Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:13 am Post subject: Suspect arrested in Idaho murders of 4 college students
A suspect has been arrested today. News conference at around 4pm EST. He was arrested in Pennsylvania.
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Bryan Kohberger, Idaho Murders Suspect: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Bryan Kohberger was identified as the suspect accused in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students were killed in Moscow, Idaho. Kohberger, 28, was arrested on December 30, 2022, in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, court records show. His name was confirmed by WPVI, a Philadelphia news station.
Kohberger is facing extradition to Idaho on murder charges, the news station reports. Kohberger, an Albrightsville, Pennsylvania native, is a graduate student at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, not far from Moscow. According to the WSU website, Kohberger is pursusing his Ph.D in criminal justice and criminology.
The deaths have roiled the campus town. The four friends were found inside a home. The deaths were previously ruled a homicide.
“These individuals have been identified as Ethan Chapin, 20, Conway, WA; Madison Mogen, 21, Coeur d’Alene, ID; Xana Kernodle, 20, Avondale, AZ ; and Kaylee GonCalves, 21, Rathdrum, ID,” Moscow, Idaho, police wrote in a statement.
The cause of death was homicide by stabbing. Authorities were searching for a Rambo-style military knife called a KA-BAR knife, according to journalist Angela Palermo.
“There was blood everywhere,” an investigative source told Daily Mail. “We have investigators who have been on the job for 20, even 30, years, and they say they have never seen anything like this.”
Man arrested in Poconos in connection to murders of 4 University of Idaho students, sources say
Action News has confirmed the man's identity as 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger.
MOUNT POCONO, Pennsylvania (WPVI) -- A 28-year-old man was arrested Friday in the Poconos in connection with the murders of four University of Idaho students, law enforcement sources tell ABC News.
Action News has confirmed the man's name is Bryan Kohberger.
Sources say that authorities knew who they were looking for and had tracked Kohberger down to the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania.
A SWAT team entered the location Kohberger was staying in and took him into custody, sources say.
Kohberger was apprehended by Pennsylvania State Police and the FBI.
He appeared before a judge in Pennsylvania on Friday morning. Court documents show the judge ordered Kohberger's extradition to Idaho where he will face criminal charges.
The Moscow Police Department in Idaho will hold a news conference Friday afternoon to announce developments in the investigation.
Looks like he drove that White Elantra they were looking for:
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A Hyundai Elantra was taken away from the person's home in Pennsylvania on Friday, law enforcement sources said. Police in Moscow had been looking for a white Hyundai Elantra as a possible piece of evidence.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:32 am Post subject:
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So glad they caught this guy, great job by the Police and FBI in the face of a lot of public criticism.
News conference coming up at 1 pm PST.
Here is the link for the upcoming news conference if interested:
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No info released today.
Per Idaho law: affidavit containing the probable cause for his arrest has been sealed until he physically appears in Idaho and is served this arrest warrant first.
UPDATES: Kohberger’s DNA has also been matched to genetic material recovered at the off-campus house where the students were stabbed to death, according to the sources. An FBI team from Philadelphia has been tracking him for four days in the area where he was arrested. #Idaho4
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#BREAKING: Moscow Police say DNA and a 2015 white Hyundai Elantra led them to arrest Bryan Christopher Kohberger, 28, for the murders of four Idaho students – Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:10 pm Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he was on their radar early on and they were tailing him waiting for a slip up.
The fact that they have the DNA match makes me think they may have matched him through a database early on and they were waiting to build more evidence to connect him to the crime. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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And everything you built that’s all for show
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Wouldn't be surprised if he was on their radar early on and they were tailing him waiting for a slip up.
The fact that they have the DNA match makes me think they may have matched him through a database early on and they were waiting to build more evidence to connect him to the crime.
I’m thinking he has no criminal record so his DNA wasn’t in the system. They tracked his name down via the Elantra, got his DNA probably by following him, compared it to the crime scene DNA and got the match that way.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:43 pm Post subject:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he was on their radar early on and they were tailing him waiting for a slip up.
The fact that they have the DNA match makes me think they may have matched him through a database early on and they were waiting to build more evidence to connect him to the crime.
I’m thinking he has no criminal record so his DNA wasn’t in the system. They tracked his name down via the Elantra, got his DNA probably by following him, compared it to the crime scene DNA and got the match that way.
I thought about the scenario, but tracking him from the car alone would be a monumental task unless they had a license plate number, which certainly is possible, but if they did, they kept quiet about it. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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And everything you built that’s all for show
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I thought about the scenario, but tracking him from the car alone would be a monumental task unless they had a license plate number, which certainly is possible, but if they did, they kept quiet about it.
