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ThePageDude
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| Cutheon wrote: |
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And remember as it pertains to MozDeng, the team (stupidly) believed there would be an amnesty provision that would allow them to avoid the cap hit, which is really what killed us.
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Bravo my friend, you're on top of the facts.
Now, if I recall, Dr. Buss was unwell at the time, so whom do you think was supposed to attend the owners' meetings where matters related to amnesty clauses were debated (and decided)?
(Hint: it wouldn't have been Jim or Mitch) |
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ThePageDude
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| CandyCanes wrote: |
What was the rationale behind Mozdeng if they believed there would only be one amnesty provision? |
First a disclaimer: Even if there was an amnesty provision, MozDeng was a poor move, not because it was MozDeng, but because of the absolutely unnecessary # years on the contracts to two aging players - and that too without any negotiation. Absolutely idiotic. Just the difference of a year would have made a night-and-day difference in the subsequent playing-out of history.
Now, let's get to your question. According to Mitch's later published statements the FO was confident of *at least* one amnesty provision with a chance for more than 1 (there had been reports of certain owners lobbying for more) - such was the level of disconnect between them and reality (err Laker ownership) at that time. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | The Lakers don't need a "richer" owner. They need to make better personnel decisions.
In Baseball (weak salary cap, strong player contracts), you can throw money at a problem with no consequences because $$$ is largely unregulated. The Dodgers, Yankees can spend until they buy a ring.
In Football (strong salary cap, weak player contracts), you can throw money at a problem for a season or two because you can force players to renegotiate contracts, but you can only do it for a season or two before the system corrects and your team goes in the crapper.
In Basketball (strong cap, strong contracts), spending indiscriminately wrecks your team if you don't have the right players because you're constantly venting assets to get rid of bad deals/poorly fitting players.
I'm pro Pelinka - but acquiring WB was a franchise crippling move where the sum of what we gave up exceeded what we got, and the opportunity cost of deals/players we missed out on because we were handcuffed by WB's contract.
Spurs owner Peter Holt's net worth is a fraction of the net worth of Jeanie and a pittance compared to the Buss Trust, but he has 5 rings. |
You are ignoring a huge part of a sports franchise that isn’t regulated by the CBA, non-playing positions. Jeanie isn’t paying for the best basketball minds, she isn’t paying for cutting edge medical technology. She has her friends and that is all she is willing to trust. The better basketball minds are with other organizations.
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: |
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And remember as it pertains to MozDeng, the team (stupidly) believed there would be an amnesty provision that would allow them to avoid the cap hit, which is really what killed us.
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Bravo my friend, you're on top of the facts.
Now, if I recall, Dr. Buss was unwell at the time, so whom do you think was supposed to attend the owners' meetings where matters related to amnesty clauses were debated (and decided)?
(Hint: it wouldn't have been Jim or Mitch) |
Who was at the owners meetings when the CP3 trade was reversed and didn’t fight for it?
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KingKobe20
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:31 am Post subject: |
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I’d rather Joey take on the mantle as head honcho over Jesse,
and Jeanie just go retire on a beach with Jay Mohr already |
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RI Laker
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| zambia wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Jesse has proven his worth versus the other Buss kids (not saying much because the bar is low). Jeannie has been a disappointment and is no better than Jim. |
What has Jesse Buss done? |
Head of Lakers scouting department. We have had some hits with some 2nd rd picks and UFA's. |
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oaktown_dimond
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eh, i don't have problem with jeanie. she's said repeatedly she DOES NOT give her opinion on basketball operations.
whoever played a part in hiring Ham, i don't think it was jeanie IMHO.
i will say this much, this team should have a BETTER RECORD than they currently have. let's see... we got to the western conference finals with dlo, AR15, vando, Bron and AD... WHY ARE THEY NOT STARTING?
stick with what has given you success in the past. if vando, dlo, AR, etc. aren't "bringin' it", then you have some real nice options off the bench to rotate in. |
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Dr. Laker
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | The Lakers don't need a "richer" owner. They need to make better personnel decisions.
In Baseball (weak salary cap, strong player contracts), you can throw money at a problem with no consequences because $$$ is largely unregulated. The Dodgers, Yankees can spend until they buy a ring.
