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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: KINGS -vs- LAKERS -- 10/17 -- Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Leaving Las Vegas... Just as the Lakers subtract one player off the walking wounded list, they add two more in Shammond and McKie. Add them to Kobe, Kwame, Mihm, Phil and Vlad Rad's shooting hand. As we stagger toward the opener, at least the Lakers young guns have been given an opportunity to make their case.

After the game, the two guys who left lasting impressions were once again Ronny Turiaf and Jordan Farmar. Sasha also gets a mention for some energy off the bench. That group dug the Lakers out of a hole. The rest of the Lakers worked on keeping us in the hole to eventually lose, 96-91 to the Kings.

Both Devin Green and McKie made a case against a roster spot. McKie getting a strained back after a minute of play (looked like a bruised knee, don't ask). Devin Green became a liability on both ends of the court at the end of the game on several plays in a row. A good game here and Pinnock could have made some noise for claiming that roster spot. Little noise was heard. Wafer also has a bruise heel, but he was as good as done, anyway.

The transition defense by the Lakers was somewhere at the YMCA league level for most of the night against the Kings. Rambis made some subs, benching Bynum, Smush and Evans. He seemed to be unhappy with the energy level of Bynum and Smush...and the lack of intelligent energy by Evans. At least that's my take. Turiaf and Farmar continue to build their strong cases for staying in the regular rotation when this roster is healthy.


Odom -- -- Artest covered LO, making things a little difficult for him early. He seemed to pick some spots later on. Without Kobe there, the Kings could match up easier on LO and that may have bogged down our offense early on. Lamar finished with 12 points on 3-5 shooting (6-9 FTs), 4 boards, 3 assists, 1 steal and 1 block in 23 minutes. He badly bricked a stepback jumper, but got back in D to stop the breakaway. He kicked two defensive boards out of bounds. Nice block on Artest in the post. Sweet bounce pass in semi-transition to Farmar on the fly for an And-1. He worked the weakside pinch post with Pinnock to get him a layup. He bricked a step-back three. He drew FTs, bricking the first one badly, and rattling in the second. He drew FTs on the dribble, made one. He got picked on the perimeter and wanted the foul, it led to a three the other way. He drew a foul on a dunk attempt, made one FT. He powered in a pumping And-1 using his body well to get contact and shield the ball, he made the FT. He dunked down the middle of the lane off a pass from Luke. He knocked down a stepback baseline jumper over Artest. He drew FTs on a reach by Artest after attacking off the dribble, he made both.

Bynum -- -- Rambis has been trying to teach Bynum to play in a higher gear all summer. It's that same general intensity that fades in and out, especially when a little fatigue sets in. Bynum has improved, but Rambis continues to take the carrot and the stick approach. Tonight, he brought out the stick, benching Bynum a minute into the second half as our transition D was getting torched. Bynum played 15 minutes, scored 4 points, pulled down 4 boards, had 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 turnovers and 2 fouls. Tough break when he got the ball at the FT line, the offense suddenly stopped moving and Kings closed in on him as he tried to work off the dribble and he fumbled it out of bounds (guys need to keep moving in the offense). Bynum wasn't getting low position early on, not fighting hard enough for it, IMO. He put back in an offensive board, keeping it high off a Vlad Rad miss. Good contest on a jumpshot to wing it, then he swatted another after a foul to prevent the And-1. Good find, hitting Vlad Rad trailing behind the play for a layup. He got caught in the air on a rotation and gave up FTs (the kind of young player mistake he seems prone on occasion). He drew FTs flashing weak to strong, he made both (I'd like to see more of that). He got blocked stumbling and trying to flip up a shot. He overthrew a stupid long inbounds pass with 5.8 in the half instead of hitting LO in front of him and it eventually led to a three. Rambis gave Drew the hook a minute into the second half when we got beat in transition.

