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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:00 pm    Post subject: PACERS -at- LAKERS - 11-28-22 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Up 17 in the Fourth and Losing... The Lakers won each of the first three quarters by 3 points - a steady effort in the first three with 30+ point quarters.

As they pushed out to a 17-point lead in the fourth off Westbrook creating off the dribble, the wheels came off. As Russ sat, the Pacers chipped away at the lead.

The Pacers rattled off a 10-0 run in a couple minutes and the lead was just 7 with more than half a quarter left to go.

The Lakers got comfortable and started losing the little battles. They didn’t involved AD. Turnovers, bad match-ups in transition and the lead was just 1 point with 2 minutes to go.

The Pacers had a chance to take the lead with three shots at the rim that somehow stayed out in a scramble under the hoop with 44 seconds left. AD would miss a freethrow on the other end.

The Lakers would give up an uncontested layup. We countered with a LeBron iso that he was able to muscle in a layup with 21 seconds left. The Pacers could tie it up or win with the final possession.

After Turner missed a three, the Lakers couldn’t secure the board. The ball found an open shooter…and bang. You’re dead. The Lakers lost at the buzzer on a three, 116-115. L.A. with the biggest collapse in the fourth quarter by an NBA team this season.


LeBron -- -- He had 14 points on 5-11 shooting, but just 3-11 shooting for LeBron in the second half. He settled for quite a few threes, missed from the midrange and blew a late layup. He got that last Laker score on an iso, but just not an efficient game. He stepped on a foot in the first half and tweak his ankle. I’m not sure if that may have slowed him down. He had a coast-to-coast layup off a board that had him in freight train mode. But the 21 on 22 shots is not LBJ-like ball, for sure. The Stats: He scored 21 points on 8-22 shooting (3-10 from three, 2-3 from the line) to go with 7 boards, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 36 minutes. He was a -7.

Davis -- -- He led the Lakers with 18 points, 5 boards and 5 assists in the first half. That scoring was with a number of double teams. Again, not a lot of post up scoring early as he would draw instant doubles. The 5 assists were the result of moving the ball well out of those. He also hit both Russ and LeBron cutting baseline for scores. Scoring wise, he had a nice And-1 floater after faking a handoff and crossing over on a drive. Teammates found him in the paint for quite a few dunks for his other scores in the half. In the second half, he’d force a timeout working in the post as the Lakers went up 8. Just 7 points, however in the second half. He wasn’t really involved in the game late (just 2 shots in the fourth) and that’s both the guards and coaches fault. The Lakers tried to hold onto a lead instead of play ball, I think. We’ve been closing teams by involving him in offense on the two-man action. He did have a post up he kicked to Russ for a three, but I want to see him rolling to the hoop, causing problems. He missed a FT in the final minute that came back to bite them. The Stats: He scored 25 points on 9-15 shooting (7-10 from the line) to go with 13 boards, 6 assists, 4 blocks, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 37 minutes. He was a -1.

Walker IV -- -- I kind of missed him down the stretch of this one. The three ball wasn’t falling and Russ was playing well, but We went with BRown, Russ and Schröder even with a few minutes left. Quiet night. He sank a pull up in the middle of the lane. He had a layup on the break and another coming weak to strong on a SLOB play. He hit a three on a kickout. The Stats: He scored 9 points on 4-9 shooting (1-5 from three) to go with 4 boards, 2 assists, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 22 minutes. He was a -4.

Schröder -- -- He had a team-low -16 tonight and was closing the game with Russ. One of those guys should be sitting. Russ kind of had things rolling and was hitting his threes. Dennis played better D, but was a non-factor offensively for the most part in the second half. First half, he hit a three at the buzzer to end the half. Unfortunately, Pacers hit that three at the buzzer to end the next half. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 2-6 shooting (1-4 from three, 3-4 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 4 fouls in 30 minutes. He was a -16.

Brown -- -- This game might be summed up in one play from Brown. He had what looked like might be a sure hoop along the baseline, but just went to the rim soft and was swatted badly at the last second. He also had one of those late turnovers as we were just not careful with our possessions late. A lot of minutes tonight. He was able to get to some boards, but those little plays hurt. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-5 shooting (1-2 from three) to go with 10 boards (4 offensive), 1 assist, 1 block, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 29 minutes. He was a -3.

