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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -at- SONICS - 11/5 - Thoughts and :-(( ratings

Roadkill... You didn't think we were going 82-0 did you? You could certainly see this loss coming. With the Sonics losing a tough couple of games, they were going to get up for this one and fight hard to scratch the win column at home. We weren't ready physically or mentally to match that intensity.

The Lakers have to continue survive this early part of the season as they try to get Kobe and their missing bigs healthy again. Kobe still looked rusty and continued to set up teammates, leading the team with 15 points and 9 assists. Farmar got 18 minutes of clock and scored 14 points. Lamar wasn't as aggressive as we have seen, shooting just 3-6. Offensively, the real problem were once again turnovers and establishing the post. The poor execution led to 22 turnovers, which the Sonics converted into 31 points. Ouch.

Defensively, we gave up the 117 points on 51.9 percent shooting. We don't have any answers for Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen and Luke Ridnour right now. They seemed to be able to get whatever they wanted. We also did a poor job anchoring the D throughout the night. We have even fewer answers for them when we are on our heels because of the turnovers.

Kobe -- -- Kobe still didn't have that extra gear, but he did look slightly more comfortable about there. Step by step, game by game, we need to get him back into his former self. He had got up high more than once on the defensive glass, which was nice to see. He scored 15 points on 4-10 shooting (0-4 from three), had 4 boards, 9 assists with 3 turnovers in 39 minutes. Phil could have taken him out early, but seemed to want him to get a little extended run. Kobe had some nice moments of chemistry working with Bynum early on. He had a crafty interior feed, dribbling slowly into traffic while sealing his man, drawing defenders then bouncing to Bynum for a dunk. He set up Bynum again, drawing the D under the hoop and Bynum dunked. He and Bynum teamed up again, this time on the two-man game, Kobe hit him with a bouncepass and Bynum scored an easy layup. Kobe blew past Petro in semi-transition and scored an easy reverse. He missed a good look at a three. Fortsen clocked Kobe in the head from behind trying to block a shot, Kobe made both FTs. He threw away a pass trying to go cross court weakly. He attacked the lane and drew FTs, he was mad that he passed out instead of shooting for the And-1. He missed a three badly. He attacked, spun on the help defender and missed an And-1 over a third defender, he made one FT. He picked up his third foul with 10 seconds left in the first half. He missed a turnaround to start the second half. Then, he knocked down back to back 20 footers. He threw another pass away that wasn't there trying to hit Radmanovic in the lane. He missed a reverse that is normally no problem for him. He drew FTs on a bump from Fortson on the perimeter. He found Radmanovic in transition for a jumper. He stutter-stepped then pulled up and hit a 16-footer, that move looked more like him. Kobe picked up technical foul No. 1 on the season when he got irked at our defensive breakdown and bounced a ball too hard off the basket. He missed a long three. Phil on Kobe: "Now it's about finding his timing and getting his rhythm so offensively he can contribute."

Odom -- -- Lamar needs to keep the foot on the gas a bit more than what he had tonight. He scored 11 points on 3-6 shooting (2-4 3PT, 3-4 FTs), he led the team with 7 boards and dished 4 assists with 4 turnovers in 35 minutes. He hit a pull-up three with the shotclock low. He buried another three with the shotclock low on his next attempt. Aggressive attack to his left, he didn't have a shot so he whipped it across court to Luke for an open three. He missed a three at the first quarter buzzer. Nice contest of Wilkins in transition to get a miss. He drew FTs off the pinch post attack, he made both. Poor help D, not closing out on Ridnour when Lamar's man just set a pick to get him free. He attacked Collison off the dribble and scored going to his right. He attacked to his right and drew a foul, made one FT.

Bynum -- -- Excellent job offensively early in the game developing a little chemistry with Kobe. The Lakers, again, did a poor job feeding the post. Simplifying the offense can help ease up the turnovers (and points off turnovers). It's hard to tell whether they want guard penetration off screens or whether Bynum isn't battling down low sometimes. In any event, they need to do a better job getting the ball into the low block and running the basic Tri sets. He didn't do as well as he had in the previous game in anchoring the D, and perhaps that might be why Phil let others get some extended run. Bynum led all Lakers in the first half with 13 points on 5-5 shooting and 3-4 from the line, but he didn't get a shot in the second half. He played 19 minutes and had 3 boards, 1 assist, 2 turnovers and 1 foul. Bynum sealed and dunked off an interior feed from Kobe. He cut down the lane, took a feed from Kobe who was under the hoop and dunked. He pulled down a rebound on the far side of the rim, out reaching Petro and he drew a foul, he made one FT. He worked the two-man game with Kobe and finished easily over the help defender. Great touch after a strong cut, he got the feed from Luke and tossed up a short baseline two-footer over defenders before his momentum carried him under the hoop. Nice first stint with 9 points in 8 and half minutes. He came back with 7:39 in the second quarter. He drew FTs on the defensive glass when the Sonics went over his back. He finally got another post touch as the last option in the set and he hit a turnaround in the lane to beat the shotclock. He had 13 points and 3 boards on 5-5 shooting in the first half. The Lakers lost their lead early in the second, then saw it extended in the third against the starters. Bynum missed some opportunities to patrol the paint.