Smush -- -- Rambis pinpointed a couple of problems at halftime, and both really seemed to involve Smush. Once he benched Smush and Evans in favor of Farmar and Vujacic, the team dug itself out of a hole. Once again, Farmar played better D against the opponents starters than Smush. Expect Phil to sit Smush down some more if he doesn't hustle. Smush scored 6 points on 2-6 shooting in 20 minutes. He drained a quick step back three, which he released much faster than he shot them last year. He missed his next three off a pinch post. Out of a timeout, Smush wasn't aware of the low shotclock and got an 8-second violation. Bibby missed a three then ran down his miss as Smush didn't hustle back and it led to an open three at the halftime buzzer. To start the half, Smsuh took Bibby off the dribble and hit a one-handed And-1 off the glass (he made the FT). Smush and Evans blew an inbounds pass for a turnover. He beat the pressure off the dribble and found Ronny for an And-1 dunk. Smush missed a jumper and didn't get back and Bibby scored an uncontested layup. He lost the ball off the dribble and committed a loose ball foul. He then sat.

Radmanovic -- -- A bit of a sloppy, foul prone game from Vlad Rad, fouling out in just 15 minutes. He did hit a rare perimeter shot with the hand injury and he also made a couple creative plays. He moves the ball well and also has done a pretty good job attacking off the dribble. Once healthy, when you combine that with his shot, that should make him into a nice Triangle player. He scored 6 points on 3-7 shooting (0-4 from three). He still had a few nice highlights on the night. He stole a bounce entry pass on the first possession. He drained a pop out wing jumper off a Tri sequence. He missed an open three. He missed a long three on a kickout. He missed another open three. Bynum found him for a layup after we beat the Kings press. He picked up his third foul trying to strip Williamson in the post, he should have just stood his ground as he had forced him into a tough situation. He then had to sit. Great change of direction off the dribble, spinning away from Thomas and scoring an uncontested layup. He picked up another foul on a reach on the perimeter and had to sit. In to start the fourth and he picked up another foul a few seconds later by getting contact with a cutter. He attacked off the screen-roll with Farmar and found Ronny underneath for a dunk. He picked up his sixth foul shortly later on some kind of touch foul and had to sit with 10 minutes left in the game. Even though he has the injury, it's best that he play with it in the preseason so that he can get integrated in the offense. Eventually, the shooting will come around.

McKie -- -- He started and quickly took a knee to his leg and looked in pain, forcing a Laker timeout and substitution. Back spasms, they said. He's been battling back problems for a while, but McKie said this time, "It's worse". He'll see the doctor Wednesday. The doctor will most likely find a fork in McKie's back, signalling that he is done.

Walton -- -- Tex called Luke the team's best playmaker, and he again led all players with a game-high 6 assists in just 18 minutes of action. He scored 4 points on 2-4 shooting and had 1 board, 1 steal and 1 block. He got that block on a help D situation early on. He had a nice push out on the break after we got a steal and he fed Pinnock trailing for the layup. He found Lamar down the middle of the floor for an easy throwdown breaking the pressure D. He hooked up with Evans on an inbounds pass for an And-1 under the hoop. He knocked down a pull-up 18 footer from the wing. Artest overpowered Luke for a layup. Luke scored on a drive, attacking to his right. He fell on a drive on the next trip. Not his best game of the bunch, but he's clearly playing at a higher level this preseason. Great to see.

Turiaf -- -- Ronny, once again, showed some strong two-way play in this game. He plays with intelligent energy and it shows. He was altering shots in the lane, always contesting his man and controlling the boards. He did a good job anchoring the D again. He also never let his man get past him or get a shot off without being contested. He even switched on Artest a couple of times and got missed jumpers out of it. Ronny finished with a team-high 15 points on 5-8 shooting, 7 boards (3 offensive), 2 assists, 2 blocks, 4 turnovers and 5 fouls in a game-high 32 minutes. He found Cook on a kickout for an open three. He missed a jumper at the end of the first quarter. Nice tip in at the rim on a miss by Luke. He missed another shot trying to beat the clock. Good D contesting a Garcia layup at the rim and grabbing the miss. He subbed in for Bynum quickly to start the second half and stayed in the game. He was whistled for foul a second later, but he also broke up a pass on the other end to create a turnover. He threw down a two-handed And-1 dunk off a great bounce pass from Smush. He posted up Miller and drew two FTs, he made both. He found Farmar cutting down the lane for a layup. Good D again on Taylor in the post forcing a tough miss. He posted up and scored easily over Garcia. He dunked off a nice interior feed by Vlad Rad, set up off a Farmar screen-roll. He got caught for a couple of illegal D calls with a foot in the lane (needs to be more mindful of his positioning in that regard). Ronny just got a jumper off to beat a shotclock buzzer with some good awareness, he missed but Sasha got the ball back and scored. He cleaned up a Farmar drive with an easy putback. Crashing the boards again, he drew another foul with some hustle. He posted up Taylor and drew a foul on a double team, he made both FTs. He drew a hook foul on Abdur-Rahim in the post. So far this preseason, Ronny has shown he can anchor the D well at the center position against our Pacific Division opponents. Quite a pick up for a second rounder, no doubt.

