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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:37 am Post subject: Pat Riley Reveals His Pick For NBA's Greatest Player Ever |
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| Quote: | Some will say LeBron James, while others will say Michael Jordan but Pat Riley has a different answer. The longtime Miami heat head coach and now president of the team thinks that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the greatest to ever do it.
"I always said that Kareem was the greatest player of all time because of his longevity," Riley said, via ESPN. |
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/pat-riley-reveals-his-pick-for-nbas-greatest-player-ever |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Pat Riley Reveals His Pick For NBA's Greatest Player Ever |
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That's what he said.
But what's he say now that Lebron is looking like he's gonna have that longevity.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Agree with Pat
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:35 am Post subject: |
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agree. Plus if people want to argue bron then we might as well go over their full resumes as basketball players. But its never really about that.
Kobe
Kaj
MJ
Magic
TD/Shaq/Wilt
everyone else
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Magic was a better basketball player than Kareem or LBJ imo.
Just got sidetracked from injuries and HIV
He and Bird kept Jordan from winning for years.
I'm still pissed at him for the bad team management... but he still was the best player I ever saw. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| Do y'all scream Magic or MJ or Bron or Kareem when your trash swish the garbage bin? Exactly |
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epic_
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | Do y'all scream Magic or MJ or Bron or Kareem when your trash swish the garbage bin? Exactly |
I yell, Cousy!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| I prefer how Riley expressed it one of his books — very roughly paraphrasing here — in a game for life or death, who do you want on your basketball team in the closing minutes? |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Trevacious2 wrote: | | I prefer how Riley expressed it one of his books — very roughly paraphrasing here — in a game for life or death, who do you want on your basketball team in the closing minutes? |
what he say cause the correct answer is Kobe |
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BILBJH
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Trevacious2 wrote: | | I prefer how Riley expressed it one of his books — very roughly paraphrasing here — in a game for life or death, who do you want on your basketball team in the closing minutes? |
One on one you want Kobe or Jordan
In a team game it's Magic. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Do y'all scream Magic or MJ or Bron or Kareem when your trash swish the garbage bin? Exactly |
I yell, Cousy! |
Not gonna lie... I yell BILLY HO! |
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Meh. I prefer era stratified GOATs. It's insanely difficult and pointless to compare players across different eras, so I've stopped doing it. The game has changed so much today. For example, prime Kobe would average around 40-45 points a game today because of the rules favoring offensive players. It's just such a radically different game than before.
60s - Rusell/Wilt
70s - Kareem/Dr.J
80s - Magic/Bird
90s - MJ/Shaq
00s - Kobe/Duncan
10s - LBJ/Curry
All of the aforementioned players changed or evolved the game in some way. In terms of who changed it the most, I'd say MJ and Curry are at the very top. Curry is basically the reason you have 5 year olds shooting 3pt shots in peewee games.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Do y'all scream Magic or MJ or Bron or Kareem when your trash swish the garbage bin? Exactly |
I yell, Cousy! |
Not gonna lie... I yell BILLY HO! |
That's a classic.
My friends and I would go for: let it rain
https://youtu.be/IV84ha3uEGg
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Meh. I prefer era stratified GOATs. It's insanely difficult and pointless to compare players across different eras, so I've stopped doing it. The game has changed so much today. For example, prime Kobe would average around 40-45 points a game today because of the rules favoring offensive players. It's just such a radically different game than before.
60s - Rusell/Wilt
70s - Kareem/Dr.J
80s - Magic/Bird
90s - MJ/Shaq
00s - Kobe/Duncan
10s - LBJ/Curry
All of the aforementioned players changed or evolved the game in some way. In terms of who changed it the most, I'd say MJ and Curry are at the very top. Curry is basically the reason you have 5 year olds shooting 3pt shots in peewee games. |
Love the list!