Smush -- -- Pretty soft game from Smush on both ends. He finished with just 5 points on 2-8 shooting, 0 assists and 1 turnover in 26 minutes. He hit a three from the sideline on his first attempt. He picked up his second foul trying to pull the chair on Rashard, but the officials called him for a push. He had a couple wild drives down the lane to start the second quarter. He attacked down the lane and scooped in a layup for his only other score. He missed a three from the corner. He missed a pull-up three from the wing. Smush led all Lakers with a -19.

Walton -- 8) -- Luke added a slight ankle twist to his groin injury, but he will still probably be good to go. He scored 10 points on 4-7 shooting (1-2 from three), had 4 boards, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 2 steals and 2 blocks in 26 minutes. He hit a baseline jumper on our first possession of the game. Bad angle entry pass to Bynum that resulted in a tie-up (Luke should know better than that). He buried the open three from the wing on a kickout from LO. Nice find of a cutting Bynum down the middle of the lane for a score. He sank a wing jumper. He drew FTs on a baseline feed from Smush. He missed an open three. He threw away a pass on the break. He sank a catch-and-shoot baseline jumper.

Turiaf -- -- Short stint in the first half and didn't get any run late in the game. Phil went to the Cook/Vlad lineup twice in the game. The first time, Seattle snatched momentum in the game. The second time, we fought back a little from a big defecit. Ronny scored 5 points on 2-4 shooting, grabbed 2 boards and had 3 fouls in 15 minutes. He gave up an And-1 to Allen trying to help on penetration. He tapped out an offensive board to keep a possession alive. He scored an And-1 in a crowd off an interior feed. He kept another miss alive and eventually came up with it for a layup.

Evans -- -- Another poor game from Mo. He struggled, missing all three attempts he took and had 3 turnovers and 2 fouls in 11:39 of action. We did see Phil experiment a little with an Evans/Kobe back court for a short stint. Mo had a little trouble prior to that, fouling when double teamed in the backcourt with the ball. He telegraphed an entry pass for a turnover. Nice D, stepping into the passing lane to deflect a pass and it resulted in a breakaway score on the other end. He bricked a three badly. Then, watched an offensive board go to a Sonic instead of hustling back for a defensive board and they scored.

Cook -- -- Cook's first stint as the C with Vlad at PF got us smoked. We couldn't control the defensive glass or defend the paint. His second stint was more productive, and he managed a couple of blocks as the Lakers chipped away a bit at the Sonics huge lead. Cook had 11 points on 4-10 shooting in 14 minutes, he added 6 boards (4 offensive), but also 4 fouls and 3 turnovers in that time. He scored an And-1 layup off an offensive board. He drew a foul on a scramble under the hoop and made one FT. He missed a wide open three at the end of the half. He scored a layup off Radmanovic's drive and dish. He knocked down a 17-footer out of a standard Tri sequence, popping out from the weakside. Nice team-up with Vlad to stuff Allen badly at the rim on a throwdown attempt. He hit an open jumper at the top of the key on a drive and kick from Farmar.

Radmanovic -- -- A bit of an up and down game from Vlad, but he seemed to get back to a bit of his old self later. Tonight's game seemed a little more prototypical of how he usually plays on the offensive end. Nearly half of all his attempts in his career have been from beyond the arc. Prior to this game, only 3 of his 18 attempts were from three (clearly showing the change he has had to make because of his injury). Tonight, he shot 4-7, going 2-4 from three for 10 points in 23 minutes. He also had 4 boards, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and 2 blocked shots. He still had plenty of sketchy moments and a couple of awkward looking shots. He passed up on a three early on and threw the ball away. He passed up on another three, attacked and lost the ball on the baseline. He missed a three from the corner. He sank a three from the wing. Next time down the court he quickly rose up and sank a three from the other side of the court. He sank his third shot in a row in transition, pulling up from about 12 feet and hitting. He attacked off the dribble and set up Cook nicely under the hoop for a score. He jumped the passing lane and came up with a steal, then fed Farmar on the break for a score. He took a nice angle on the next defensive stand to get around his man and force an entry pass to go out of bounds. He hit a 12 footer on a nice attack across the lane from the elbow. Good feed from the post to Farmar cutting out of the Tri and it drew FTs.