Evans -- -- He seemed to be on the bad end of more plays than good plays, and got subbed out for Sasha after getting into foul trouble a few minutes in the third. He got swarmed a bit in the backcourt by trapping D during the game and had some sketchy moments. He still has a pretty solid handle, much improved from Devean Georgem. On D, too often his man was beating us on the break tonight. If he's playing at the SG spot, he needs to be mindful of not always crashing the glass and getting back in transition. He scored 8 points on 3-8 shooting, had 3 boards, 2 steals and 5 fouls in 21 minutes. He missed a pull-up jumper. Nice move at the rim, but he bricked the easy finish. He hit an open right corner three off a Farmar kickout. He iso'd on his man, spun and swished an 8-footer over him. Good hands in the lane to slap the ball away for a turnover on the other end. He bricked a three from the left sideline. He choked an easy layup on the break, banking it hard off the board. He powered in an And-1 layup off an inbounds from Luke. He could have easily had a couple more buckets with a little better finishing.

Cook -- 8) -- Cook nearly turned in the double-double with a game-high 9 baords to go wtih 12 points on 3-9 shooting in 26 minutes. He swished a three on a kickout from Turiaf. He drew FTs battling under the hoop, he made both. He drew a foul cutting to the post with Bibby on him, made both FTs. He missed a stepback jumper in the post. He scored an And-1 layup off a drive by Farmar. He got tapped on a pull-up FT jumper. Open for three, he overpassed to Green for a bricked jumper (Cook needs to shoot those instead of giving them to a non-shooter like Green). He recovered on the other end with a nice swat off the board. Dumb outlet pass, down by three with just over a minute to go and Cook gets it picked off trying to toss it to Green at midcourt when Farmar was standing next to Brian. That hurt. He and Turiaf crashed the boards to keep a Farmar miss alive and Cook tipped it in. Cook missed a tough three attempt trying to force it over the defender at the end of the game.

Sasha -- -- Sasha brought some nice energy off the bench and helped spark the team in the second half when he made his first apearance. Once we got back into the game, Sasha was subbed out after the Kings got the best of him on a few plays. He finished wtih 10 points on 3-6 shooting, 4 rebounds and 1 steal in 13 minutes. He missed a layup on an attack shortly after he entered the game at the 7 minute mark of the third. He banked in a tough little leaner over Miller on his next attempt. Bibby swiped the ball from him in transition and Sasha fouled him for FTs. He fumbled away a drive attempt on the next play. He knocked down a long three with the shotclock low. He drew contact on a three pointer from Garcia for three FTs, he made all three. It looked like Sasha almost overpassed with the shotclock low, Turiaf missed his rushed jumper, but Sasha hustled to grab the ball and score a layup. He got beat off the dribble by Salmons for a layup. He airballed a three.