Which makes sense. Once they have his name, they don't want him to know they're onto him.
But regarding the DNA, I don't know what crimes you need to commit before they have your DNA on the database. For sure any sex crimes, but other than that, I'm not sure.
I know they take your fingerprints anytime you're arrested, but DNA is a different matter.
I know they had trouble catching the Golden State killer because of no matches on the DNA database. Eventually, they turned to a genealogy website that had a match to one of his relatives that eventually lead to his capture.
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DNA from genealogy site used to catch suspected Golden State Killer
Joseph James DeAngelo, 72, a former police officer, was arrested on Tuesday
More than three decades after his trail went cold, one of California's most prolific serial killers and rapists was caught by using online genealogical sites to find a DNA match, prosecutors said Thursday.
Investigators compared the DNA collected from a crime scene of the Golden State Killer to online genetic profiles and found a match: a relative of the man police have identified as Joseph James DeAngelo, 72, who was arrested Tuesday at his suburban Sacramento home.
Authorities didn't give the name of the site, one of many that allows people to send in their DNA and find long-lost relatives, like Ancestry and 23andMe.
They also didn't outline the rest of the investigative process, or how they used that match to zero in on DeAngelo, the former police officer accused of being California's notorious Golden State Killer.
Despite an outpouring of thousands of tips over the years, DeAngelo's name had not been on the radar of law enforcement before last week, Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert said.
When contacted, both Ancestry and 23andMe said they weren't involved in the case.
Investigators also revealed Thursday that DeAngelo is the prime suspect in the 1975 killing of a community college teacher, raising the total number of his alleged victims to 13.
Detectives are trying to link DeAngelo to that slaying and about 100 burglaries that occurred in Visalia, in central California, while DeAngelo served as a police officer in nearby Exeter, said Visalia Police Chief Jason Salazar.
The police chief said he believes DeAngelo is the so-called Visalia Ransacker, who terrorized the farming community about 65 kilometres south of Fresno from early 1974 until late 1975.
Authorities previously alleged he was responsible for 12 murders and dozens of rapes in California from 1976 to 1986. The suspect, they said, was tied to many of those crimes through DNA.
The Ransacker crimes have not yet been added to the tally announced Tuesday in Sacramento because there is no DNA evidence connecting DeAngelo to the Visalia crimes, Salazar said.
DeAngelo is suspected of shooting to death journalism teacher Claude Snelling after Snelling caught him trying to kidnap his 16-year-old daughter, Salazar said.
DeAngelo matches the description of Snelling's killer, and the serial burglar operated the same way DeAngelo is alleged to have operated in the other crimes, Salazar said.
'Very elusive'
The Visalia suspect used sophisticated "pry tools" to gain entrance to locked homes, just as DeAngelo is alleged to have used in the other crimes, he said.
The Visalia suspect was seen wearing a ski mask and eluded capture because of an apparent deep-knowledge of police work. "He was very elusive and always had a good escape route," Salazar said.
Visalia police also have fingerprints and shoe tracks that will be investigated for matches to DeAngelo. Detectives will look to see if items taken during the Visalia burglaries are uncovered during the investigation of DeAngelo, Salazar said.
Investigators searched DeAngelo's home on Thursday, looking for class rings, earrings, dishes and other items that were taken from crime scenes.
Authorities were seeking weapons and other items that could link the suspect to the crimes, Sacramento County Sheriff's Lt. Paul Belli said. He declined to say what, if anything, investigators had found.
Investigators backed two vehicles, a motorcycle and fishing boat out of the home's three-car garage and installed tarps to block prying eyes and news cameras.
Police, military background
Retired FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt said he and others have speculated the serial killer had police or military training because of the sophistication of the crimes and the suspect's ability to elude capture.
DeAngelo had both. He served six years as a police officer after serving for nearly two years in the U.S. navy during the Vietnam War. He worked as an officer in Exeter from 1973 until 1976, when he joined the Auburn Police Department outside Sacramento. Auburn fired him in 1979 after he was caught shoplifting a hammer and dog repellent.
Investigators have linked DeAngelo to 11 murders that occurred after he was fired from the police department.
"There may have been a revenge aspect to it," Van Zandt said. "He was going to show police that he was smarter than any of them and that it was a mistake to fire him."
Investigators said DeAngelo appeared to stop killing and raping after 1986 and settled down to steady employment and a middle-class life.
Former profilers said most serial killers usually don't stop until they die or get arrested, but a few have voluntarily quit.