Farmar -- -- Judging by the last couple of games, Farmar seems to have worked his way into the rotation as the second guard off the bench. Tonight, Phil used some of the game to get Farmar some extended run. He answered the call nicely, scoring 14 points on 5-6 shooting with 1 assist and 0 turnovers in 18:10 of action. He came in midway through the first for Smush who had to sit with fouls. He helped cause an 8 second violation with Lamar in the backcourt with some pressure D. He faked the three to lose a rushing Ridnour, took a dribble in and hit the wing jumper. He was called for his second foul in three minutes on what looked like a clean block from behind on Ridnour (Phil was up off the bench on that call). He hit an And-1 teardrop, busting out on the break and taking contact as he released, he made the FT. He rose up and swished a wing three quickly into the offensive set. Good hustle to keep an offensive board alive. He ran the two-man game with Cook a couple of times and it resulted in open looks for Sasha. He attacked and kicked it to Cook for an open 18-footer. He took a bounce pass from Kobe, drove and scored the layup. He missed a three, hustled after his miss, attacked, rose up high and scored the layup. Strong cut from the wing out of the Tri, Vlad found him and he drew FTs, making both. Farmar was clearly the best guard on the floor for the Lakers tonight.

Vujacic -- -- Sasha finally scratched after going scoreless the first couple games and getting benched in the last one. He scored 7 points on 2-4 shooting in 9:32. He didn't have an assist, had 1 turnover and 2 fouls in that time. He came in late in the first. He drew a foul on the perimeter shortly later and scored his first two points of the season on FTs. He quickly gave up FTs a few seconds later on the other end. He passed up a three and traveled. Next time on that exact same sequence (a Farmar/Cook two-man set), he rattled in the three straight away. Excellent hustle off a jumpball to step into the spot where the Sonics tipped it, fight for it, push it up and then hit the long pull-up J, standing on the wing three-point line. He got blocked on a jumper. Sasha saw some minutes defensively on Allen and did as well (or as poor) as everyone else besides LO.

Shammond -- -- There was a Shammond sighting when Smush and Farmar got into foul trouble in the first quarter. He missed his first shot from long range. He got beat off the dribble by Ridnour for a score at the end of the first quarter. He played just 3:11 and didn't score.

Phil -- -- Phil made his first road game of the season and had some special padding on his chair to help... He subbed in Turiaf a little earlier tonight than the previous night. Not sure whether it was because Bynum couldn't secure a defensive board or if he thought about shortening Bynum's stints... The Lakers led by as much as 10 in the first quarter, but led only by 2 at the end of it... Then, the Cook, Radmanovic, Walton, Evans, Smush lineup got chewed up on both ends (11-0 run) when Phil put them into to start the second quarter. Seattle got on a nice roll. Later, Phil would revisit that lineup when the lead was large and they would chip away at it with a nice run (better defensive moments from both Cook and Vlad in that run). According to Ridnour, "The second quarter got us going and we were able to carry it over to the third quarter."... The Lakers had 13 turnovers in the first half and the Sonics scored 18 points off of them... Phil went to a Turiaf, Radmanovic, Odom, Kobe, Evans big guard lineup late in the third... Some better use of the Farmar/Cook two-man game in this one. It seemed they've ignored that a bit. Tonight, it helped pull a third defender over on a couple of sequences... Again, we ignored our bigs in the post. I know Phil wanted to collapse the D with guard penetration and that brings out the bigs for screens, but we also need to establish the low block and work some sets that way. "We've got to recognize what's going on offensively," Lamar said. "We've got to execute; get the ball into guys in scoring position."...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject:

Thanks, DB!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:36 pm    Post subject:

I'm sorry DB... you must have made a mistake. I suggest you go back and watch the game again. Or just ask LOdom07 all about it. He'll tell you it was all Kobe's fault... cause he "doing his thing".
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:40 pm    Post subject:

On a more serious note... something that really ticked me off about Kobe's game... was the 0-4 from 3 land. I kept hoping, that he wouldn't try one... and then he did. Amazingly... he shot it exactly how I thought he would... CLANG off the back of the rim. Too strong. Compensating for his lack of leg strength.