Farmar -- -- When Worthy features a guard at halftime showing superb footwork fighting over the top of a screen and staying in front of a player like Mike Bibby to thwart a play...and that player is in a Laker jersey...that's got to make you smile. Farmar continues to rise to the defensive challenge of playing a top guard in the league. He's also making them work on the other end, too. Phil didn't have a luxury of benching Smush last season when the effort wasn't there. With the added depth, Rambis did just that, putting Smush on the sideline midway through the third and letting Farmar help dig the team out of a hole. Maybe they won't trust Farmar to start a game, but they might leave him in to finish a game with Kobe, LO and company...and that's all that really counts. Don't let the stat line fool you in this one. The tone of the game changed because of the play of Farmar, Turiaf and Sasha. Farmar finished with 5 points on 2-7 shooting, 3 assists and 5 turnovers (a little sloppy on a couple feeds, a couple offensive fouls, one TO was the result of hustling for a ball on the sideline and stepping on the out of bounds line). Farmar hit a nice floater in the lane with the shot clock low, but Taylor got the charge call to erase it. Farmar found Evans on a kickout for a three. He got called for an odd offensive foul off a pick and roll, using his off hand on Bibby's jersey. He missed a three, Turiaf fed him and Farmar attacked and missed on a layup with his left. He tried to force a pass to Turiaf in the lane when he got caught in the air trying to finish and turned it over. Sloppy return feed to Cook, whipping a no-looker to fast to Cook for a turnover. Great burst of speed in the open court to get behind his man and LO fed him with a perfect bounce pass for an And-1 reverse. In the second half, the Lakers were down by 8 and stagnating badly on both ends when Farmar entered the game midway through the third (about 9 minutes later we pulled ahead). He scored on a layup cutting down the lane in semi-transition and Ronny finding him. He worked the two-man game with Radmanovic for the first time this preaseason, Vlad got the ball with no one on him and set up Turiaf for a dunk. Good D on his man to recover and force a tough jumper on one stand. Great sequence to get the Lakers the lead in the fourth quarter... he sat on a pass to deflect it to Sasha, drove down the court, drew the D, then whipped a pass under the hoop to Cook for an And-1. He drew FTs with a burst of speed off the high pinch post, he made one to tie the game with 2:51. He missed a bank shot from about 8 feet. He missed a wing three set up for him out of a timeout.

Green -- -- Man, they say you make the team cut you. Devin sure did his best job to make a case for dropping him in this one. He was a complete liability on both ends down the stretch, so much so that we didn't stand a chance. The Kings picked on him defensively with Salmons and let him try to beat them on the other end. It was brutal. Green missed several jumpers in this one and that hurts the most. He finished 1-7 for 5 points and with 5 fouls in 15 minutes. He bricked a 22-footer high off the glass, no rim, when a player rushed out at him. He drew FTs on a loose ball foul in the back court, he made both. He gave up an And-1 to Williamson not playing him for the drive. He missed a jumphook in the lane. He got blocked on a reverse layup. He plowed down Taylor who was in the restricted area for an And-1, he made the FT (his best play of the night). He missed a wide open baseline jumper with a little over 4 minutes left, then threw the ball away a few second later on the next possession. On the very next possession, he spun in the lane and was tied up for a jumpball, he didn't win it, so yet another turnover. Salmons blew past him on iso on the next D stand and Green had to foul him. Salmons beat Green again on the next defensive stand for an And-1. Green missed a wide open jumper with under a minute left. Then, of course, he fouled Salmons from behind on the other end. Ouch. In the past, when Green was on the ropes like this for a roster spot, he has come out swinging with some success.

Pinnock -- -- As mentioned, with McKie down and Green doing himself in, Pinnock had a chance to distinguish himself. He missed the opportunity when some big shots were there for him at the end. Offensively, he was 2-7 for 4 points, no assists and 1 turnover in 12 minutes. Defensively, he had 1 steal and 1 block, and gave some pretty good effort on that end of the court tonight. Early on, he threw a bad pass, picking up his dribble at the half court line. He missed a dunk and wanted the foul (got to finish those with both hands). Excellent anticipation under the hoop to steal a pass, he then finished on the break when Luke found him trailing. Good pressure D from behind on a post player to force a travel. Nice rejection under the hoop off his man for a turnover. Great finish off the weakside pinch post with LO, finishing with speed off the glass. Nice strip of his man under the hoop for a turnover, unfortunately J.R. got rejected at the other end after a nice spin move. He missed a one-hander in the lane. He drew a hook on Salmons in the post. He airballed an open corner three that would have been huge. He got tapped on another three attempt at the buzzer.