Scientists developed a way to identify rapists and others through DNA fingerprinting in 1986, the same year as DeAngelo's last alleged murder.
Experts noted that DeAngelo, who graduated from Sacramento State with a criminal justice degree, most likely knew about the highly publicized DNA breakthrough.
"He knew police techniques," said Louis Schlesinger, a professor with the New York-based John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "He was smart."
I am assuming it was blood he left at the scene. It seems when you stab people to death with a knife that you are likely to cut yourself in the process.
It will be interesting to hear how they were able to put it all together, perhaps he left hair or saliva or something but my guess is blood.
Just a brutal crime, my guess is he is a weirdo who couldn't get girls and was probably infatuated with one of the young women. Glad he is off the streets _________________ Love, Laker Lanny
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 6:13 pm Post subject:
LakerLanny wrote:
I am assuming it was blood he left at the scene. It seems when you stab people to death with a knife that you are likely to cut yourself in the process.
It will be interesting to hear how they were able to put it all together, perhaps he left hair or saliva or something but my guess is blood.
Just a brutal crime, my guess is he is a weirdo who couldn't get girls and was probably infatuated with one of the young women. Glad he is off the streets
Yep, like OJ _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 6:23 pm Post subject:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
I thought about the scenario, but tracking him from the car alone would be a monumental task unless they had a license plate number, which certainly is possible, but if they did, they kept quiet about it.
Which makes sense. Once they have his name, they don't want him to know they're onto him.
Yep, it does. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:43 pm Post subject:
idaho: come for the potatoes, leave, be exdradited, stay for the back to back to back to back life sentences _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
* Looks like they caught Kohberger the same way they caught the Golden State killer, through genealogy:
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Genetic genealogy helped investigators identify the suspect, a source with knowledge of the case told CNN. DNA found in Idaho was taken through a public database to find potential matches for family members, the source said. Once potential family matches were found, subsequent investigative work by law enforcement led to the identification of Kohberger, according to CNN’s source.
* He was pretty active on reddit:
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In a Reddit post removed after Kohberger’s arrest was announced, a student investigator named Bryan Kohberger who was associated with a DeSales University study sought participation in a research project “to understand how emotions and psychological traits influence decision-making when committing a crime.”
“In particular, this study seeks to understand the story behind your most recent criminal offense, with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience,” the post said.
CNN reached one of the principal investigators of the study, a professor at DeSales University, but they declined to comment on the matter. The university has not responded to requests for comment.
An online post by Kohberger – now removed by Reddit – asked people to participate in a criminal justice study “to understand how emotions and psychological traits influence decision-making when committing a crime. In particular, this study seeks to understand the story behind your most recent criminal offense, with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience.”
* He lived 15 min away:
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He lives in Pullman, just 15 minutes from the home where the students were murdered.
* No motive yet:
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Detectives are staying tight-lipped on any possible motive.
* He allegedly asked if they arrested anyone else:
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Kohberger reportedly asked state police when they brought him in if they made any other arrests. “I cannot confirm that, or I’m not sure, but that would be a part of our investigation,” said Fry.
Wouldn't be surprised if he was on their radar early on and they were tailing him waiting for a slip up.
The fact that they have the DNA match makes me think they may have matched him through a database early on and they were waiting to build more evidence to connect him to the crime.
They said he wore gloves whenever he got groceries, indicating they were already surreptitiously trying to get a discarded DNA sample. And he was already paranoid. It is Winter, but most patrons once in the supermarket take their gloves off. I'd like to know what DNA they got from him at the scene. They didn't mention that he had cuts on the inside of his fingers suggesting a slip down the blade, which often happens if the killer's knife lacks a hand guard. But nowadays, they can get DNA from a strand of hair or a micro spot of something that they illuminated w/ lasers/chemicals, etc. Wonder how he F'd up. I dunno how he could kill 4 w/o one waking up to struggle w/ him, much less 2 others not hearing anything and him not searching for more people in the house. Lotta weirdness in this one. If he did cut himself somehow, we should see a pic of the injury at some point. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
Interesting seeing the routine traffic stops when he was driving home with his dad. You could see in his face how scared shtless he was when the cop came up. I think he was smart enough to realize they were on to him.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:20 am Post subject:
non-player zealot wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he was on their radar early on and they were tailing him waiting for a slip up.
The fact that they have the DNA match makes me think they may have matched him through a database early on and they were waiting to build more evidence to connect him to the crime.
