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| Can someone explain to me why they would trade for a guy and then waive him? Why would they do that? That'd be cool if he rejoined us, though. How do waivers work? |
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I dont think they would waive him..but buy him out..so he wouldnt have to clear waivers
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I dont think they would waive him..but buy him out..so he wouldnt have to clear waivers |
When the player is bought out - he has to clear waivers anyway.
In a sense - simply waiving a player is the same buyout - at the full value of the contract
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dcarter4kobe
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | Can someone explain to me why they would trade for a guy and then waive him? Why would they do that? That'd be cool if he rejoined us, though. How do waivers work? |
I dont know why they would waive him...but they I could see them buying him out to save a couple dollars this year...plus prob. a couple more lottery balls
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| golakersgo121 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I dont think they would waive him..but buy him out..so he wouldnt have to clear waivers |
When the player is bought out - he has to clear waivers anyway.
In a sense - simply waiving a player is the same buyout - at the full value of the contract |
So that means D.Stoudimre would have to clear waivers first right?? And that gives any team the right to claim him??
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Can someone explain to me why they would trade for a guy and then waive him? Why would they do that? That'd be cool if he rejoined us, though. How do waivers work? |
I dont know why they would waive him...but they I could see them buying him out to save a couple dollars this year...plus prob. a couple more lottery balls |
Kwame doesn't fit in any Memphis plans. The two teams might have a nod-nod-wink-wink deal regarding Kwame, nothing in writing, certainly nothing enforceable, but an assurance for planning purposes. |
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dcarter4kobe
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I dont think they would waive him..but buy him out..so he wouldnt have to clear waivers |
When the player is bought out - he has to clear waivers anyway.
In a sense - simply waiving a player is the same buyout - at the full value of the contract |
So that means D.Stoudimre would have to clear waivers first right?? And that gives any team the right to claim him?? |
Nevermin I think
But he wouldn't be waived...he would be bought out.
2 very different things. I'll try to do some digging with the CBA rules. Hopefully I can find something decisive.
But can anybody confirm that Memphis is looking to buyout Kwame. Was that just radio speculation or was it fact. And if it was, then why hasn't it been released online via the associated press?
From the Salary Cap FAQ:
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59. What is a contract buy-out?
Sometimes players and teams decide to divorce each other. They do this by mutually agreeing that:
* The team will waive the player;
* If the player clears waivers, the compensation protection for lack of skill (see question number 90) will be reduced or eliminated;
* Optionally the payment schedule for the remaining salary may be shortened or lengthened
Per CL
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dcarter4kobe
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I dont think they would waive him..but buy him out..so he wouldnt have to clear waivers |
When the player is bought out - he has to clear waivers anyway.
In a sense - simply waiving a player is the same buyout - at the full value of the contract |
So that means D.Stoudimre would have to clear waivers first right?? And that gives any team the right to claim him?? |
Nevermin I think
But he wouldn't be waived...he would be bought out.
2 very different things. I'll try to do some digging with the CBA rules. Hopefully I can find something decisive.
But can anybody confirm that Memphis is looking to buyout Kwame. Was that just radio speculation or was it fact. And if it was, then why hasn't it been released online via the associated press?
From the Salary Cap FAQ:
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59. What is a contract buy-out?
Sometimes players and teams decide to divorce each other. They do this by mutually agreeing that:
* The team will waive the player;
* If the player clears waivers, the compensation protection for lack of skill (see question number 90) will be reduced or eliminated;
* Optionally the payment schedule for the remaining salary may be shortened or lengthened
Per CL
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I dont think they would waive him..but buy him out..so he wouldnt have to clear waivers |
When the player is bought out - he has to clear waivers anyway.
In a sense - simply waiving a player is the same buyout - at the full value of the contract |
So that means D.Stoudimre would have to clear waivers first right?? And that gives any team the right to claim him?? |
Yes, Damon is no exception. BTW, he HAS cleared waivers (I am not sure whether Wednesday night or Thursday morning) and has committed to sign with the Spurs, last I heard.
About "claiming from the waivers". Usually, no team does that. Usually it is a veteran player that is put on waivers, with salaries that prohibited and prevented any interest in trade. Also, by unwritten rules, these veteran players get to pick the team of their liking and waivers therefore is a simple formality
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | Dennis_D wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | | Dennis_D wrote: | | It's the Gary Payton rule, for when Gary Payton refused to report to Atlanta after being traded there from Boston. Atlanta waived him and he immediately went back to Boston. When the league redid the CBA, they put in a rule to prevent the same thing from happening again. |
That wouldn't be correct. The only thing is: the original team that has traded a player can't sign him back (if waived) 30 days after the trade... |
What isn't correct? Here is the rule (link):
| Quote: | | If a team trades a player and the player is subsequently waived by the assignee team, the assignor team will not be permitted to sign the player to a new contract (or claim him off of waivers) until at least 30 days have passed following the date the trade was made (or 20 days for trades that occur during the off-season). |
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Fine, then wait 30 days to re-sign Kwame.
