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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:05 pm    Post subject:

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Kuzma was like a pre-injury Mo Taylor - great volume scorer on a poor team, but a mixed bag on a contender.


Again that’s greatly unfair to Kuzma.

Last year he went to the wiz and won more games than Russ did despite Beal missing most the time.

His last year in LA, he pretty much kept the team in contention out West. Under Frank and without AD or Bron, he played the most minutes, took the most shots, led the team in rebounds, assists, points, and every category with Dennis as his 2 and they hovered at 45 ball with a top defense.

This year he’s played the roll of point forward and he outright beat Rui out his minutes and spot. Let’s not act like if the Wizards said Kuzma or Rui at the same price, the answer wouldn’t have been Kuzma.

Kuzma was in a situation where he didn’t get to start even one game with AD and Bron. He lost a chuck on shots, lost a third of his minutes, and was told he a bench player. It’s really hard to say if Kuzma starts on this team with Lebron and AD, he’s not quite easily the third best player, the best perimeter defender, a top rebounder, and guy. He never got the chance to start with Bron or AD for a game let alone a fourth of a year or anything substantial.

And yes I know he’s being judged by not winning, but no one has ever won with Beal or Porzingis whose name is not Wall and Luka. Heck the guy won more games in the season last year than Russ and Beal did when they made the play in and playoffs the year before despite Beal missing a large part the year.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:18 pm    Post subject:

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Dr. Laker wrote:
Kuzma was like a pre-injury Mo Taylor - great volume scorer on a poor team, but a mixed bag on a contender.


Again that’s greatly unfair to Kuzma.

Last year he went to the wiz and won more games than Russ did despite Beal missing most the time.

His last year in LA, he pretty much kept the team in contention out West. Under Frank and without AD or Bron, he played the most minutes, took the most shots, led the team in rebounds, assists, points, and every category with Dennis as his 2 and they hovered at 45 ball with a top defense.

This year he’s played the roll of point forward and he outright beat Rui out his minutes and spot. Let’s not act like if the Wizards said Kuzma or Rui at the same price, the answer wouldn’t have been Kuzma.

Kuzma was in a situation where he didn’t get to start even one game with AD and Bron. He lost a chuck on shots, lost a third of his minutes, and was told he a bench player. It’s really hard to say if Kuzma starts on this team with Lebron and AD, he’s not quite easily the third best player, the best perimeter defender, a top rebounder, and guy. He never got the chance to start with Bron or AD for a game let alone a fourth of a year or anything substantial.

And yes I know he’s being judged by not winning, but no one has ever won with Beal or Porzingis whose name is not Wall and Luka. Heck the guy won more games in the season last year than Russ and Beal did when they made the play in and playoffs the year before despite Beal missing a large part the year.


Dude, I LIKE Kuzma. The reality is that his best role is as 6th/7th man on a good team. That's not a knock. He's a volume scorer - but not an efficient one. He's a willing defender - but not a good one. He's an average rebounder and an improving playmaker.

I think Hachimura has the physical tools to be a better defender and more efficient scorer than Kuz.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:27 pm    Post subject:

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Last year he went to the wiz and won more games than Russ did despite Beal missing most the time.


In the bubble year and the year after the best month Kuzma ever had with the Lakers was:

16.4 points (43.2% fg, 34.8% 3p, 61.9% ft), 7.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.1 blocks in 33.3 minutes

His second best month was:

14.9 points (43.3% fg, 29.2% 3p, 76.6% ft), 5.5 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 0.4 blocks, 0.1 steals, in 27.4 minutes

His playoff numbers were:

9.1 points (40.1% fg, 28.3% 3p), 3.3 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.3 blocks, in 22.7 minutes

He's a solid player. But he's nothing special. A pretty good scorer, and average at most other things. I wouldn't mind him back on the team, but I wouldn't give up a pick for him.

With regards to the Wizards that team had more than just Kuzma going to them after Russ left. They also obtained KCP, Trez, Porzingis, and Dinwiddie. And one more game, while missing the playoffs. Yeah they only won 34 games the year before, but they made the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:23 am    Post subject:

It is amazing to see how similar this guy’s offensive game is to KL. It’s like damn near identical.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:36 am    Post subject:

george w kush wrote:
It is amazing to see how similar this guy’s offensive game is to KL. It’s like damn near identical.


on offense yes, but on defense, KL is miles ahead, but he has potential to be very good defender too.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:48 am    Post subject:

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Kblo247! wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Kuzma was like a pre-injury Mo Taylor - great volume scorer on a poor team, but a mixed bag on a contender.


Again that’s greatly unfair to Kuzma.

Last year he went to the wiz and won more games than Russ did despite Beal missing most the time.

His last year in LA, he pretty much kept the team in contention out West. Under Frank and without AD or Bron, he played the most minutes, took the most shots, led the team in rebounds, assists, points, and every category with Dennis as his 2 and they hovered at 45 ball with a top defense.

This year he’s played the roll of point forward and he outright beat Rui out his minutes and spot. Let’s not act like if the Wizards said Kuzma or Rui at the same price, the answer wouldn’t have been Kuzma.

