| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
The Mike
Star Player
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 1126
|
 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: How much longer will the east be the JV |
|
|
I know for about the last 8 years the West has been considered to be way stronger than the east, and still is refered to by some as the JV side of the league. But I was looking and the tide might be about to turn.
During the last 4 years 2 teams from the east won rings.
Also during the last 4 years 8 trades have been made between conferences with players that would be considered upper tear players. ( I may be wrong about this as I only could remember and find 8)
Out of those 8(listed below) only one had the upper tear player moving from East to West.
*Min trades KG to Celtics
*Sea trades R. Allen to Celtics
*Phil trades AI to Denver
*G.S. trades J-Rich to Char
*Por trades Z. Randolph to NY
*LAL trades Shaq to Mia
*Por trades Rasheed Wallace to Atl.
*Sea trades Rashard Lewis to Orl.
So how much longer will it be before the East is no longer looked at as the JV, or what would it take?
_________________
"Kobe Bryant is an absolute nightmare. You can hold your breath, send for help, sacrifice a chicken, it won't matter. Kobe Bryant is coming for you. He's got the ball and he's going to score...some way, some how."
Dancing Barry
Last edited by The Mike on Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
ocho
Retired Number
Joined: 24 May 2005
Posts: 53857
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| when they can have 3-4 contenders and make the finals interesting. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LakerSanity
Moderator
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
Posts: 33474
Location: Long Beach, California
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
When they have 3-4 teams truly capable of winning (not just getting to) the NBA Finals.
_________________
LakersGround's Terms of Service
Twitter: @DeleteThisPost |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
24KaratGold
Franchise Player
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 17350
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: How much long will the east be the JV |
|
|
| The Mike wrote: |
*Min trades KG to Celtics
*Sea trades R. Allen to Celtics
*Phil trades AI to Denver
*G.S. trades J-Rich to Char
*Por trades Z. Randolph to NY
*LAL trades Shaq to Mia
*Por trades Rasheed Wallace to Atl.
*Sea trades Rashard Lewis to Orl.
|
First of all, Sheed was traded to Atlanta but then traded to Detroit almost instantly
The trades I bolded happened this offseason, so you can't really tell how their going to turn out, but basically it's because the teams that got these players don't have enough depth/defense (Charlotte, Knicks, maybe Orlando and Celtics). The ones that did have enough (Pistons, Heat) managed to become legit.
_________________
Double rings > Double rainbow |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Free_Kobe
Franchise Player
Joined: 02 Sep 2005
Posts: 13197
Location: @ the beach
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
One more big trade to the East (No, not Kobe)...
_________________
♪ ♫One good thing about music, when it hits, you feel no pain...
So hit me with music! ♪ ♫ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LakersRGolden
Star Player
Joined: 13 Jan 2002
Posts: 7927
Location: Lake Forest
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| It's not just about contenders. Half that conference needs to improve by about 5 games a season. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LakerSanity
Moderator
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
Posts: 33474
Location: Long Beach, California
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: How much long will the east be the JV |
|
|
| 24KaratGold wrote: | | The Mike wrote: |
*Min trades KG to Celtics
*Sea trades R. Allen to Celtics
*Phil trades AI to Denver
*G.S. trades J-Rich to Char
*Por trades Z. Randolph to NY
*LAL trades Shaq to Mia
*Por trades Rasheed Wallace to Atl.
*Sea trades Rashard Lewis to Orl.
|
First of all, Sheed was traded to Atlanta but then traded to Detroit almost instantly
The trades I bolded happened this offseason, so you can't really tell how their going to turn out, but basically it's because the teams that got these players don't have enough depth/defense (Charlotte, Knicks, maybe Orlando and Celtics). The ones that did have enough (Pistons, Heat) managed to become legit. |
The thing is... if you want sustained success, you need to build slowly, develop players, and make good "for the value" signings. If you overspend and make risky trades, its likely those moves will help immediately but doom you to long-term failure.
Has overpaying for Lewis, trading for KG, trading for Zack Randolph, and trading for Richardson minus whatever it cost those teams really helped them for the long-term? No... Lewis and the contract they gave to Howard eliminates all Orlando's future cap flexibility and Lewis is no superstar. Randolph is a nice piece, but doesn't fit the Knicks balance-wise and is yet another bloated long contract on their payroll. Richardson is nice, but not a true difference maker... especially not in comparison to the other moves or who they could have drafted using the #8 pick. The KG trade eliminated all of Boston's future so they could create a 2-3 window to compete.
Now did any of those moves make those teams contenders to compete with anyone in the West? Every playoff team in the West last year would still beat out Orlando, Charlotte, and/or New York in a 7 game series. Boston is a contender now, but they still don't beat Phoenix or San Antonio, and no gaurantee they beat anyone in the West in a 7 game series.
Fact is, the East got a little better for the SHORT TERM... but not enough to make any real difference Rings-wise. Then in the LONG-TERM these moves actually ensured that the East will continue to be bad because they traded away their futures to the West.
