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| chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit.
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Yea, the alcohol and marijuana were deemed to be insignificant for the guy.
It was the girl who had a ridiculous amount of BAC when she was tested on sight. We're talking about a 17 year old little girl, with a BAC above the adult limit. |
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JerryMagicKobe
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1. Should he go to jail for leaving the scene of a fatal accident. - Yes
2. Should the presence of Alcohol and Marijuana be considered a contributing factor? - Yes
3. Should she be charged with causing a fatal accident? - Yes
4. Should she be charged with driving under the influence? - Yes
He was quickly arrested, and got lousy legal representation so he stayed in jail.
She was given preferential treatment, something AZ is NOT known for, and immediately hired very good council who kept her out of jail.
The ACLU is made for these occasions. |
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| frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
what's the legal limit for marijuana? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| chef wrote: | | frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
what's the legal limit for marijuana? |
Shouldn't she be charged as well? After all we know she was over the legal limit for a minor and for operating vehicle... |
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JerryMagicKobe
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| chef wrote: | | frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
what's the legal limit for marijuana? |
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0 in AZ, IIRC. They claim Zero Tolerance, and I know they enforce it in Havasu - not sure what the penalty is, but I'm sure they will throw the book at someone with even trace amounts involved in a fatal hit and run. AZ is no joke on drugs, even weed.
And I think the legal limit for leaving the scene of an accident is 0 as well. Alcohol has a legal limit, but the DA can prosecute below the legal limit if there were other factors (like marijuana) which could add to the impairment.
Bottom line, he was arrested for fleeing the scene of a fatal accident. He is still in jail because he couldn't meet bail. |
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JerryMagicKobe
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| TACH wrote: | | chef wrote: | | frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
what's the legal limit for marijuana? |
Shouldn't she be charged as well? After all we know she was over the legal limit for a minor and for operating vehicle... |
Absolutely. |
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JerryMagicKobe
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Here is a little something about Sheriff Joe in AZ - lots of other articles, shows etc. that you can find about him too.
LINK |
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chef
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| TACH wrote: | | chef wrote: | | frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
what's the legal limit for marijuana? |
Shouldn't she be charged as well? After all we know she was over the legal limit for a minor and for operating vehicle... |
That wasn't the answer to the question I asked.
If this guy was "under the limit", what is the legal limit for marijuana impairment while driving? |
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TACH
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| chef wrote: | | TACH wrote: | | chef wrote: | | frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
what's the legal limit for marijuana? |
Shouldn't she be charged as well? After all we know she was over the legal limit for a minor and for operating vehicle... |
That wasn't the answer to the question I asked.
If this guy was "under the limit", what is the legal limit for marijuana impairment while driving? |
I don't know the answer to that question... but the question here is, shouldn't she be charged as well. Is she just as if not more culpable for the death of her friend? |
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| chef wrote: | | TACH wrote: | | chef wrote: | | frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
what's the legal limit for marijuana? |
Shouldn't she be charged as well? After all we know she was over the legal limit for a minor and for operating vehicle... |
That wasn't the answer to the question I asked.
If this guy was "under the limit", what is the legal limit for marijuana impairment while driving? |
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chef
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| TACH wrote: | | chef wrote: | | TACH wrote: | | chef wrote: | | frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
what's the legal limit for marijuana? |
Shouldn't she be charged as well? After all we know she was over the legal limit for a minor and for operating vehicle... |
That wasn't the answer to the question I asked.
If this guy was "under the limit", what is the legal limit for marijuana impairment while driving? |
I don't know the answer to that question... but the question here is, shouldn't she be charged as well. Is she just as if not more culpable for the death of her friend? |
I don't know if she would be more culpable for the death of her friend, all I have as a reference is an obviously biased article. |
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I read this article, and a few things kind of stood out for me about this article.
First off, let me preface this by saying, I am a female, black, live in the Phoenix area, and even been called the "n" word by one of our "friendly citizens" a few months back.  I'm originally from SoCal, and yes the P-H-X has a totally different vibe over here.
BUT....I don't understand why the guy ran the scene? That's what stands out most for me.
Should he get the max. penalty for this? NO.
Should she be held criminally liable? HELL YES.
Is it about race? I doubt it.
I'm am a bit surprised by the fact in a state so tough on DUI laws AND traffic laws that she didn't get any time. I'm shocked in fact, because I've had friends who've been caught doing less and been penalized for more. (and they are White). But really that's what a good lawyer does for you. She has it. He doesn't. It's sad. Hopefully someone will take his case pro bono and get him less time or his case overturned.
Also, the newspaper writing this article has it out for Sherrif Joe and his tough as nails tactics in this state. So I'm not surprised they are smearing his department anyway it can. I'm sure they're are many people in Sherrif Joe's jails that have similar or worse circumstances then this guy and are not black. It's just another tactic that the Phoenix New Times will use to get people to dislike the guy.
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| Mockerfab4 wrote: | I read this article, and a few things kind of stood out for me about this article.
First off, let me preface this by saying, I am a female, black, live in the Phoenix area, and even been called the "n" word by one of our "friendly citizens" a few months back. I'm originally from SoCal, and yes the P-H-X has a totally different vibe over here.
BUT....I don't understand why the guy ran the scene? That's what stands out most for me.
Should he get the max. penalty for this? NO.
Should she be held criminally liable? HELL YES.
Is it about race? I doubt it.