1. No team will claim him off waivers.
2. It isn't a big deal for Kwame. He misses more than 30 days on torn hang nails. |
So if Kwame is claimed off of waivers, then the claiming team would have to pay his contract salary, right? So what would stop a team from claiming him and then trade him as an ending contract?
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| I would love to see Kwame back in LA at reduced KT. 30 days? Hopefully he can come back rested, healed up and close to 100%. We could have him strictly as a defensive specialist. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | So if Kwame is claimed off of waivers, then the claiming team would have to pay his contract salary, right? So what would stop a team from claiming him and then trade him as an ending contract? |
If the team doesn't wait for him to clear waivers, then they would need to be far enough under the cap to take on his salary. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Can Anyone Confirm? (Kwame To Be Waived - Will Join Lakers in 30 days) |
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| kemi4kobes wrote: | A poster (or posters) on realgm posted that they heard on espn radio that Memphis will waive kwame. He will then rejoin the lakers in 30 days.
The 30 days is due to a lg rule.
Did anyone else hear this?
Not saying it will happen, just seeing if anyone here heard it cause i trust people here more |
If a team trades a player, and the team it trades him to is waived, the original team cannot resign the player until 30 days after he clears waiver.
Theoretically, what you describe could happen, but it's unlikely. I doubt Memphis would waive him. If they do waive him, I doubt he would resign here.
It seems unlikely there is some super-secret manuever like this in place. |
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| MedRomLaker wrote: | | GOD NO ... Keep that Cancer OFF OUR TEAM. .. |
Say what? While I respectfully disagree with your position on the desirability of bringing him back at a vet minimun, I can't even respect your characterization of Kwame as a "cancer". That is an incredibly callous and unfair characterization.
Kwame obviously has some holes in his game. He has had difficulty absorbing instruction, and he has a tendency to get nervous out on the floor.
But I have not seen anything to suggest he had a bad attitude, or didn't work hard, or generally brought the team down. He was a stand-up guy after his horror-show game a few weeks ago, and apologized to his teammates. And the way those teammates had his back in the wake of that disaster suggests he is anything but a "cancer".
Kwame is a guy who wants to do well, and does not want to hurt his team. He cares what fans think - that's why he gets nervous. He was overvalued when he was drafted, through no fault of his own. He's made mistakes, and he has worked hard to overcome them and made a sustained effort to rehabilitate his image.
Calling him a "cancer" is as unfair and classless as booing him mercilessly during a game. If you can provide enough evidence to support that characterization to negate my case for him not being a "cancer", I'll retract this statement. Otherwise, think twice before throwing that bomb at someone.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Can Anyone Confirm? (Kwame To Be Waived - Will Join Lakers in 30 days) |
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| activeverb wrote: | | kemi4kobes wrote: | A poster (or posters) on realgm posted that they heard on espn radio that Memphis will waive kwame. He will then rejoin the lakers in 30 days.
The 30 days is due to a lg rule.
Did anyone else hear this?
Not saying it will happen, just seeing if anyone here heard it cause i trust people here more |
If a team trades a player, and the team it trades him to is waived, the original team cannot resign the player until 30 days after he clears waiver.
Theoretically, what you describe could happen, but it's unlikely. I doubt Memphis would waive him. If they do waive him, I doubt he would resign here.
It seems unlikely there is some super-secret manuever like this in place. |
Why would a team waive him now, and not later in the year? Is there a benefit to doing it now than later?
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30 days without basketball would only make Kwame fatter and lazier. It's not like he would take that time to work on any aspect of his game. I've seen enough of Kwame. He provides nothing positive.
I'd rather keep Mbenga and his 6 fouls. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: | | Dennis_D wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | | Dennis_D wrote: | | It's the Gary Payton rule, for when Gary Payton refused to report to Atlanta after being traded there from Boston. Atlanta waived him and he immediately went back to Boston. When the league redid the CBA, they put in a rule to prevent the same thing from happening again. |
That wouldn't be correct. The only thing is: the original team that has traded a player can't sign him back (if waived) 30 days after the trade... |
What isn't correct? Here is the rule (link):
| Quote: | | If a team trades a player and the player is subsequently waived by the assignee team, the assignor team will not be permitted to sign the player to a new contract (or claim him off of waivers) until at least 30 days have passed following the date the trade was made (or 20 days for trades that occur during the off-season). |
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Fine, then wait 30 days to re-sign Kwame.