The West is clearly better now and will clearly be better in the future as well.
_________________
LakersGround's Terms of Service
Twitter: @DeleteThisPost |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
24KaratGold
Franchise Player
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 17350
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Just wondering, what's the "score" in terms of rings for the East vs. West all time?
_________________
Double rings > Double rainbow |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
gng930
Franchise Player
Joined: 13 Apr 2001
Posts: 11476
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| If Chicago gets Gasol and/or NJ gets JO then look out. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lakers0505
Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Jun 2005
Posts: 10701
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| You see all those ageing vets that the east has been pilling up and trying to inch closer. Durant/Oden jus smacked the east back, and no doubt the west will be in charge for a long time to come. We not only are better now, we get two best players in one of the best draft classes ever possibly. If a team out east can ever pull themselves together and be dominant they could go on a huge run, making tons of trips to the finals. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MadLaker
Starting Rotation
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Posts: 373
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
| It only takes one |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LakerSanity
Moderator
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
Posts: 33474
Location: Long Beach, California
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
| 24KaratGold wrote: | | Just wondering, what's the "score" in terms of rings for the East vs. West all time? |
To be fair, I think it's best to start from 1980 (although you can see the full list down below)....
East - 14
West - 14 (Last 10 years.... West has won 7 out of 10)
2006-07 San Antonio Spurs Cleveland Cavaliers 4-0
2005-06 Miami Heat Dallas Mavericks 4-2
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs Detroit Pistons 4-3
2003-04 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers 4-1
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs New Jersey Nets 4-2
2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers New Jersey Nets 4-0
2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers 4-1
1999-00 Los Angeles Lakers Indiana Pacers 4-2
1998-99 San Antonio Spurs New York Knicks 4-1
1997-98 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz 4-2
1996-97 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz 4-2
1995-96 Chicago Bulls Seattle SuperSonics 4-2
1994-95 Houston Rockets Orlando Magic 4-0
1993-94 Houston Rockets New York Knicks 4-3
1992-93 Chicago Bulls Phoenix Suns 4-2
1991-92 Chicago Bulls Portland Trail Blazers 4-2
1990-91 Chicago Bulls Los Angeles Lakers 4-1
1989-90 Detroit Pistons Portland Trail Blazers 4-1
1988-89 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers 4-0
1987-88 Los Angeles Lakers Detroit Pistons 4-3
1986-87 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics 4-2
1985-86 Boston Celtics Houston Rockets 4-2
1984-85 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics 4-2
1983-84 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3
1982-83 Philadelphia 76ers Los Angeles Lakers 4-0
1981-82 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers 4-2
1980-81 Boston Celtics Houston Rockets 4-2
1979-80 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers 4-2
1978-79 Seattle SuperSonics Washington Bullets 4-1
1977-78 Washington Bullets Seattle SuperSonics 4-3
1976-77 Portland Trail Blazers Philadelphia 76ers 4-2
1975-76 Boston Celtics Phoenix Suns 4-2
1974-75 Golden State Warriors Washington Bullets 4-0
1973-74 Boston Celtics Milwaukee Bucks 4-3
1972-73 New York Knicks Los Angeles Lakers 4-1
1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers New York Knicks 4-1
1970-71 Milwaukee Bucks Baltimore Bullets 4-0
1969-70 New York Knicks Los Angeles Lakers 4-3
1968-69 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3
1967-68 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-2
1966-67 Philadelphia 76ers San Francisco Warriors 4-2
1965-66 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3
1964-65 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-1
1963-64 Boston Celtics San Francisco Warriors 4-1
1962-63 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-2
1961-62 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3
1960-61 Boston Celtics St. Louis Hawks 4-1
1959-60 Boston Celtics St. Louis Hawks 4-3
1958-59 Boston Celtics Minneapolis Lakers 4-0
1957-58 St. Louis Hawks Boston Celtics 4-2
1956-57 Boston Celtics St. Louis Hawks 4-3
1955-56 Philadelphia Warriors Fort Wayne Pistons 4-1
1954-55 Syracuse Nationals Fort Wayne Pistons 4-3
1953-54 Minneapolis Lakers Syracuse Nationals 4-3
1952-53 Minneapolis Lakers New York Knicks 4-1
1951-52 Minneapolis Lakers New York Knicks 4-3
1950-51 Rochester Royals New York Knicks 4-3
1949-50 Minneapolis Lakers Syracuse Nationals 4-2
1948-49 Minneapolis Lakers Washington Capitols 4-2
1947-48 Baltimore Bullets Philadelphia Warriors 4-2
1946-47 Philadelphia Warriors Chicago Stags 4-1
_________________
LakersGround's Terms of Service
Twitter: @DeleteThisPost |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The Dagger
Star Player
Joined: 15 Mar 2002
Posts: 7276
Location: Sovngarde
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| East still sucks. if you consider the fact that their last two championships were fixed they haven't even won in 10 years. Also the Oden/Durant factor. KG has a couple years of prime left, that may be their only hope to get one legitimate championship in the past 10-15 years. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TNLakersFanInLA
Star Player
Joined: 21 Nov 2004
Posts: 9657
Location: Chattanooga, TN
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
| MadLaker wrote: | | It only takes one |
Miami got lucky, don't consider them relevant
_________________
Monta Ellis: "Kobe is #1, I'm #2, LeBron is #3." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
REPPIN 818
Star Player
Joined: 17 Jun 2007
Posts: 5251
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| TNLakersFan wrote: | | MadLaker wrote: | | It only takes one |
Miami got lucky, don't consider them relevant |
Even if the East wins the Finals, the all star game, the slam dunk contest, the summer league, and the three point shootout, they are still significantly worse than the west. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hi_ma
Star Player
Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Posts: 7952
Location: watching Kobe /Pau duo.
