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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject:

LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject:

FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject:

Jeffs wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.


Why not,explain this to me. Am I missing something?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject:

I'm pretty sure it has been explained in more detail earlier in this thread. If the Lakers denounced Marion, they still wouldn't have enough cap space for a max deal, so they wouldn't get Brand, JO, etc. unless they were willing to take a paycut.

Regardless, I still am, and have been, in favor of trading LO for Marion. The team has nothing to lose at this point.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject:

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I'm pretty sure it has been explained in more detail earlier in this thread. If the Lakers denounced Marion, they still wouldn't have enough cap space for a max deal, so they wouldn't get Brand, JO, etc. unless they were willing to take a paycut.

Regardless, I still am, and have been, in favor of trading LO for Marion. The team has nothing to lose at this point.


Yes they do. marion has very little impact when it comes to the playoffs. checking his stats dont mean he's impacting a game to the point where another team has to plan for him. LO impacts the game in the playoffs. and it makes opponents have to change their game plan to try and slow/stop LO. This means a lot in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject:

FreakofNature wrote:
Jeffs wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.


Why not,explain this to me. Am I missing something?


You are missing a lot:

It is Marion's option in 2008, not the team's. He wouldn't opt out, if he is smarter than DeShawn Stevenson and Bonzi Wells.

Even if he does: the Lakers have about $48MM committed to 2008. Where do you see the max if salary cap is about $55MM-$57MM
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject:

golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
Jeffs wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.


Why not,explain this to me. Am I missing something?


You are missing a lot:

It is Marion's option in 2008, not the team's. He wouldn't opt out, if he is smarter than DeShawn Stevenson and Bonzi Wells.

Even if he does: the Lakers have about $48MM committed to 2008. Where do you see the max if salary cap is about $55MM-$57MM



OK I see...What about cutting guys like Cook and Evans,and what about Kwame? All this and denouncing marion,would this give us a shot at Brand or JO,Arenas while still keeping KObe and Bynum?

Thanks...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:46 pm    Post subject:

renounce not denounce
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject:

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Jeffs wrote:
I'm pretty sure it has been explained in more detail earlier in this thread. If the Lakers denounced Marion, they still wouldn't have enough cap space for a max deal, so they wouldn't get Brand, JO, etc. unless they were willing to take a paycut.

Regardless, I still am, and have been, in favor of trading LO for Marion. The team has nothing to lose at this point.


Yes they do. marion has very little impact when it comes to the playoffs. checking his stats dont mean he's impacting a game to the point where another team has to plan for him. LO impacts the game in the playoffs. and it makes opponents have to change their game plan to try and slow/stop LO. This means a lot in my opinion.


It's a freaking broken record, P&P.

Odom does not force other teams to plan around him in the playoffs. Teams don't plan around stopping him. Even in the last two years, where Odom has had a very favorable matchup over a smaller player, Phoenix has no planned their defense around him. They planned it around Kobe (and for good reason).

Marion has very similar playoff stats to Odom, so I don't see why you claim he has little impact on the playoffs. What Marion also does, however, is give you 20/10 for 80 games. Way better than LO's 60, IMO.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject:

FreakofNature wrote:
golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
Jeffs wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.


Why not,explain this to me. Am I missing something?


You are missing a lot:

It is Marion's option in 2008, not the team's. He wouldn't opt out, if he is smarter than DeShawn Stevenson and Bonzi Wells.

Even if he does: the Lakers have about $48MM committed to 2008. Where do you see the max if salary cap is about $55MM-$57MM



OK I see...What about cutting guys like Cook and Evans,and what about Kwame? All this and denouncing marion,would this give us a shot at Brand or JO,Arenas while still keeping KObe and Bynum?

Thanks...

No.

Evans is not in these calculations. Cook, even if he is cut: his $3.5MM is still counted against the cap. Unless he is being picked up from the waivers (unlikely event).

Next year salaries (some of it - estimates as actual figures have not been published).

Kobe - $21.3MM
Marion - $0 (opted out and we have renounced his rights)
Kwame - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Radman - $6MM
DFish - $4.4MM (estimate)
Luke - $4.4MM
Cookie - $3.5MM
Mihm - $2.5MM
Bynum - $2.8MM
Sasha - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Mo - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Crit - $1.4MM
Farmar - $1.1MM
Next year draft pick - $1MM

Totaling $48.4MM (some of the salaries are close estimates).