In Football (strong salary cap, weak player contracts), you can throw money at a problem for a season or two because you can force players to renegotiate contracts, but you can only do it for a season or two before the system corrects and your team goes in the crapper.
In Basketball (strong cap, strong contracts), spending indiscriminately wrecks your team if you don't have the right players because you're constantly venting assets to get rid of bad deals/poorly fitting players.
I'm pro Pelinka - but acquiring WB was a franchise crippling move where the sum of what we gave up exceeded what we got, and the opportunity cost of deals/players we missed out on because we were handcuffed by WB's contract.
Spurs owner Peter Holt's net worth is a fraction of the net worth of Jeanie and a pittance compared to the Buss Trust, but he has 5 rings. |
You are ignoring a huge part of a sports franchise that isn’t regulated by the CBA, non-playing positions. Jeanie isn’t paying for the best basketball minds, she isn’t paying for cutting edge medical technology. She has her friends and that is all she is willing to trust. The better basketball minds are with other organizations. |
Meh. "Moneyball" doesn't work in the NBA. More than any other sport, it's a superstar driven league. You could replace every GM with a bot that read sports blogs and mostly get the same results.
OKC, Cleveland, San Antonio, Orlando and Sacramento had the largest analytics departments in the NBA in 2021-22 (last year for which I found data). They were a combined 152 - 256 that season.
The 4 teams with the best records as i type:
Boston - starts two 3rd overall picks, a 4th overall pick and two other 1st rounders.
Minnesota - starts two 1st overall picks, a 4th overall pick and two other 1st rounders.
Milwaukee - starts three lottery picks and another 1st rounder.
OKC - starts four lottery picks and an UDFA
For the most part, they didn't find hidden gems, they drafted the consensus best players at their spots and, luckily, the players panned out.
For all the shine that Lacob gets in Golden State, his ownership group didn't acquire Steph or Klay, they were already there on a lottery team. Luck plays a MUCH bigger role than analytics and training.
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lakersfever714
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | The Lakers don't need a "richer" owner. They need to make better personnel decisions.
In Baseball (weak salary cap, strong player contracts), you can throw money at a problem with no consequences because $$$ is largely unregulated. The Dodgers, Yankees can spend until they buy a ring.
In Football (strong salary cap, weak player contracts), you can throw money at a problem for a season or two because you can force players to renegotiate contracts, but you can only do it for a season or two before the system corrects and your team goes in the crapper.
In Basketball (strong cap, strong contracts), spending indiscriminately wrecks your team if you don't have the right players because you're constantly venting assets to get rid of bad deals/poorly fitting players.
I'm pro Pelinka - but acquiring WB was a franchise crippling move where the sum of what we gave up exceeded what we got, and the opportunity cost of deals/players we missed out on because we were handcuffed by WB's contract.
Spurs owner Peter Holt's net worth is a fraction of the net worth of Jeanie and a pittance compared to the Buss Trust, but he has 5 rings. |
You are ignoring a huge part of a sports franchise that isn’t regulated by the CBA, non-playing positions. Jeanie isn’t paying for the best basketball minds, she isn’t paying for cutting edge medical technology. She has her friends and that is all she is willing to trust. The better basketball minds are with other organizations. |
It's why I advocated to seek out the best basketball minds and pay him $100M per year if you have to to be your GM. The GM or ultimate decision maker is the most important position in the front office especially with Jeanie being so inexperienced about basketball herself.
Jeanie should value qualification over trustworthiness when hiring people at important positions. She's treating the Laker organization like a sorority where only her friends are welcomed.
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CRoost
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | The Lakers don't need a "richer" owner. They need to make better personnel decisions.
In Baseball (weak salary cap, strong player contracts), you can throw money at a problem with no consequences because $$$ is largely unregulated. The Dodgers, Yankees can spend until they buy a ring.
In Football (strong salary cap, weak player contracts), you can throw money at a problem for a season or two because you can force players to renegotiate contracts, but you can only do it for a season or two before the system corrects and your team goes in the crapper.
