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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:56 pm    Post subject: This Lakers team is a legit contender

This team is actually a contender minus Westbrick and Ham

How many games did the Lakers lost because of westbrick and ham's stupidity.

Without those 2 this team is better.

They should be in the top 3 now with 32-21 record.

They also have at least 7 games that the game is already in the bag but they missed a dagger FT and the refs fvck them up.

1 game Pacers beat them via a buzzer beater
2 games AD missed a dagger FT against Celtics ans Suns
4 games refs fvck up.

All of these is because they can't blow out opponents while they are carrying a heavy burden in ham and brick. A testament that they really is a good team.

That's why it is frustrating because we knew that this team os good but they are the one who shooting themselves in the foot.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:05 pm    Post subject:

But with all of this, I will be optimistic that they will be very good next season. They just need to retain these players

AD
Bron
DS
Reaves
Christie
Rui
Wenyen

Can be considered to be retain:
TB
Pat Bev
Troy Brown


Let go of Brick and Lonnie, already have too many guards.

Christie will be a pretty good player next season. Wenyen will have more minutes with guards like Brick and Lonnie out, they can opt to play big.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:46 pm    Post subject:

Need to keep christie, definitely our future 3and d but knowing lakers they’ll give him up

Also the Christmas game was ours first half smh
And the away 76ers overtime game

Lakers should be a top4 seed smh
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:55 pm    Post subject:

LakersARETheGOAT wrote:
Need to keep christie, definitely our future 3and d but knowing lakers they’ll give him up

Also the Christmas game was ours first half smh
And the away 76ers overtime game

Lakers should be a top4 seed smh


for me I think the lineup is already great for next season. They've already build a chemistry this season. They just need to dump Brick and let go of Lonnie, they can get solid players out of their salary.

If they can get a better 3&D than Bev and Brown, then they can let go of those 2 also, if not then just retain both.

Also if they can get a defensive center then they can replace TB.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:11 pm    Post subject:

The Clippers and Kings are the only teams that I think can really make them work in a series. Against any other team, as long as they play half decent I don’t see anyone stopping them.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:11 pm    Post subject:

LakersARETheGOAT wrote:
Need to keep christie, definitely our future 3and d but knowing lakers they’ll give him up

Also the Christmas game was ours first half smh
And the away 76ers overtime game

Lakers should be a top4 seed smh


They are only 3 games out of 4th. If they go in a winning streak — which should be possible now that they are close to full health — they should be able to make top 4.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:13 pm    Post subject:

We know.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:18 pm    Post subject:

Well, Vogel did win the championship when AD was healthy. This team still has a dominating AD and Lebron yet the record does not reflect their dominance. A lot of the blame should fall on Westbrick but Ham should shoulder some of the blames as well.

Vogel would have had this team in top 4 standing in the West easily.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:19 pm    Post subject:

markjay wrote:
LakersARETheGOAT wrote:
Need to keep christie, definitely our future 3and d but knowing lakers they’ll give him up

Also the Christmas game was ours first half smh
And the away 76ers overtime game

Lakers should be a top4 seed smh


They are only 3 games out of 4th. If they go in a winning streak — which should be possible now that they are close to full health — they should be able to make top 4.


29 games left. They should at least be 12-8 in their next 20 games to better their chances, anywhere lower than that, they gonna have a slim chance even making the play-in.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:54 pm    Post subject:

Good points leking006 — but you have to win those games you mentioned.

Lakers have to put together multiple extended winning streaks to prove they have any shot at a chip.

BUT — the West is wide open. Every team, even Denver, has question marks and concerns, and Denver looks like the only legit contender in the West right now.

We're only 3 games behind the Mavs, who are in fourth place. Those losses to them and the fifth-place Clippers really hurt in terms of not having the tiebreaker against them should we finish with the same record as them.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: This Lakers team is a legit contender

leking006 wrote:
This team is actually a contender minus Westbrick and Ham

How many games did the Lakers lost because of westbrick and ham's stupidity.

Without those 2 this team is better.

They should be in the top 3 now with 32-21 record.

They also have at least 7 games that the game is already in the bag but they missed a dagger FT and the refs fvck them up.

1 game Pacers beat them via a buzzer beater
2 games AD missed a dagger FT against Celtics ans Suns
4 games refs fvck up.

All of these is because they can't blow out opponents while they are carrying a heavy burden in ham and brick. A testament that they really is a good team.

That's why it is frustrating because we knew that this team os good but they are the one who shooting themselves in the foot.


Yep...you speak truth...Russ and Ham have cost the team 10 wins at least. 10 games where the Lakers had a much higher probability of winning with about 30 secs left yet lost. Small line-up missed defensive rebound and gave up second chance buzzer beater or last second shot, Westbrook missed 3s, turnovers, missed FTs.