I hope, it answers all questions you posiibly might have.

If not - please let me know.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject:

Jeffs wrote:
postandpivot wrote:
Jeffs wrote:
I'm pretty sure it has been explained in more detail earlier in this thread. If the Lakers denounced Marion, they still wouldn't have enough cap space for a max deal, so they wouldn't get Brand, JO, etc. unless they were willing to take a paycut.

Regardless, I still am, and have been, in favor of trading LO for Marion. The team has nothing to lose at this point.


Yes they do. marion has very little impact when it comes to the playoffs. checking his stats dont mean he's impacting a game to the point where another team has to plan for him. LO impacts the game in the playoffs. and it makes opponents have to change their game plan to try and slow/stop LO. This means a lot in my opinion.


It's a freaking broken record, P&P.

Odom does not force other teams to plan around him in the playoffs. Teams don't plan around stopping him. Even in the last two years, where Odom has had a very favorable matchup over a smaller player, Phoenix has no planned their defense around him. They planned it around Kobe (and for good reason).

Marion has very similar playoff stats to Odom, so I don't see why you claim he has little impact on the playoffs. What Marion also does, however, is give you 20/10 for 80 games. Way better than LO's 60, IMO.

I think doug collins said it during a game. LO does not know how to take advantage of Kobe on the court. The dude is lame, but he can rebound real nice and all
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject:

golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
Jeffs wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.


Why not,explain this to me. Am I missing something?


You are missing a lot:

It is Marion's option in 2008, not the team's. He wouldn't opt out, if he is smarter than DeShawn Stevenson and Bonzi Wells.

Even if he does: the Lakers have about $48MM committed to 2008. Where do you see the max if salary cap is about $55MM-$57MM



OK I see...What about cutting guys like Cook and Evans,and what about Kwame? All this and denouncing marion,would this give us a shot at Brand or JO,Arenas while still keeping KObe and Bynum?

Thanks...

No.

Evans is not in these calculations. Cook, even if he is cut: his $3.5MM is still counted against the cap. Unless he is being picked up from the waivers (unlikely event).

Next year salaries (some of it - estimates as actual figures have not been published).

Kobe - $21.3MM
Marion - $0 (opted out and we have renounced his rights)
Kwame - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Radman - $6MM
DFish - $4.4MM (estimate)
Luke - $4.4MM
Cookie - $3.5MM
Mihm - $2.5MM
Bynum - $2.8MM
Sasha - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Mo - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Crit - $1.4MM
Farmar - $1.1MM
Next year draft pick - $1MM

Totaling $48.4MM (some of the salaries are close estimates).

I hope, it answers all questions you posiibly might have.

If not - please let me know.
Mihm will opt out if he is not dead.

Cook would be traded for marion also.

Vlad could be traded with the pick for an expiring contract.


Now you can have a new number
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject:

Luke wrote:
golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
Jeffs wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.


Why not,explain this to me. Am I missing something?


You are missing a lot:

It is Marion's option in 2008, not the team's. He wouldn't opt out, if he is smarter than DeShawn Stevenson and Bonzi Wells.

Even if he does: the Lakers have about $48MM committed to 2008. Where do you see the max if salary cap is about $55MM-$57MM



OK I see...What about cutting guys like Cook and Evans,and what about Kwame? All this and denouncing marion,would this give us a shot at Brand or JO,Arenas while still keeping KObe and Bynum?

Thanks...

No.

Evans is not in these calculations. Cook, even if he is cut: his $3.5MM is still counted against the cap. Unless he is being picked up from the waivers (unlikely event).

Next year salaries (some of it - estimates as actual figures have not been published).

Kobe - $21.3MM
Marion - $0 (opted out and we have renounced his rights)
Kwame - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Radman - $6MM
DFish - $4.4MM (estimate)
Luke - $4.4MM
Cookie - $3.5MM
Mihm - $2.5MM
Bynum - $2.8MM
Sasha - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Mo - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Crit - $1.4MM
Farmar - $1.1MM
Next year draft pick - $1MM

Totaling $48.4MM (some of the salaries are close estimates).