Westbrook -- -- He really gave the team some nice impact in the second half. He hit threes when his starts were doubled. He was knocking down midrange shots from all sides of the floor. He was dancing and scoring or setting up teammates. Some sloppy plays down the stretch for sure, but one of the reasons we had bigger leads in this game was his play. Defensively, we could have used some more energy from him on that end (including closing out both the third and fourth quarters), but he gave the Lakers some much needed lift off the bench tonight. He played his role well. Can’t ask for much more than that. The Stats: He scored 24 points on 10-18 shooting (2-4 from three, 2-3 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 6 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 6 turnovers and 1 foul in 27 minutes. He was a +1.

Reaves -- -- He had 8 points in the first half on just 1-2 shooting, again super efficient. He buried a three when AD was doubled in the post and found him. Then drew FTs on another three and got to the line on a nice burst of speed off a high screen. He’s been great at getting to the line, especially on drives. It seems like it’s an instant foul most of the time. That’s given him confidence to attack in transition or down the lane in the half court. He had 13 points tonight on 2-4 shooting (one of those was a heave when LeBron put him in a bad position with the clock about to expire). Perfect kind of low usage ball you want around your stars. Defensively, he had a few moments but struggled with Haliburton. A couple of poor defensive stands on drives down the stretch. The Stats: He scored 13 points on 2-4 shooting (2-3 from three, 7-7 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 1 assist, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 31 minutes. He was a +6.

Bryant -- -- Brief stint in the firs half where he scored a bucket crashing the glass. But just 3 minutes in this one. The Lakers went to the small ball again in the second half, with some taller guards out there. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-2 shooting to go with 3 offensive boards in 3 minutes. He was a +3.

Gabriel -- -- Some good hustle from him tonight. The 2-7 number shooting was probably related to missing and tipping at a few shots. He had 5 offensive boards. So he wasn’t quite as inefficient as some of those came on the same possessions. Good energy and hustle. He was giving the Pacers some problems. He missed a three on one play, cut down the lane shortly later and Bryant found him for FTs. Russ set him up for a dunk on a little dance and dish action in the lane. The Stats: He scored 5 points on 2-7 shooting (0-1 from three, 1-2 from the line) to go with 9 boards (5 offensive), 1 block, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 13 minutes. He was a +5.

Nunn -- -- His one make tonight was on a nice swing-swing sequence where Reaves found him and he swished the three. The Stats: He scored 5 points on 1-5 shooting (1-2 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards and no fouls in 11 minutes. He was a +11.

Ham -- -- Key Moment: While that final shot decided things, I think it was that 2-minute stretch right after we went up by 17 where the Pacers rattled off a 10-0 run.

Key Substitution: Felt like momentum shifted right as we sat Russ in that fourth quarter. But late in the game, we had some odd lineups out there. Schröder/Russ/Brown with 3 minutes to go. Closed with both Schröder and Russ. No Lonnie, who has been clutch for the team late in games lately.

Key Stats: Just for fun: Turner and Hield were 2-13 from three, Russ was 2-4. Offense died for the Lakers in that fourth. They had 30+ points in each of the first 3 quarters, then just 22 to close. Some dumb turnovers and just 2 shot attempts for AD in the fourth. They lost focus with that big lead.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:09 pm    Post subject:

The momentum indeed shifted after Russ was subbed out in the 4th, they immediately went on a 10-0 run which contained some lebron hero ball possessions(at this point, those are hard to watch), if he played Russ for a couple of more minutes, and take him out and go with the starters to finish, we might have a different result because it was clearly Russ who had the hot hand at that point.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:17 pm    Post subject:

DB I give props to you for writing this evening that took a lot of wind out of our sails lol
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:24 pm    Post subject:

Thanks as always, DB! You a true one!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:27 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB. Wish we could just flush this one, but I’m afraid it’s more an indicator that we’re not a very good team than just a bad night. Ham is certainly getting an education for a rookie head coach. Hope he survives.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:44 pm    Post subject:

Most frustrating game to watch all year. Blame game for the loss:

- Lebron, for getting too excited by his first good night beyond the arc the previous game, so he came in tonight thinking he's Steph Curry in 3PAs (bricking a bunch). He knows he was wrong because he started with the too little, too late drives to the basket at the very end (missed one, made one). Yes, that arrogant rookie Pacer outplayed you in decision making alone.