There isn't any reason for him to be shooting any 3s right now. He can shoot them in practice to get the feel back and adjust to the day to day change in leg strength. But, he isn't going to make them, right now... so its a wasted shot opportunity.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject:

JD wrote:
I'm sorry DB... you must have made a mistake. I suggest you go back and watch the game again. Or just ask LOdom07 all about it. He'll tell you it was all Kobe's fault... cause he "doing his thing".


Nope not all Kobes fault, but most of the blame has to go on his shoulders, as well as Phils for allowing him to play the way he did. When he benched him as a result of his play, he should of kept him out longer instead of bringing him back in so quick. But I guess having Smush othere stinking it up, Phil had no choice.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:49 pm    Post subject:

JD wrote:
On a more serious note... something that really ticked me off about Kobe's game... was the 0-4 from 3 land. I kept hoping, that he wouldn't try one... and then he did. Amazingly... he shot it exactly how I thought he would... CLANG off the back of the rim. Too strong. Compensating for his lack of leg strength.

There isn't any reason for him to be shooting any 3s right now. He can shoot them in practice to get the feel back and adjust to the day to day change in leg strength. But, he isn't going to make them, right now... so its a wasted shot opportunity.


Mr. Bryant plays by his own rules...no such thing as a wasted shot opportunity for Kobe. I mean, his teammates who were responsible for winning without him, isn't capable of hitting shots so Kobe may as well take it...right?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:49 pm    Post subject:

it wasn't kobe 'dominating' the ball that led to the loss.

it was taking bynum out early when he was 5 for 5 and then when he returned...refusing to feed the post. in prior games, feeding bynum+turiaf+odom going into the post was what won us games. problem tonight was they made their first 4 threes and then felt content only shooting jumpers all game.

the tri execution got sloppy and they passed/dribbled too much. they played a win-hungry team playing on all cylinders and also toyed with different lineups (shammond/sasha/mo/vlad/cook...yeesh!).

not a big deal. its one game.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject:

LOdom07 wrote:
JD wrote:
On a more serious note... something that really ticked me off about Kobe's game... was the 0-4 from 3 land. I kept hoping, that he wouldn't try one... and then he did. Amazingly... he shot it exactly how I thought he would... CLANG off the back of the rim. Too strong. Compensating for his lack of leg strength.

There isn't any reason for him to be shooting any 3s right now. He can shoot them in practice to get the feel back and adjust to the day to day change in leg strength. But, he isn't going to make them, right now... so its a wasted shot opportunity.


Mr. Bryant plays by his own rules...no such thing as a wasted shot opportunity for Kobe. I mean, his teammates who were responsible for winning without him, isn't capable of hitting shots so Kobe may as well take it...right?


he took 9 shot attempts. this wasn't a kobe game from last year where he took 30. he took 9. and had 9 assists.

reading previous threads your anti-kobe agenda clearly outweighs any desire to judge the game for what it actually was.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject:

LOdom07 wrote:
JD wrote:
On a more serious note... something that really ticked me off about Kobe's game... was the 0-4 from 3 land. I kept hoping, that he wouldn't try one... and then he did. Amazingly... he shot it exactly how I thought he would... CLANG off the back of the rim. Too strong. Compensating for his lack of leg strength.

There isn't any reason for him to be shooting any 3s right now. He can shoot them in practice to get the feel back and adjust to the day to day change in leg strength. But, he isn't going to make them, right now... so its a wasted shot opportunity.


Mr. Bryant plays by his own rules...no such thing as a wasted shot opportunity for Kobe. I mean, his teammates who were responsible for winning without him, isn't capable of hitting shots so Kobe may as well take it...right?


Yeh i agree. Our offense was horrible. Our defensive game kept us in the game. Lamar played some lockdown d today
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject:

Great Work DB:

Wondering if you thought that during the 2Q and 3Q, the ball seemed to stop moving for awhile in Kobe's hands - it seemed like he wasn't sure where was supposesd to be?

Smush and Evans in the backcourt - especially against guards such as Watson obviously doesn't work. I think Phil realizes that Smush cannot bring up the ball against these type of guards - though guards such as BShaw and Harper did. Phil allowed this lineup of Smush/Evans/Cook/Vlad/forgot who was the 5th person for a period of time to let them figure it out - they didn't. Do you think that Phil thinks that this line-up will work in time or it was just an experiment.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject:

We really got worked tonight, but the bright side is the play of the 2 "yutes": Bynum & Farmar.