A 6'7" SF capable of playing defense instead of WB, a coach capable of playing a line-up that puts the team in a better position to succeed would change this team significantly with a coach that plays the appropriate line-up.

Jeanie/Pelinka/Ham/Russ n that order...cost the Lakers a chance at the #1 seed and #18 championship this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:06 pm    Post subject:

This Lakers team is middle of the pack offensively and slightly below average defensively. They're 24th in NRTG. To be a contender, you have to be in the top 10 in both ORTG and DRTG. I think they're a sneak into the playoffs and make noise type of team, and not much else.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:09 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
This Lakers team is middle of the pack offensively and slightly below average defensively. They're 24th in NRTG. To be a contender, you have to be in the top 10 in both ORTG and DRTG. I think they're a sneak into the playoffs and make noise type of team, and not much else.


As is yea, i agree and perhaps even less than that...may not make the postseason.

The point however is that it shoulda, coulda, woulda been different...with one more player and/or more effective coaching.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:38 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
This Lakers team is middle of the pack offensively and slightly below average defensively. They're 24th in NRTG. To be a contender, you have to be in the top 10 in both ORTG and DRTG. I think they're a sneak into the playoffs and make noise type of team, and not much else.

advanced stats really doesn’t matter when AD missed 24 games and lebron missed like 10-15. This team has glaring holes though. Mainly shooters
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:12 am    Post subject:

levon wrote:
This Lakers team is middle of the pack offensively and slightly below average defensively. They're 24th in NRTG. To be a contender, you have to be in the top 10 in both ORTG and DRTG. I think they're a sneak into the playoffs and make noise type of team, and not much else.


yeah, because those advance stats are with brick and ham. I am saying they are a legit contender without those 2. Without them those advance stats will probably go up. Lakers are most of the time 4v6 on the court, as westbrook is a liability, add to that ham's 3 guard combination who did harm more than good.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:38 am    Post subject:

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levon wrote:
This Lakers team is middle of the pack offensively and slightly below average defensively. They're 24th in NRTG. To be a contender, you have to be in the top 10 in both ORTG and DRTG. I think they're a sneak into the playoffs and make noise type of team, and not much else.

advanced stats really doesn’t matter when AD missed 24 games and lebron missed like 10-15. This team has glaring holes though. Mainly shooters


Meanwhile KCP is the league’s #1 three point shooter at 46.3% and an elite perimeter defender, Kuzma is averaging nearly 22 points per game, and Desmond Bane is averaging 20+ ppg with elite defense. Plus Danny Green and Harrell and whatever we could have gotten with the first rounder we dealt for Westbrook.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:34 am    Post subject:

Pretty sure we'd be living in a colony on the moon right now if not for Kwame Brown jumping after that Tim Thomas 3. Could have wrapped him up and we'd have our championship
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:12 am    Post subject:

So basically this is a Westbrook and Ham P&M thread. Well, alrighty.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:57 am    Post subject:

Post Bron core Reaves-Christie-Rui-AD-TB, I’m good with this but still need to flip the $47.1 or the $13+$5.6 now before losing the cap
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:33 am    Post subject:

Contending to be the highest paid team to not make the playoffs?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:34 am    Post subject:

I agree %100 that we are going to win the championship.

BUT.

Only if Brick is off the team.

Everything we build without hands, he destroys with his feet
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: This Lakers team is a legit contender

leking006 wrote:
This team is actually a contender minus Westbrick and Ham

How many games did the Lakers lost because of westbrick and ham's stupidity.

Without those 2 this team is better.

They should be in the top 3 now with 32-21 record.

They also have at least 7 games that the game is already in the bag but they missed a dagger FT and the refs fvck them up.

1 game Pacers beat them via a buzzer beater
2 games AD missed a dagger FT against Celtics ans Suns
4 games refs fvck up.

All of these is because they can't blow out opponents while they are carrying a heavy burden in ham and brick. A testament that they really is a good team.

That's why it is frustrating because we knew that this team os good but they are the one who shooting themselves in the foot.


They really are hurting the team. Unfortunately, one will still be with us next season (if not longer).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:15 am    Post subject:

Not if they can't make free throws. Lakers are missing too many free throws at key times in these games and they're getting to the line! For a team that doesn't have any outside shooting the free throw line is a key component to them winning...

Let's hope this improves.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:03 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
So basically this is a Westbrook and Ham P&M thread. Well, alrighty.


Oh I thought this was a Ham+Westbrook trade package thread .. hmmm
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:16 am    Post subject:

There is no other team with a top two as good as healthy Lebron + AD in a playoff series, but the issue is both of them are always injured or dinged up and we have no consistent shooting around them in a league that is spamming threes every possession.

It's really a simple formula not sure how we continue to mess this up so much, Lebron+AD and 3&D wings you beat almost anyone.
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