- Ham, for so many bad coaching choices, but why are WB, Dennis and Reaves all in there over Walker (as DB pointed out), Tuscano Anderson. and Brown with LBJ/AD? He stuck with that bad lineup for the last two timeouts of the game, and they scored both times. Put in your larger perimeter defenders when you have to defend the three!!!! It's not rocket science.

- Westbrook, for tarnishing his excellent scoring with so many unforced turnovers due to his poor aim with distant passes.

Props to the Pacers for coming back from an embarrassing loss to the Clips by taking it out on us. =/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:59 pm    Post subject:

Supposedly veteran-laden team with 3 HOFers playing like a rookie-laden team celebrating too early, playing not to lose and lacking the killer mentality

Big Game Rob shared the following:
He wished that every player on the Lakers had blocked out their opposing number as oppose to looking at the basket trying to get the rebound

DFish stated that the Shaq/Kobe/Pau teams played to bury teams when they had big leads so that they can load management their big dogs

Stu stated that the Lakers should NOT give up a 3pt shot since a 2pt shot would only mean OT - Basketball IQ

Lakers lost a game they should not have

Lakers lost an opportunity to rest LBJ and AD

Maybe they need to have the Principals of the Black Mamba preached again Again AGAIN
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:40 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB. People point to the game-winning 3 and a couple possessions before that, but the game was lost when we lost that 17-point lead.

Why the hell does this team start walking the ball upcourt and milking the shot clock in the second half, especially the fourth quarter and especially when we have the lead?

We need to continue to push the ball and look to extend leads and put the game out of reach. Coach Ham seemed to admit as much in the postgame press conference.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:39 am    Post subject:

This team finds new ways to disappoint. LeBron plays these 4th quarters like a guy who still thinks he’s a 1st team forward. The results are hard to watch.

He's really bumming me out this season. I mean how many times are you going to throw that pitch down the stretch, generating s*** offense?

This fkn team man


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:46 am    Post subject:

ugh
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:52 am    Post subject:

LeBron lost this game, running down the shot clock and taking ill advise shot. This is not winning basketball. If this is how play is run, we don't need a coach. WB, LeBron and AD can play how they want to. The whole culture needs to reset by moving James and WB.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:01 am    Post subject:

I’d rather this team win 35 games without LeBron than 45 with him. Watching games like yesterday just robs me of any joy in being a fan.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:33 am    Post subject:

What a colossal breakdown.
I was irate after the game.
How do you blow a 17 point lead in the 4th, at home?
You know how?
You stop defending the 3 pt line
Stop defending 1 on 1.
Start daydreaming
Bask in the earlier celebrations you had
Rely on crap possessions at the end.
Have a crap lineup out there
Allow Lebron to ball golf and take ill advised shots..
Not look for the best shot, feeding Davis in the middle….

I hope they were all miserable after the game!
Instead of being 8-11, we are 7-12
Missed opportunity!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:44 am    Post subject:

anth2000 wrote:
What a colossal breakdown.
I was irate after the game.
How do you blow a 17 point lead in the 4th, at home?
You know how?
You stop defending the 3 pt line
Stop defending 1 on 1.
Start daydreaming
Bask in the earlier celebrations you had
Rely on crap possessions at the end.
Have a crap lineup out there
Allow Lebron to ball golf and take ill advised shots..
Not look for the best shot, feeding Davis in the middle….

I hope they were all miserable after the game!
Instead of being 8-11, we are 7-12
Missed opportunity!!!


Total Team collapse in the 4th qt; from the coach, on down to the end of the bench. smh
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:59 am    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
What a colossal breakdown.
I was irate after the game.
How do you blow a 17 point lead in the 4th, at home?
You know how?
You stop defending the 3 pt line
Stop defending 1 on 1.
Start daydreaming
Bask in the earlier celebrations you had
Rely on crap possessions at the end.
Have a crap lineup out there
Allow Lebron to ball golf and take ill advised shots..
Not look for the best shot, feeding Davis in the middle….

I hope they were all miserable after the game!
Instead of being 8-11, we are 7-12
Missed opportunity!!!


Total Team collapse in the 4th qt; from the coach, on down to the end of the bench. smh


Coach Ham is an idiot.
Wish we had Carlisle.
He kicked our ass.
Easy for him to do.
Out-coached our inexperienced coach.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:13 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:04 am    Post subject:

I only watched highlights on youtube, but I almost turned off half way through. That defense was just unwatchable.
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