Rambis -- -- No Kobe, Kwame, Mihm, or Shammond in this one. Add McKie and apparently Wafer. Rambis said in the Times, "Any time players are out, they have a period where they're getting left behind. So the less time they spend on the injured list, the better off it is for them and for us."... He went with a Cook, Turiaf, Walton, Evans, Farmar lineup late in the first. He seems to have use the Cook, Turiaf, Walton, Farmar unit quite a bit... The Lakers shot 5-19 in the first to the Kings 5-17... The Kings full-court pressure was giving the Lakers some trouble. But nothing that wouldn't be solved with another quality shooting guard on the floor. We happen to have a good one waiting in the wings... The Lakers trailed 49-35 at the half. Their worst half of the preseason... At the half they shot 34 percent to the Kings 41 percent, and the Kings had 18 points off turnovers versus the Lakers 5 points. We eventually evened up that number by the end of the game... According to Ireland, Rambis was upset with Smush's 8-second violation and Bibby's two uncontested three pointers at the end of the half (ummm, Smush, that's you, again)... A minute into the half, Rambis sent a message to Bynum and took him out for Turiaf. It seemed Bynum got caught "loping" as Rambis would say up and down the court, so he sent the youngster a message about getting PT... He put Evans and Smush on the bench a few minutes later...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:50 am    Post subject: Re: KINGS -vs- LAKERS -- 10/17 -- Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

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McKie -- -- He started and quickly took a knee to his leg and looked in pain, forcing a Laker timeout and substitution. Back spasms, they said. He's been battling back problems for a while, but McKie said this time, "It's worse". He'll see the doctor Wednesday. The doctor will most likely find a fork in McKie's back, signalling that he is done.


^Damn you had me laughing after I read that

Thanks a lot for the recap DB 8)

Let's hope things go better Thurs
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject:

I thought the Lakers didn't run enough Triangle.

DB - Are you suprised by Radman's ability to drive inside and score or pass from there? He seems like a very real triple threat talent. Shooting right now is his weakest aspect ... I'm impressed by the steals, drives and passing. I know shooting will always be his bread and butter, but it's good to see that he's doing more than shoot.

Typical frustrating pre-season game. Not too much fun to watch at this point in the season. Execution is at it's lowest point of the season. Player's are out of shape and trying to get back into ryhthm.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject:

Sasha had TEN points!?!? The kid is ready for his breakout year.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

I guess we can say goodbye to McKie. He just can't seem to stay healthy.

Ronny is looking like an outstanding second round pick! He looks to be an excellent backup this season.

Cook and Turiaf did a good job on the boards.

The Kings seemed to turn the heat up on Farmar. It was good experience, part of the learning process.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject:

once vlad's hand heals he will be much improved. i'm impressed with his tenacity...he's looking to play the passing lanes and it shows. his D is better than i thought albeit not stellar.

farmar will sit in favor of smush in the beginning but i think we will soon see him on the floor in important late game situations.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject:

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once vlad's hand heals he will be much improved. i'm impressed with his tenacity...he's looking to play the passing lanes and it shows. his D is better than i thought albeit not stellar.

Exactly, Ocho.

Radman will never be a lockdown man defender, but he is causing havoc there with his length.

I don't care if due to FT he only plays 25 minutes. If in that time he's giving us rebounding, steals and help D then there is no question in my mind that he's not the one way player people have labeled him.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:32 am    Post subject:

Wolf - One of the big differences I thought about Vlad this summer when people compared him to Cook was his mobility, whether that's off the ball or on the move with it or on the D end. That may sound like a minor thing, but that's why he's a different player and can be effective in more ways that Cook. I certainly would not have expected him to be quite on the move like he is right now, but I think he's trying to hide his shooting hand. He's passing on shots that he normally fires up with confidence. Anytime we have given him day light in the past, he's certainly taken the opportunity to kill us.

Triple threat skills in one degree or another are key to the triangle. The more flexible you are in that regard, the more you can take advantage of things. You could also tell he would always be a good passer for our system. If you watch any games of him in the past you will see him make the quick pass if he doesn't have a shot. That's a Tri-made skill.

He's struggling, but once his shot comes back we'll see a much bigger presence on the floor.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject:

Great read DB

Would you agree:

Farmar is way beyond Sasha and it shows. Not a slight on Sasha - just quite apparent.

Ronny may not have more talent than Kwame, but he's a better basketball player and may always be. If Ronny hits that 15 footer tonight he goes for about 20 and we may win.

The Lakers forgot how to cover the breakout. The Kings got a lot of uncontested shots or free throws from this in the 3rd period and it basically won the game for them.

That game was pretty unbearable to watch in the first half. Damn that was ugly on both sides.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject:

Good (bleep) DB. Loved reading that post. That's what I want to hear about Radman.