Good to see Kobe working in with Bynum. There was some nice 2-man plays between them. Just not enough. There were too many stretches when Bynum never got a touch. Defensively, well, let's say that Bynum played as poorly as everyone else did on that end of the floor.

Farmar has elevated over Sasha and Sham as the 1st guard off the bench and should be overtaking Smush soon. Is it me or does Smush look completely uninterested?

The Sonics used all the energy they got from their opening night crowd and the old guys reunion. Too bad they didn't take a page from the Heat and just lay an egg in their home opener.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:20 am    Post subject:

It seemed like we didnt give Turiaf a chance until it was too late.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject:

Klone_dd wrote:
We really got worked tonight, but the bright side is the play of the 2 "yutes": Bynum & Farmar.


Eh, the two what? Uh, uh, what was that word?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:39 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:

Wondering if you thought that during the 2Q and 3Q, the ball seemed to stop moving for awhile in Kobe's hands - it seemed like he wasn't sure where was supposesd to be?


His whole game is off a bit. Some of it is mental decisiveness and a lot of it is physical. He can't strike out of the Tri quickly unless it's a jumper right now (and even that is off). It's going to take some time. Hopefully, he can find a comfort zone out there until he gets it back.

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"Just kind of getting the flow of the game down a little bit," said Bryant, who had arthroscopic surgery July 15. "I haven't played in a long, long time, so it's just kind of getting that rhythm back. It felt like my passes were a little bit more sharper than they were the other night. Going forward, it's just working within the offense and getting good looks and things like that. It's step by step."
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject:

After not watching the game live and reading some of these threads, I expected to find Kobe dominating the ball for extended periods just to find his own shot. Imagine my surprise when I actually went back and watched the game. By my count, there was only one instance — near the end of the third — when Bryant held the ball for several seconds, was swarmed by several defenders, turned and jacked up an off-balance shot — and was promptly bailed out by the ref.

So much for Kobe supposedly holding on to the ball too long and stagnating the offense. :roll:

Non-existant D and a hot-shooting Sonics team basically did in the Lakers tonight.

Anyway, thanks for the write-up, DB. It's always spot on and insightful.



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Turnovers are killing the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject:

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So much for Kobe supposedly holding on to the ball too long and stagnating the offense

Triangle offense.

I'm not going to make this all about Kobe - it isn't. The team lost primarily because of the TO's and lack of D. However since Kobe has come back the Triangle hasn't run as well. Now I may well be bashed for that but it's what I have seen.

I understand why Tex listed Wade as the best SG and Kobe as the best SF. Makes alot of sense watching how they ran the Triangle without Kobe and now with him.

Bryant just needs to get back to 100% and play SF to maxamize the Triangle.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject:

Phil is just experimenting with some different lineups when he took both Odom and Kobe out of the game for too long of a stretch, that ended costing us the game. Its aliright, its just one game. Don't be bashing Kobe or Phil for this.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject:

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So much for Kobe supposedly holding on to the ball too long and stagnating the offense


I'm not going to make this all about Kobe - it isn't. The team lost primarily because of the TO's and lack of D. However since Kobe has come back the Triangle hasn't run as well. Now I may well be bashed for that but it's what I have seen.


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I hear ya, Wolf. Listen, I respect your posts because like DBs, they're always insightful. It just bugs me when I start reading about how Kobe is disrupting the flow of the Triangle offense — and then I actually watch the game and I see something completely different. Mind you, Kobe made his share of bad plays tonight, mostly with his penchant to jack up threes and will his team back into the game in that manner. In the past, this would sometimes work. Tonight, it didn't. This game, however, was lost elsewhere, with porous D and the Lakers reluctance to continue feeding the post.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:10 am    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Wondering if you thought that during the 2Q and 3Q, the ball seemed to stop moving for awhile in Kobe's hands - it seemed like he wasn't sure where was supposesd to be?
His whole game is off a bit. Some of it is mental decisiveness and a lot of it is physical. He can't strike out of the Tri quickly unless it's a jumper right now (and even that is off). It's going to take some time. Hopefully, he can find a comfort zone out there until he gets it back.
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"Just kind of getting the flow of the game down a little bit," said Bryant, who had arthroscopic surgery July 15. "I haven't played in a long, long time, so it's just kind of getting that rhythm back. It felt like my passes were a little bit more sharper than they were the other night. Going forward, it's just working within the offense and getting good looks and things like that. It's step by step."
Given your assessment/observation, only PT will solve these issues of integrating Kobe into the Tri (strange saying this?!?!?!).