I'm am a bit surprised by the fact in a state so tough on DUI laws AND traffic laws that she didn't get any time. I'm shocked in fact, because I've had friends who've been caught doing less and been penalized for more. (and they are White). But really that's what a good lawyer does for you. She has it. He doesn't. It's sad. Hopefully someone will take his case pro bono and get him less time or his case overturned.
Also, the newspaper writing this article has it out for Sherrif Joe and his tough as nails tactics in this state. So I'm not surprised they are smearing his department anyway it can. I'm sure they're are many people in Sherrif Joe's jails that have similar or worse circumstances then this guy and are not black. It's just another tactic that the Phoenix New Times will use to get people to dislike the guy. |
Thanks for the insight. |
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| frijolero01 wrote: | | chef wrote: | The guy charged:
1. Left the scene of the accident
2. Did have alcohol in his system
3. Had marijuana in his system |
um excuse me!!!?? all of the above mentioned was well BELOW the limit. |
In AZ you can be below the limit and still be arrested for a DUI law. Like I stated in my earlier post, AZ has the TOUGHEST DUI laws. Why? Because we're consistently in the top 5 in DUI deaths in the country.
The law basically states you can be arrested if you are found "impaired to the slightest degree". Read this lawyers article about our DUI laws: http://www.duiarizona.com/Law/Penalties/penalties.htm
And our laws just recently gotten tougher:
1st offense =
mandatory jail time
mandatory breathlyzer in your car for 1 year at a cost of $75/month
suspended license
mandatory classes
Fines up to 2K.
So...if you're in AZ, just don't drink & drive. And don't flee from the scene of an accident! Seriously!!!!
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| Mockerfab4 wrote: | I read this article, and a few things kind of stood out for me about this article.
First off, let me preface this by saying, I am a female, black, live in the Phoenix area, and even been called the "n" word by one of our "friendly citizens" a few months back. I'm originally from SoCal, and yes the P-H-X has a totally different vibe over here.
BUT....I don't understand why the guy ran the scene? That's what stands out most for me.
Should he get the max. penalty for this? NO.
Should she be held criminally liable? HELL YES.
Is it about race? I doubt it.
I'm am a bit surprised by the fact in a state so tough on DUI laws AND traffic laws that she didn't get any time. I'm shocked in fact, because I've had friends who've been caught doing less and been penalized for more. (and they are White). But really that's what a good lawyer does for you. She has it. He doesn't. It's sad. Hopefully someone will take his case pro bono and get him less time or his case overturned.
Also, the newspaper writing this article has it out for Sherrif Joe and his tough as nails tactics in this state. So I'm not surprised they are smearing his department anyway it can. I'm sure they're are many people in Sherrif Joe's jails that have similar or worse circumstances then this guy and are not black. It's just another tactic that the Phoenix New Times will use to get people to dislike the guy. |
Insightful.
I felt that the situation was less racial and more social status. The girl's family is well-established in the community and franky, very affluent.
It's like the old west all over again. hahahah...damn town sheriff's biased like no tomorrow towards those who are "established".
Oh well... |
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Some of these responses are just mind-numbing.
The girl was the main culprit of this incident.
I really hope some of you guys get daughters like this. Idiot spring-break spoiled girls who don't have a care in the world. I really, really hope you do.
If people can't feel sympathy for this guy, America is a sad, sad country. Seriously. |
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| methdxman wrote: | Some of these responses are just mind-numbing.
The girl was the main culprit of this incident.
I really hope some of you guys get daughters like this. Idiot spring-break spoiled girls who don't have a care in the world. I really, really hope you do.
If people can't feel sympathy for this guy, America is a sad, sad country. Seriously. |
Wha??
First off...I am very sympathatic for the guy. Just as I am for ANYBODY who is stuck in jail/prison whatever and can't afford a good lawyer. But sympathy is not going to help this guy. A good lawyer will.
And I hope if my daughter did something stupid, I can afford a good lawyer to help her whether she's guilty or not. What the hell is wrong with that? It's what any parent would do for a child!
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I admit I don't have a child or daughter of my own. But I believe I would instill a sense of ethics and good responsibilty in my children.
What this child did was completely irresponsible. Having to get away with it because of Daddy's connections/money is absolutely ludicrous. |
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| BoredTiger wrote: | I admit I don't have a child or daughter of my own. But I believe I would instill a sense of ethics and good responsibilty in my children.
What this child did was completely irresponsible. Having to get away with it because of Daddy's connections/money is absolutely ludicrous. |
And hit and run isn't completely irresponsible as well? |
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| chef wrote: | | BoredTiger wrote: | I admit I don't have a child or daughter of my own. But I believe I would instill a sense of ethics and good responsibilty in my children.
What this child did was completely irresponsible. Having to get away with it because of Daddy's connections/money is absolutely ludicrous. |
And hit and run isn't completely irresponsible as well? |
He's being punished.... her, the underage drunk driver, not so much... actually not at all... |
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chef
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| TACH wrote: | | chef wrote: | | BoredTiger wrote: | I admit I don't have a child or daughter of my own. But I believe I would instill a sense of ethics and good responsibilty in my children.
What this child did was completely irresponsible. Having to get away with it because of Daddy's connections/money is absolutely ludicrous. |
And hit and run isn't completely irresponsible as well? |
He's being punished.... her, the underage drunk driver, not so much... actually not at all... |
Well, I don't know what the court/DA/police found that the facts of the case were. Do you?
But I guess internet investigations and biased news articles are enough to convict! |
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