They said he wore gloves whenever he got groceries, indicating they were already surreptitiously trying to get a discarded DNA sample. And he was already paranoid. It is Winter, but most patrons once in the supermarket take their gloves off. I'd like to know what DNA they got from him at the scene. They didn't mention that he had cuts on the inside of his fingers suggesting a slip down the blade, which often happens if the killer's knife lacks a hand guard.
Bryan Kohberger's DNA was found on a knife sheath at the scene of the Idaho murders ...
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But nowadays, they can get DNA from a strand of hair or a micro spot of something that they illuminated w/ lasers/chemicals, etc. Wonder how he F'd up. I dunno how he could kill 4 w/o one waking up to struggle w/ him, much less 2 others not hearing anything and him not searching for more people in the house. Lotta weirdness in this one. If he did cut himself somehow, we should see a pic of the injury at some point.
and authorities made a match by rooting through trash at his family's house and finding his dad's DNA, which had enough of a match to the DNA taken from the sheath for cops to pin the murders on Bryan.
LINK _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Wouldn't be surprised if he was on their radar early on and they were tailing him waiting for a slip up.
The fact that they have the DNA match makes me think they may have matched him through a database early on and they were waiting to build more evidence to connect him to the crime.
I’m thinking he has no criminal record so his DNA wasn’t in the system. They tracked his name down via the Elantra, got his DNA probably by following him, compared it to the crime scene DNA and got the match that way.
I thought about the scenario, but tracking him from the car alone would be a monumental task unless they had a license plate number, which certainly is possible, but if they did, they kept quiet about it.
Sounds like that's exactly what happened:
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According to the arrest warrant affidavit just released, authorities had Kohberger in their crosshairs less than 2 weeks after the murders. As we reported, cops were on the hunt for a white Hyundai Elantra. On November 13 -- the date of the murders -- there were several videos showing the white Elantra making 3 passes by the murder house before finally stopping at 4:04 AM.
Multiple surveillance videos show the car leaving the area of the murder house at 4:20 AM at a high rate of speed.
Police initiated a video canvas around the murder scene and it appears the car traveled toward Washington State University, which Kohberger attends -- 10 miles from the murder house.
On November 25, cops released info to law enforcement that they were on the lookout for a white Hyundai Elantra. On November 29, a WSU cop pulled up a hit on Kohberger's vehicle and license plate number. Cops went to his apartment in the middle of the night and observed a white Elantra sitting in the driveway.
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Bryan Kohberger's DNA was found on a knife sheath at the scene of the Idaho murders ... and authorities made a match by rooting through trash at his family's house and finding his dad's DNA, which had enough of a match to the DNA taken from the sheath for cops to pin the murders on Bryan.
Wow, so that means they never got Bryan's DNA at all (to match). They only could get his dad's DNA.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:10 pm Post subject:
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Are you ready to hear something? I want you to see if this sounds familiar: any time you try a decent crime, you got fifty ways you're gonna (bleep) up. If you think of twenty-five of them, then you're a genius - and you ain't no genius.
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- Kohberger was identified by his "bushy eyebrows". According to the arrest affidavit, one of the survivors [Dylan Mortensen or D.M.] saw him and described him as:
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D.M. stated she opened her door for the third time after she heard the crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person’s mouth and nose walking towards her. D.M. described the figure as 5’10” or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a “frozen shock phase.” The male walked towards the back sliding glass door.
Then, when they located his Hundai Elantra at WSU, they looked at his driver's license and noticed the bushy eyebrows:
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Later that same day, WSU Officer Curtis Whitman located a white 2015 Hyundai Elantra in the parking lot of the defendant’s apartment complex. The officer ran the tags and they allegedly returned a match for Kohberger.
Payne writes that he went on to review the defendant’s “driver license information and photograph” which “shows that he has bushy eyebrows” and is six-feet tall.
“Kohberger’s physical description is consistent with the description of the male [Mortensen] saw inside the King Road Residence on November 13th,” the affidavit says.
- Kohberger turned his phone off during the murders:
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Ultimately, Payne alleges, between 2:47 a.m. and 4:48 a.m. that night, the defendant turned his phone off in an attempt “to conceal his location during the quadruple homicide that occurred at the King Road Residence.”
According to the affidavit, investigators also obtained a search warrant for Kohberger’s “historical” phone records in an effort to determine whether he “stalked any of the victims” before they were killed, “conducted surveillance” on the well-known off-campus housing, or otherwise “was in contact with any of the victims’ associates before or after” the murders.
Payne writes that the defendant’s phone allegedly used the same cellular phone tower that provided coverage to the victims’ house “on at least twelve occasions prior to November 13, 2022.”
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