1. No team will claim him off waivers.
2. It isn't a big deal for Kwame. He misses more than 30 days on torn hang nails. |
So if Kwame is claimed off of waivers, then the claiming team would have to pay his contract salary, right? So what would stop a team from claiming him and then trade him as an ending contract? |
Look at it this way: For a team to claim Kwame off waivers, they'd have to have $9.1 million or so in available cap space. If a team had $9.1 million in available cap space, they wouldn't need an expiring contract. Trade matching rules only apply to a team over the salary cap (with tweaks, of course). |
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| golakersgo121 wrote: | | There is another complication though: 30 days from today is on March 2nd. Only players that are on the roster on March 1 can be included on the playoff team roster... |
Did anyone else see this? Is this true? If so, all Kwame-returning speculation is over.
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There are going to be some quality backup centers on the market after this season. #1 on my list would be Diop. I would also like to get Brian Skinner, he can be had for the vet min. Either one would be a better choice than Kwame.
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| RedSnapper wrote: | | MedRomLaker wrote: | | GOD NO ... Keep that Cancer OFF OUR TEAM. .. |
Say what? While I respectfully disagree with your position on the desirability of bringing him back at a vet minimun, I can't even respect your characterization of Kwame as a "cancer". That is an incredibly callous and unfair characterization.
Kwame obviously has some holes in his game. He has had difficulty absorbing instruction, and he has a tendency to get nervous out on the floor.
But I have not seen anything to suggest he had a bad attitude, or didn't work hard, or generally brought the team down. He was a stand-up guy after his horror-show game a few weeks ago, and apologized to his teammates. And the way those teammates had his back in the wake of that disaster suggests he is anything but a "cancer".
Kwame is a guy who wants to do well, and does not want to hurt his team. He cares what fans think - that's why he gets nervous. He was overvalued when he was drafted, through no fault of his own. He's made mistakes, and he has worked hard to overcome them and made a sustained effort to rehabilitate his image.
Calling him a "cancer" is as unfair and classless as booing him mercilessly during a game. If you can provide enough evidence to support that characterization to negate my case for him not being a "cancer", I'll retract this statement. Otherwise, think twice before throwing that bomb at someone. |
I agree.
I wish i had the quotes with me now, but i saw on a transcript somewhere that Kwame's reaction to Mitch Kupchak about the trade was to thank the Lakers for the opportunity they gave him and that he wishes he could have done better for the team.
Kwame didn't live up to enormous expectations. I think now that he's not on the team anymore, people could lighten up a little. I for one wish him well.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Can someone explain to me why they would trade for a guy and then waive him? Why would they do that? That'd be cool if he rejoined us, though. How do waivers work? |
I dont know why they would waive him...but they I could see them buying him out to save a couple dollars this year...plus prob. a couple more lottery balls |
If they wanted a better chance at more ping pong balls, they would be smart to keep Brown.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | There are going to be some quality backup centers on the market after this season. #1 on my list would be Diop. I would also like to get Brian Skinner, he can be had for the vet min. Either one would be a better choice than Kwame. |
Very good point, ventura, though I doubt Cuban would let Diop walk over to the Lakers. Skinner? I like his tenaciousness, but not his size. He's not the proverbial big body.
Kwame is a big body who knows the system. Well... a big body who has been exposed to the system. Well... a big body... well, when he's healthy.... |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I dont think they would waive him..but buy him out..so he wouldnt have to clear waivers |
When the player is bought out - he has to clear waivers anyway.
In a sense - simply waiving a player is the same buyout - at the full value of the contract |
So that means D.Stoudimre would have to clear waivers first right?? And that gives any team the right to claim him?? |
The Grizzles waived Stoud. For 48 hours any team can claim him -- but that means they would need to take his contract and have $4 million in cap space to do so.
If he clears waivers (meaning no team claims him), he becomes an unrestricted free agent and can sign whenever he wants. |
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| Texas_Pete wrote: | | I would love to see Kwame back in LA at reduced KT. 30 days? Hopefully he can come back rested, healed up and close to 100%. We could have him strictly as a defensive specialist. |
^^Exxxzactly anyone against this is on drugs.
look at this big man depth if that happened
Center- Bynum
Pal(moves to center from starting PF)
Kwame (mihm prolly wont comeback)
kwame would be the best 3rd string center in the nba. there's nothing ever wrong with depth. especially how badly the lakers have been injured in these last few years. dont be foolish. pick that man back up if he's available.
PF-Gasol(starting),Ronny, LO, Vlad
SF-LO/ariza(or flip these two)/luke/vlad(depending how you want to play it)/Kobe
SG-Kobe/sasha/fisher
pg-fisher/farmar/kobe(if need be)/sasha(if we're that injured)
^^^thats has to be the most versatile lineup of guys of all time. |
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why would memphis do that? he will come off the books at the end of the season anyway
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