I hope, it answers all questions you posiibly might have.

If not - please let me know.
Mihm will opt out if he is not dead.

Cook would be traded for marion also.

Vlad could be traded with the pick for an expiring contract.


Now you can have a new number


Instead of this ^^^^ wishful thinking, how 'bout trading Cook, Vlade and Kwame for JO , then let him opt out and sign Agent 0 and EB with TD for MLE
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject:

golakersgo121 wrote:
Luke wrote:
golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
Jeffs wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.


Why not,explain this to me. Am I missing something?


You are missing a lot:

It is Marion's option in 2008, not the team's. He wouldn't opt out, if he is smarter than DeShawn Stevenson and Bonzi Wells.

Even if he does: the Lakers have about $48MM committed to 2008. Where do you see the max if salary cap is about $55MM-$57MM



OK I see...What about cutting guys like Cook and Evans,and what about Kwame? All this and denouncing marion,would this give us a shot at Brand or JO,Arenas while still keeping KObe and Bynum?

Thanks...

No.

Evans is not in these calculations. Cook, even if he is cut: his $3.5MM is still counted against the cap. Unless he is being picked up from the waivers (unlikely event).

Next year salaries (some of it - estimates as actual figures have not been published).

Kobe - $21.3MM
Marion - $0 (opted out and we have renounced his rights)
Kwame - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Radman - $6MM
DFish - $4.4MM (estimate)
Luke - $4.4MM
Cookie - $3.5MM
Mihm - $2.5MM
Bynum - $2.8MM
Sasha - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Mo - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Crit - $1.4MM
Farmar - $1.1MM
Next year draft pick - $1MM

Totaling $48.4MM (some of the salaries are close estimates).

I hope, it answers all questions you posiibly might have.

If not - please let me know.
Mihm will opt out if he is not dead.

Cook would be traded for marion also.

Vlad could be traded with the pick for an expiring contract.


Now you can have a new number


Instead of this ^^^^ wishful thinking, how 'bout trading Cook, Vlade and Kwame for JO , then let him opt out and sign Agent 0 and EB with TD for MLE


Where's the wishful thinking ?

Mihm has an opt out which he will use if he is healthy.

Cook would go in the trade Lamar/Marion , as rumored many times.


Vlad plus a first rounder for expiring contracts could be done with a team which needs a gunner ( and has no cap space problems)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject:

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renounce not denounce




.....LOL of course....Thanks for the correction...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:00 pm    Post subject:

golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
golakersgo121 wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
Jeffs wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
LO/Cook for Marion...

Denounce Marion in Summer of 08'

With the new capspace go after ....Brand,JO or Arenas....

Keep KObe hapy,keep Bynum,and get a true all-star to join them....

In essence we would trade LO for Brand/JO/Arenas.....

I would at least hope we would try this if at all possible...


Still wouldn't have cap space.


Why not,explain this to me. Am I missing something?


You are missing a lot:

It is Marion's option in 2008, not the team's. He wouldn't opt out, if he is smarter than DeShawn Stevenson and Bonzi Wells.

Even if he does: the Lakers have about $48MM committed to 2008. Where do you see the max if salary cap is about $55MM-$57MM



OK I see...What about cutting guys like Cook and Evans,and what about Kwame? All this and denouncing marion,would this give us a shot at Brand or JO,Arenas while still keeping KObe and Bynum?

Thanks...

No.

Evans is not in these calculations. Cook, even if he is cut: his $3.5MM is still counted against the cap. Unless he is being picked up from the waivers (unlikely event).

Next year salaries (some of it - estimates as actual figures have not been published).

Kobe - $21.3MM
Marion - $0 (opted out and we have renounced his rights)
Kwame - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Radman - $6MM
DFish - $4.4MM (estimate)
Luke - $4.4MM
Cookie - $3.5MM
Mihm - $2.5MM
Bynum - $2.8MM
Sasha - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Mo - $0 (UFA and we have renounced his rights)
Crit - $1.4MM
Farmar - $1.1MM
Next year draft pick - $1MM

Totaling $48.4MM (some of the salaries are close estimates).

I hope, it answers all questions you posiibly might have.

If not - please let me know.




THanks for the facts and info.....
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