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Trevacious2 wrote: | | I prefer how Riley expressed it one of his books — very roughly paraphrasing here — in a game for life or death, who do you want on your basketball team in the closing minutes? |
One on one you want Kobe or Jordan
In a team game it's Magic. |
Guys, KAJ had an UNSTOPPABLE shot. Nobody could touch it. Not Wilt, not Russell, not Hakeem, nobody could. So KAJ in his prime for one game, yeah, I take him. Problem is most on this board never saw him play, and if they did, it was old man Kareem, not Bucks Kareem.
If we are saying everyone will play their best game (which isn't fair really, the chance should still remain, but with player just being in their prime physically). Then all of those players could carry you for one game. But taking the chance of a person getting doubled every time, or just not feeling it, Kareem always had an open shot when he wasn't open because of that skyhook. Know what I mean? Everybody else has to put it on the floor, or juke somebody. Kareem just goes over the top every. single. time.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | agree. Plus if people want to argue bron then we might as well go over their full resumes as basketball players. But its never really about that.
Kobe
Kaj
MJ
Magic
TD/Shaq/Wilt
everyone else |
 never change |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | agree. Plus if people want to argue bron then we might as well go over their full resumes as basketball players. But its never really about that.
Kobe
Kaj
MJ
Magic
TD/Shaq/Wilt
everyone else |
never change |
this is subjective. Its ok if yours is different.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | agree. Plus if people want to argue bron then we might as well go over their full resumes as basketball players. But its never really about that.
Kobe
Kaj
MJ
Magic
TD/Shaq/Wilt
everyone else
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Halflife
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | agree. Plus if people want to argue bron then we might as well go over their full resumes as basketball players. But its never really about that.
Kobe
Kaj
MJ
Magic
TD/Shaq/Wilt
everyone else
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LeBron |
FIFY |
I chuckled. Hes right after Rambis.
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epic_
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | agree. Plus if people want to argue bron then we might as well go over their full resumes as basketball players. But its never really about that.
Kobe
Kaj
MJ
Magic
TD/Shaq/Wilt
everyone else
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LeBron |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Kareem deserves that spot as much as anyone. Insane talent with unmatched durability.
| Halflife wrote: | But its never really about that.
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What's it really about? Don't forget your tinfoil hat before answering. |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| PenG_ wrote: | Kareem deserves that spot as much as anyone. Insane talent with unmatched durability.
| Halflife wrote: | But its never really about that.
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What's it really about? Don't forget your tinfoil hat before answering. |
if we went strictly on resume, guys from Boston would be at the top of the list.
MJ has a great resume but certainly not the best but is still universally considered the goat. Magic, kobe, the same. KAJ is really the only guy that wins on resume. He is definitely #1 or #2
So as I said its really never about resume. KAJ is up there because like MJ they were just great.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | PenG_ wrote: | Kareem deserves that spot as much as anyone. Insane talent with unmatched durability.
| Halflife wrote: | But its never really about that.
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What's it really about? Don't forget your tinfoil hat before answering. |
if we went strictly on resume, guys from Boston would be at the top of the list.
MJ has a great resume but certainly not the best but is still universally considered the goat. Magic, kobe, the same. KAJ is really the only guy that wins on resume. He is definitely #1 or #2
So as I said its really never about resume. KAJ is up there because like MJ they were just great. |
How about finals appearance?
Lakers 30
Celtics 20
Warriors 10
King of Akron 10
Knicks 8
After Kobe, where you put that guy? |
My top 4 are set. If there was a draft and I had the #1 pick and it was between
TD
Shaq
Bron
Wilt
I probably take bron 3rd or maybe second before shaq. TD IMHO was unreal and if he wore our jersey would be considered way greater. Cousins IIRC said TD is top 5 all-time.
Prime TD vs Prime bron with all parts being equal I take TD. So everyone can feel fuzzy Bron is 6th which is amazing in the big picture.
You mention those ten finals. All I heard for decade when he was rolling was how weak the east was. He success was diminished on a daily basis. I wish we had that guy. A lot of that came from Laker fans which Im sure if mined for, would be found here.
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| Yooo, I deleted that lol |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Instead of asking who is THE GOAT, the question should just be who is YOUR GOAT.
Too subjective of a topic. |
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