD are not making the other players better. There have been countless commentaries on why this has not happened, but the bottom line is that LBJ/AD have to figure it out within themselves.
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