Some people have given up on him already, and well I'm not the most unbiased person when it comes to the Lakers (ya think? lol) so it's good to see a much more unbiased watcher is seeing the same things in my boy, Radman.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject:

psydesho - Yeah pretty ugggly for both teams. I kept think about Lamar's comments about wanting to win some of the ugly games this year. Turiaf, Farmar and Sasha were doing their best to pull it off. I would have pulled Sasha, too, though when Rambis did. Yes, Farmar is on a different level than Sasha. Farmar is a floor general and does a great job of making the guys around him better. Sasha, the last two season, never rose to that level. Farmar is a pure point, Sasha's of the combo-guard makeup. Defensively, Sasha in his first season was no where near where Farmar is (too upright, too slow, horrible angles, etc). Sasha has gotten better and stronger, but he will probably top out at a DFish type of pesky defender. His added strength this year may also allow Phil to go big and let Sasha switch a little more like Harp on D. That added strength also seems like Sasha is a little more aggressive to attack the lane and try to score (we'll see if that trend holds up.)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject:

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Quick, erase that or we'll have Shoes no longer defending LO anymore ! It'll be Sasha this, Sasha that
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:09 am    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:

Some people have given up on him already...


What do they think, he's suddenly going to never shoot like he did before? The guy has made 1293 of 3127 career shots... .413 percent with have half of those attempts coming from beyond three with nearly 600 makes. I don't think he's going to continue at a 1-11 pace from three like he is now. He's not going to foul out every 15 minutes. Just a hunch.

Defensively, he won't be anywhere near a lock down defender, but he is a solid team defender (very good on rotations, surprisingly good on deflections so far). D-wise he can stay on the court more than a Cook. If not you can slide LO down and bring Turiaf in at PF to get some stops. He'll make a nice role player and has some potential to improve his game in this offense. No need to write the guys obit in preseason because he's got an injury in his shooting hand. His game will come around.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:48 am    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
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Quick, erase that or we'll have Shoes no longer defending LO anymore ! It'll be Sasha this, Sasha that


Shoes! You gonna let him get away with talking about your boy Sasha....I mean Fish like that! Come on man, represent!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:22 am    Post subject:

It is always great waiting for the DB Report!!

Re: Farmar
His PG mentality was really obvious during this game, especially when compared to the efforts of Smush, Evans and Sasha. OMG - It appears that Smush (ugghh) will be the starting PG with LO bringing up the ball a great deal. IMO - if Smush is the PG, that would mean that Luke would be the "3" because he and LO are more dependable in bringing up the ball.

Will Kobe still be tolerant of Smush's lack of hustle and/or making good basketball decisions - especially with Sasha and Jordan and Shammond ready to take his place?

How long can the Lakers survive with Cook in the "4" of "5" when he is so soft defensively?!?!?!/
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:22 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB, solid as usual.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject:

I'm interested to see how Kobe and Farmar work together on the court. Farmar and the young guns seem to run at a faster pace than we are used to. I really like what I see of Turiaf, Cook (mostly), Walton, Vlad and Farmar and think that with these guys getting a little pt during the season we could do a little damage. They have good chemistry together, something we never seem to have with Smush out there. I want Kwame to come back soon though, we need a little more muscle in the middle.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject:

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Phil didn't have a luxury of benching Smush last season when the effort wasn't there...Maybe they won't trust Farmar to start a game, but they might leave him in to finish a game with Kobe, LO and company...and that's all that really counts.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:42 am    Post subject:

I thought Rambis did a good job in this one. I really like the Farmar/Sasha/Walton/Turiaf unit (you can use either LO or Cook with this group in the regular season). That's a high energy bunch with a healthy dose of hoop IQ and passing skills that could develop into a solid second unit.

I kept hoping to see more of Bynum in the 2nd period (I have always been a strong Bynum supporter), but I think Rambis did the right thing in benching him. The kid needs to make a concerted effort to make a contribution when he's kept on the floor for long stretches. Bynum does have stretches where he seems to disappear, stops fighting for position on the offensive end, and doesn't run down the court quickly enough. I'm not quite sure why -- his conditioning has improved substantially, he's bigger and stronger. I think part of it is concentration.