Kuzma was in a situation where he didn’t get to start even one game with AD and Bron. He lost a chuck on shots, lost a third of his minutes, and was told he a bench player. It’s really hard to say if Kuzma starts on this team with Lebron and AD, he’s not quite easily the third best player, the best perimeter defender, a top rebounder, and guy. He never got the chance to start with Bron or AD for a game let alone a fourth of a year or anything substantial.

And yes I know he’s being judged by not winning, but no one has ever won with Beal or Porzingis whose name is not Wall and Luka. Heck the guy won more games in the season last year than Russ and Beal did when they made the play in and playoffs the year before despite Beal missing a large part the year.


Dude, I LIKE Kuzma. The reality is that his best role is as 6th/7th man on a good team. That's not a knock. He's a volume scorer - but not an efficient one. He's a willing defender - but not a good one. He's an average rebounder and an improving playmaker.

I think Hachimura has the physical tools to be a better defender and more efficient scorer than Kuz.


Kuz a was one of the top isolation defenders in the entire nba under Vogel, so yeah saying not a good one is a big lie.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:58 am    Post subject:

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Kblo247! wrote:
Last year he went to the wiz and won more games than Russ did despite Beal missing most the time.


In the bubble year and the year after the best month Kuzma ever had with the Lakers was:

16.4 points (43.2% fg, 34.8% 3p, 61.9% ft), 7.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.1 blocks in 33.3 minutes

His second best month was:

14.9 points (43.3% fg, 29.2% 3p, 76.6% ft), 5.5 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 0.4 blocks, 0.1 steals, in 27.4 minutes

His playoff numbers were:

9.1 points (40.1% fg, 28.3% 3p), 3.3 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.3 blocks, in 22.7 minutes

He's a solid player. But he's nothing special. A pretty good scorer, and average at most other things. I wouldn't mind him back on the team, but I wouldn't give up a pick for him.

With regards to the Wizards that team had more than just Kuzma going to them after Russ left. They also obtained KCP, Trez, Porzingis, and Dinwiddie. And one more game, while missing the playoffs. Yeah they only won 34 games the year before, but they made the playoffs.


Again you’re missing the point, Kuzma never had the benefit of starting with AD and Bron. If you put Rui on that team he wouldn’t start either with Frank as the coach because he saw more in making sure Bron and AD had a viable sub and would not force AD to the 5.

And you can’t say they obtained like they had those guys all at once.

Beal missed 42 games last year. Dimwidee and Trez got so into it that Trez was benched and both were traded; Spencer made a comment about lacking professionalism on the way out the door. They got Porzingis for 17 games last year.

The fact they won more games than Beal/Russ but missed the play in with Kuzma having the highest usage and KCP basically as option 2 all year and playing Rui to the bench should say something. Kuz outplayed him all this year and played him to the bench and out of town as Kuz was going to get the bag and he was not.

Hell Kuzma is in the play in right now when we are not and had a better record last year than we did too. I mean at a certain point, it could be he was misused in LA as well. He was never given a full on chance to start or even a set role of finishing games with AD and Bron. AD never said I will be the 5 and Bron never tried to be the 4 for him. He’s a better player than Rui right now, he was a better player both their wizards years, and he would have been the one they took if the selling price was the same.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:23 pm    Post subject:

So far, so good:
Rui Hachimura has scored in double figures in three of his four games with the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:15 pm    Post subject:

leking006 wrote:
george w kush wrote:
It is amazing to see how similar this guy’s offensive game is to KL. It’s like damn near identical.


on offense yes, but on defense, KL is miles ahead, but he has potential to be very good defender too.


KL's defense has been VASTLY overrated for years.. I truthfully haven't watched the few games he's played this Season but i'm guessing it's around the same.. He's still solid but not elite anymore outside of small stretches here and there (he still has elite defensive instincts which will never go away). KL is obviously miles ahead if we're talking the Raps and Spurs version especially but currently? Nahh, that gap has closed alotttt.

Saying that, Rui has a ways to go still even offensively to be at Kawhi's level but the way they operate and play offensively at least is very similar whether he ever reaches Kawhi's level or not. I don't see him ever being remotely as good as prime Kawhi defensively but that's unfair to expect out of anyone imo especially a guy you traded some 2nd round picks for.

He has the foundation to be a rock solid 2 way player already with the potential to be a bit more. I'd easily take him over Kuz personally as well especially for this team as he's a much better fit.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:54 pm    Post subject:

Rui gets to start again, tonight vs Indy Pacers!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:58 pm    Post subject:

The comparisons of Rui to Kawhi are cool. But, waaayyyy too early. Kawhi is objectively a better player, both on offense and defense. That's not to say that Rui won't be able to improve in those areas. That, however, depends on his dedication in the offseason, and the opportunities for him to expand his game in-season.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:07 pm    Post subject:

Kblo247! wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Kuzma was like a pre-injury Mo Taylor - great volume scorer on a poor team, but a mixed bag on a contender.


Again that’s greatly unfair to Kuzma.

Last year he went to the wiz and won more games than Russ did despite Beal missing most the time.