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| REPPIN 818 wrote: | | TNLakersFan wrote: | | MadLaker wrote: | | It only takes one |
Miami got lucky, don't consider them relevant |
Even if the East wins the Finals, the all star game, the slam dunk contest, the summer league, and the three point shootout, they are still significantly worse than the west. |
not really. SAS is the only team that sways it in our favor. The susns have proven to be a reg. season team. The mavs choked(refs or not).
Celts
Pists
cavs
Bulls
Raps
Heat would all fair well in the west. plus O-town got better. NJN are always a Vince showng up away. Clipps, Lakers, Nuggs, GSW, sac, NOK, Minny, Sonics would all have a tough go in the east. TD is the leagues real difference maker right now. Maybe AB, Oden Durant will be that. Just not today |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
24KaratGold
Franchise Player
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 17350
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| hi_ma wrote: | | REPPIN 818 wrote: | | TNLakersFan wrote: | | MadLaker wrote: | | It only takes one |
Miami got lucky, don't consider them relevant |
Even if the East wins the Finals, the all star game, the slam dunk contest, the summer league, and the three point shootout, they are still significantly worse than the west. |
not really. SAS is the only team that sways it in our favor. The susns have proven to be a reg. season team. The mavs choked(refs or not).
Celts
Pists
cavs
Bulls
Raps
Heat would all fair well in the west. plus O-town got better. NJN are always a Vince showng up away. Clipps, Lakers, Nuggs, GSW, sac, NOK, Minny, Sonics would all have a tough go in the east. TD is the leagues real difference maker right now. Maybe AB, Oden Durant will be that. Just not today |
1) Please don't refer to Orlando as O-town
and 2)You think those teams would have a tough go in the East? If we were in the East last year, and if we somehow still had a tougher schedule only playing EC 2x a year, we would have been in 6th place. Meaning we would've played the Raptors in the 1st round. Houston and Utah would have the 3rd best record in the East.
_________________
Double rings > Double rainbow |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hi_ma
Star Player
Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Posts: 7952
Location: watching Kobe /Pau duo.
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| 24KaratGold wrote: | | hi_ma wrote: | | REPPIN 818 wrote: | | TNLakersFan wrote: | | MadLaker wrote: | | It only takes one |
Miami got lucky, don't consider them relevant |
Even if the East wins the Finals, the all star game, the slam dunk contest, the summer league, and the three point shootout, they are still significantly worse than the west. |
not really. SAS is the only team that sways it in our favor. The susns have proven to be a reg. season team. The mavs choked(refs or not).
Celts
Pists
cavs
Bulls
Raps
Heat would all fair well in the west. plus O-town got better. NJN are always a Vince showng up away. Clipps, Lakers, Nuggs, GSW, sac, NOK, Minny, Sonics would all have a tough go in the east. TD is the leagues real difference maker right now. Maybe AB, Oden Durant will be that. Just not today |
1) Please don't refer to Orlando as O-town
and 2)You think those teams would have a tough go in the East? If we were in the East last year, and if we somehow still had a tougher schedule only playing EC 2x a year, we would have been in 6th place. Meaning we would've played the Raptors in the 1st round. Houston and Utah would have the 3rd best record in the East. |
So are we going off last year. O-town is better with shard and playoff experience.
Raps same thing.
Lakers? who knows. Clipps? nope. rox? they have had talent for a while and have yet to do anything. Jazz? Excellent team but pists/Celts/Bulls/Shaqs can get them. Again, We are looking at the upcoming season. Most teams in the east got better. the west? not so much |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LHQ
Starting Rotation
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
Posts: 611
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
Want to know when will the East surpass the West?
That will only happen if 2 of the Big 3 teams of the West more to the East.
_________________
Hymn for the Red October
-Hans Zimmer |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
24KaratGold
Franchise Player
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 17350
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
You can look at talent, but there's not too many teams in the East that strike fear into you. Detroit used to, but not so much now. But in the West, teams get scared when they have to play the Spurs, Mavs, or Suns. You just can't say that about the East
_________________
Double rings > Double rainbow |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