The contrast with Turiaf is noticeable. Almost immediately upon entering the game for Bynum yesterday, Turiaf made a quick move that earned him deep position and an 'and-1'. He always puts himself in position for those type of plays, and he always finds himself near the glass for a rebound. These are two things Bynum doesn't do enough.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Turiaf log major minutes as the backup center in the early part of the season.

And I'd like to see more effort on the defensive end from Smush. He needs to know he's at risk of losing major minutes to a 19-year old rookie, just one season after establishing himself as the starting PG on the league's glamour franchise, so hopefully a spark will be kindled and we'll see a more aggressive, tenacious Smush.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:42 am    Post subject:

Great job DB, your line about McKie and the fork almost made my coffee involuntarily exit through my nose in a fit of laughter.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:08 am    Post subject:

targetman wrote:
I'm interested to see how Kobe and Farmar work together on the court. Farmar and the young guns seem to run at a faster pace than we are used to. I really like what I see of Turiaf, Cook (mostly), Walton, Vlad and Farmar and think that with these guys getting a little pt during the season we could do a little damage. They have good chemistry together, something we never seem to have with Smush out there. I want Kwame to come back soon though, we need a little more muscle in the middle.


I am curious how much patience Kobe is willing to exhibit when, at the end of the game, Farmar makes the wrong decision due to inexperience? Kobe seemed ticked at the end of some games with Odom, a rookie may exhibit more bonehead moves.

Not knocking you, I want to see it as well, if all things work properly, but will Kobe be the savvy mentor, or the fierce competitor?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: KINGS -vs- LAKERS -- 10/17 -- Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

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Farmar -- -- When Worthy features a guard at halftime showing superb footwork fighting over the top of a screen and staying in front of a player like Mike Bibby to thwart a play...and that player is in a Laker jersey...that's got to make you smile. Farmar continues to rise to the defensive challenge of playing a top guard in the league. He's also making them work on the other end, too. Phil didn't have a luxury of benching Smush last season when the effort wasn't there. With the added depth, Rambis did just that, putting Smush on the sideline midway through the third and letting Farmar help dig the team out of a hole.
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Man that was good to see. BENCH SMUSH! His D is terrible and it has not improved since last season. Damn I am glad we have Farmar, he knows how to play the game. You see him go OVER screens!- that is how you go over a screen. Smush is gonna make it easy for Phil this year, I predict that Smush will spend a lot of time on the bench!

Also McKie's injury should mean that he will get cut- FINALLY!- let Pinnok & Farmar get some minutes. And Williams appears to be pretty hurt, now a strained abdominal to go with the hip fracture. I would not be sad to see him cut as well. I want to keep Pinnok- he has some real talent and upside. He was playing the second best Guard defense out there behind Farmar. Gotta love our rookies!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject:

encina1 wrote:
targetman wrote:
I'm interested to see how Kobe and Farmar work together on the court. Farmar and the young guns seem to run at a faster pace than we are used to. I really like what I see of Turiaf, Cook (mostly), Walton, Vlad and Farmar and think that with these guys getting a little pt during the season we could do a little damage. They have good chemistry together, something we never seem to have with Smush out there. I want Kwame to come back soon though, we need a little more muscle in the middle.


I am curious how much patience Kobe is willing to exhibit when, at the end of the game, Farmar makes the wrong decision due to inexperience? Kobe seemed ticked at the end of some games with Odom, a rookie may exhibit more bonehead moves.

Not knocking you, I want to see it as well, if all things work properly, but will Kobe be the savvy mentor, or the fierce competitor?


Kobe will always be the fierce competitor.

That's why I think that he's gonna like playing with Farmar.

You see, in addition to possessing good ball skills and a high hoop IQ, I've noticed (primarily by watching him at UCLA) that Farmar is mentally tough as well. More times than not, when placed in adverse situations Farmar stepped up while others wilted.

Farmar is going to make his fair share of rookie mistakes. However, if presented with steady PT over the first half of the season, I'm willing to bet that those mistakes will have been dramatically reduced by the time the playoffs come around.

Kobe will appreciate having at least one other person he can count on in a Game 7 scenario.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:01 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: KINGS -vs- LAKERS -- 10/17 -- Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

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Farmar -- --
... Don't let the stat line fool you in this one. The tone of the game changed because of the play of Farmar, Turiaf and Sasha.


Don't trust stats? Don't think I like the sound of that...

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