In Basketball (strong cap, strong contracts), spending indiscriminately wrecks your team if you don't have the right players because you're constantly venting assets to get rid of bad deals/poorly fitting players.
I'm pro Pelinka - but acquiring WB was a franchise crippling move where the sum of what we gave up exceeded what we got, and the opportunity cost of deals/players we missed out on because we were handcuffed by WB's contract.
Spurs owner Peter Holt's net worth is a fraction of the net worth of Jeanie and a pittance compared to the Buss Trust, but he has 5 rings. |
You are ignoring a huge part of a sports franchise that isn’t regulated by the CBA, non-playing positions. Jeanie isn’t paying for the best basketball minds, she isn’t paying for cutting edge medical technology. She has her friends and that is all she is willing to trust. The better basketball minds are with other organizations. |
It's why I advocated to seek out the best basketball minds and pay him $100M per year if you have to to be your GM. The GM or ultimate decision maker is the most important position in the front office especially with Jeanie being so inexperienced about basketball herself.
Jeanie should value qualification over trustworthiness when hiring people at important positions. She's treating the Laker organization like a sorority where only her friends are welcomed. |
Bringing back the Logo would have us on sustained track than this LeGM Klutch era. This is a short lived imo that is hinge on Lebron relevancy. Once Lebron is gone, Jennie should do an overhaul cleanup if she wants the Lakers to stay relevant. |
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kfkilla
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | The Lakers don't need a "richer" owner. They need to make better personnel decisions.
In Baseball (weak salary cap, strong player contracts), you can throw money at a problem with no consequences because $$$ is largely unregulated. The Dodgers, Yankees can spend until they buy a ring.
In Football (strong salary cap, weak player contracts), you can throw money at a problem for a season or two because you can force players to renegotiate contracts, but you can only do it for a season or two before the system corrects and your team goes in the crapper.
In Basketball (strong cap, strong contracts), spending indiscriminately wrecks your team if you don't have the right players because you're constantly venting assets to get rid of bad deals/poorly fitting players.
I'm pro Pelinka - but acquiring WB was a franchise crippling move where the sum of what we gave up exceeded what we got, and the opportunity cost of deals/players we missed out on because we were handcuffed by WB's contract.
Spurs owner Peter Holt's net worth is a fraction of the net worth of Jeanie and a pittance compared to the Buss Trust, but he has 5 rings. |
You are ignoring a huge part of a sports franchise that isn’t regulated by the CBA, non-playing positions. Jeanie isn’t paying for the best basketball minds, she isn’t paying for cutting edge medical technology. She has her friends and that is all she is willing to trust. The better basketball minds are with other organizations. |
It's why I advocated to seek out the best basketball minds and pay him $100M per year if you have to to be your GM. The GM or ultimate decision maker is the most important position in the front office especially with Jeanie being so inexperienced about basketball herself.
Jeanie should value qualification over trustworthiness when hiring people at important positions. She's treating the Laker organization like a sorority where only her friends are welcomed. |
Bringing back the Logo would have us on sustained track than this LeGM Klutch era. This is a short lived imo that is hinge on Lebron relevancy. Once Lebron is gone, Jennie should do an overhaul cleanup if she wants the Lakers to stay relevant. |
Jeanie can’t clean up her room. |
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george w kush
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I’m pleased to see people starting to realize who the REAL problem is. It’s not DLO, Priince, Ham, Pelinka or anyone else.
It starts at the top.
Like someone else said in this post, if it weren’t for Lebron coming here(which we all know had nothing to do with Jeanie)…well I was going to say we would be a .500 team with Ball and Ingrid, but we’re actually a .500 team with Lebron and AD…
So yeah, this is what happens when you gift a team to someone who has never accomplished anything, and let them run it like a mom and pop shop. That, and letting the players facilitate trades like getting Westbrick. Who in their right mind thought THAT was a good idea? No one outside of Lebron and AD. |
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venturalakersfan
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Jerry West is a part time consultant, his main input was teaching Frank how to set up a workable front office. I’m sure he is willing to give his input on talent when asked. So I’m not upset that Jeanie didn’t bring him onboard. Though the Laker FO could use a structure, he could have helped with that.
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