The Vlad/Cook/Luke/Evans/Smush (w/o Kobe & LO) frontcourt is something that Phil is experimenting with, any observations on why Phil think that this could work given that Cook is soft/Smush is still trying to find either his brains or heart (shades of Wizard of Oz - maybe Phil can be the Almighty "Wizard?!?!") while not having the handles to deal with any kind of pressure and Evans still learning the Tri?
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I hear ya, Wolf. Listen, I respect your posts because like DBs, they're always insightful. It just bugs me when I start reading about how Kobe is disrupting the flow of the Triangle offense — and then I actually watch the game and I see something completely different. Mind you, Kobe made his share of bad plays tonight, mostly with his penchant to jack up threes and will his team back into the game in that manner. In the past, this would sometimes work. Tonight, it didn't. This game, however, was lost elsewhere, with porous D and the Lakers reluctance to continue feeding the post

No doubt that the TO's and the lack of D is this team's biggest weakness.

However I don't see them playing this spectacular D anyway, I expect them to become a spectacular offensive team and they have the talent for it.

I am ussually upbeat after losses but what pissed me off about this loss is that they played the right way to start off and just all of a sudden forgot how they were 3-0 (On their way to 4-0) in the first place.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:21 am    Post subject:

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Phil is just experimenting with some different lineups when he took both Odom and Kobe out of the game for too long of a stretch, that ended costing us the game. Its aliright, its just one game. Don't be bashing Kobe or Phil for this.


Problem with that sub you mention above by Phil is we got killed doing the EXACT same thing last game. I brought it up as a key point in the last report. The Vlad/Cook lineup without Kobe or LO to start the second quarter tonight was a 11-0 run tonight for Seattle. They seized control of the game there and didn't look back, as you mention (as they did, too). But the Vlad/Cook bigman lineup in second quarter of the last game was killed 10-0. As soon as I saw that lineup to start the second quarter tonight I braced myself to be shelled. Sure enough...

It might match up better with other teams, but looks like trouble against the Sonics. Hopefully, we'll be getting Kwame back soon and Phil will have some more options he trusts.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject:

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The Vlad/Cook lineup without Kobe or LO to start the second quarter tonight was a 11-0 run tonight for Seattle. They seized control of the game there and didn't look back, as you mention (as they did, too). But the Vlad/Cook bigman lineup in second quarter of the last game was killed 10-0. As soon as I saw that lineup to start the second quarter tonight I braced myself to be shelled. Sure enough

DB when I saw that run happen and Phil sit on his chair all smug, I had that feeling this would be one of the games that Phil was willing to lose in the name of improving the team.

What improves? Who the hell knows. Maybe he didn't like how they beat Seattle and wanted them to lose a game to actually get the point of how to execute the offense. Losses certainly make the ears bigger - that's Phil's own saying.

He gets paid 10 million to worry about that and we as fans get fits thanks to it
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject:

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Given your assessment/observation, only PT will solve these issues of integrating Kobe into the Tri (strange saying this?!?!?!).


Well, yes, only way to get back into the flow is with PT...which Phil purposely tried to give Kobe some extra minutes of tonight even though the game was pretty much out of reach. The other thing, though, is just "healing time" for Kobe. He's not himself.

Hopefully the "PT" and the "healing time" don't run up against each other in negative fashion.
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The Vlad/Cook/Luke/Evans/Smush (w/o Kobe & LO) frontcourt is something that Phil is experimenting with, any observations on why Phil think that this could work given that Cook is soft/Smush is still trying to find either his brains or heart (shades of Wizard of Oz - maybe Phil can be the Almighty "Wizard?!?!") while not having the handles to deal with any kind of pressure and Evans still learning the Tri?


No idea.

I think it may have its moments against other teams, but we witnessed our lead disappear in the prior Seattle game with Vlad/Cook combo trying to anchor the D.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject:

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DB when I saw that run happen and Phil sit on his chair all smug, I had that feeling this would be one of the games that Phil was willing to lose in the name of improving the team.


I suppose it's possible. I thought we probably would have lost this game, anyway...even if we learned from the last game. Seattle was going to fight like a cornered, rabid, pissed off mutt and we probably wouldn't rise to that level of intensity. Plus, we've got too many "issues" of our own to start the season.
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