His last year in LA, he pretty much kept the team in contention out West. Under Frank and without AD or Bron, he played the most minutes, took the most shots, led the team in rebounds, assists, points, and every category with Dennis as his 2 and they hovered at 45 ball with a top defense.

This year he’s played the roll of point forward and he outright beat Rui out his minutes and spot. Let’s not act like if the Wizards said Kuzma or Rui at the same price, the answer wouldn’t have been Kuzma.

Kuzma was in a situation where he didn’t get to start even one game with AD and Bron. He lost a chuck on shots, lost a third of his minutes, and was told he a bench player. It’s really hard to say if Kuzma starts on this team with Lebron and AD, he’s not quite easily the third best player, the best perimeter defender, a top rebounder, and guy. He never got the chance to start with Bron or AD for a game let alone a fourth of a year or anything substantial.

And yes I know he’s being judged by not winning, but no one has ever won with Beal or Porzingis whose name is not Wall and Luka. Heck the guy won more games in the season last year than Russ and Beal did when they made the play in and playoffs the year before despite Beal missing a large part the year.


Even when AD was closing at center consistently, Kuzma was rarely out there. I'm not trying to diminish him as a player but it's not correct to say he didn't have a chance to prove himself alongside AD and Lebron. With our lack of a true wing and the limited minutes we were playing our true centers, he was a very logical choice to close alongside AD/Lebron but could never put it together.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:24 pm    Post subject:

How someone can downplay Kuz while hyping the top 10 pick guy who Kuz came to his team and beat him out for role is hilarious.

The Wiz saw both guys up close and chose Kuz for a reason. He's simply the better player now and moving forward. Rui is decent but he's never shown anything close to what Kuz has.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:30 pm    Post subject:

Kblo247! wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Kuzma was like a pre-injury Mo Taylor - great volume scorer on a poor team, but a mixed bag on a contender.


Again that’s greatly unfair to Kuzma.

Last year he went to the wiz and won more games than Russ did despite Beal missing most the time.

His last year in LA, he pretty much kept the team in contention out West. Under Frank and without AD or Bron, he played the most minutes, took the most shots, led the team in rebounds, assists, points, and every category with Dennis as his 2 and they hovered at 45 ball with a top defense.

This year he’s played the roll of point forward and he outright beat Rui out his minutes and spot. Let’s not act like if the Wizards said Kuzma or Rui at the same price, the answer wouldn’t have been Kuzma.

Kuzma was in a situation where he didn’t get to start even one game with AD and Bron. He lost a chuck on shots, lost a third of his minutes, and was told he a bench player. It’s really hard to say if Kuzma starts on this team with Lebron and AD, he’s not quite easily the third best player, the best perimeter defender, a top rebounder, and guy. He never got the chance to start with Bron or AD for a game let alone a fourth of a year or anything substantial.

And yes I know he’s being judged by not winning, but no one has ever won with Beal or Porzingis whose name is not Wall and Luka. Heck the guy won more games in the season last year than Russ and Beal did when they made the play in and playoffs the year before despite Beal missing a large part the year.


Saying someone would be the third best player on this team is hardly a staggering accomplishment.

Kuzma is a solid NBA player. For what it's worth, NBA players in their vote for the All-Star team ranked him with Nic Claxton, Brook Lopez, OG, Kristaps, Kevin Love and Evan Mobley.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:12 pm    Post subject:

Second best mid-range fg% in the entire league behind only Durant, minimum seventy five attempts?

Is that what I heard? That's called elite.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:32 pm    Post subject:

I don’t expect to see Rui really hit his stride on this roster until next season. He’s got so much to learn, it’s going to take time.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:08 am    Post subject:

I don’t need to tear down kuz in order to prop up Rui

People need to understand that the cost to get Kuzma if he could be gotten it all was going to be significantly higher

It’s all about what we gave up in order to get Rui
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:48 pm    Post subject:

He’s been a disappointment overall
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:07 pm    Post subject:

Poor guy. Came to the Lakers where the coach plays guards for 80% of the minutes
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:07 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
He’s been a disappointment overall


No, he hasn’t
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Polarbear wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
He’s been a disappointment overall


No, he hasn’t


If he played well in the minutes he got in this game he would have played in the 4th, he played well in both of the NY games I will give you that but I need to see more Impact from this guy
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:09 pm    Post subject:

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He’s been a disappointment overall


You get what you pay for
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:24 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
He’s been a disappointment overall


No, he hasn’t


If he played well in the minutes he got in this game he would have played in the 4th, he played well in both of the NY games I will give you that but I need to see more Impact from this guy


It’s going to take some time if you expect an instant star, then the problem is not him its your expectations
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:25 pm    Post subject:

Black Sheep wrote:
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He’s been a disappointment overall


You get what you pay for


3 2nd rd picks was too much for him. He’s a scrub
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:26 pm    Post subject:

Rui needs to play 30 minutes every night. He should only not be playing 30 minutes if he’s in foul trouble. He has enough length to be a disruptor defensively and is capable of those momentum changing fast break points.
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