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Mark_in_Tulsa
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 Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: Does anyone notice anything wrong here? |
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Bryant FGA per 48 = 31.5
Cook FGA per 48 = 16
Mihm FGA per 48 = 14
Parker FGA per 48 = 13.8
Odom FGA per 48 = 13.4
Now looking at that info only, who would you presume to be our number 2 option out of our starting 5? |
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Socks
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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*sigh*
Is this going to be another Odom bashing thread? Don't we have like 50 of those going on already? |
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insidepresence
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I stand by my belief that Odom is a perfect 3rd option for this team...then there would be no pressure for him to score and he could let it come to him. This team with a second scorer (ala Carlos Boozer), would be so dangerous |
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lakers0505
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| oo god, u cant be serious...cookie is our 2 option. We need to get another scorer in here in the offseason. |
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Mark_in_Tulsa
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: | *sigh*
Is this going to be another Odom bashing thread? Don't we have like 50 of those going on already? |
No that wasn't my intention. I'm a fan of LO.
My point is, I think this teams has an obvious problem with shot selection. |
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Socks
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker_in_Tulsa wrote: | | Socks wrote: | *sigh*
Is this going to be another Odom bashing thread? Don't we have like 50 of those going on already? |
No that wasn't my intention. I'm a fan of LO.
My point is, I think this teams has an obvious problem with shot selection. |
Agreed - and sorry I jumped on that one, it's the LO bashing around here is just getting on my nerves.
And agreed with one of the other posters on this thread. LO is a great 3rd scoring option who adds the majority of his value rebounding and passing. Adding a more aggressive scorer would be great. No way Cook should be the #2 dude.
That said, shots p/48 might not be a great stat to look at. Cook is in there to shoot and knows he has to jack his shots up in the limited PT he gets. It doesn't entirely surprise me that he squeezes off more p/48.
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Wannabeer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| insidepresence wrote: | | I stand by my belief that Odom is a perfect 3rd option for this team...then there would be no pressure for him to score and he could let it come to him. This team with a second scorer (ala Carlos Boozer), would be so dangerous |
So the Lakers after its all said and done traded Shaquille for a third option player? wow. |
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karlmalonefan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: | | Laker_in_Tulsa wrote: | | Socks wrote: | *sigh*
Is this going to be another Odom bashing thread? Don't we have like 50 of those going on already? |
No that wasn't my intention. I'm a fan of LO.
My point is, I think this teams has an obvious problem with shot selection. |
Agreed - and sorry I jumped on that one, it's the LO bashing around here is just getting on my nerves.
And agreed with one of the other posters on this thread. LO is a great 3rd scoring option who adds the majority of his value rebounding and passing. Adding a more aggressive scorer would be great. No way Cook should be the #2 dude.
That said, shots p/48 might not be a great stat to look at. Cook is in there to shoot and knows he has to jack his shots up in the limited PT he gets. It doesn't entirely surprise me that he squeezes off more p/48. |
Unfortunately, we had that in Caron for cheap. Too bad we didn't keep the core together to find out what they could do under PJ. I know we need Kwame's interior defense, but Kobe needs some help out there...although sometimes it seems to me Kobe intentionally tries to do everything himself, like last night, for instance...hmmm   |
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LakersRGolden
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone notice anything wrong here? |
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| Laker_in_Tulsa wrote: | Bryant FGA per 48 = 31.5
Cook FGA per 48 = 16
Mihm FGA per 48 = 14
Parker FGA per 48 = 13.8
Odom FGA per 48 = 13.4
Now looking at that info only, who would you presume to be our number 2 option out of our starting 5? |
Looks like we have some balance with our best perimeter player taking twice as many shots as our our mid range sniper followed by our only inside threat........ |
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cmonkee
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: | | Laker_in_Tulsa wrote: | | Socks wrote: | *sigh*
Is this going to be another Odom bashing thread? Don't we have like 50 of those going on already? |
No that wasn't my intention. I'm a fan of LO.
My point is, I think this teams has an obvious problem with shot selection. |
Agreed - and sorry I jumped on that one, it's the LO bashing around here is just getting on my nerves.
And agreed with one of the other posters on this thread. LO is a great 3rd scoring option who adds the majority of his value rebounding and passing. Adding a more aggressive scorer would be great. No way Cook should be the #2 dude.
That said, shots p/48 might not be a great stat to look at. Cook is in there to shoot and knows he has to jack his shots up in the limited PT he gets. It doesn't entirely surprise me that he squeezes off more p/48. |
for example:
Von Wafer: 73 minutes played, 38 shots taken.
= 25 FGA per 48 |
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone notice anything wrong here? |
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| Laker_in_Tulsa wrote: | Bryant FGA per 48 = 31.5
Cook FGA per 48 = 16
Mihm FGA per 48 = 14
Parker FGA per 48 = 13.8
Odom FGA per 48 = 13.4
Now looking at that info only, who would you presume to be our number 2 option out of our starting 5? |
Convenient to mention "looking at that info only."
Your 2nd-option on offense has got to be solid ENOUGH on defense to
play starter minutes and not be a liability.
Cookie gets half that many minutes for a REASON.
He's not good enough on D to be on the floor in all situations or against
all lineups.
Super-duper that he takes that many shots.
Yay Cookie.
But he'll always get fewer minutes than Odom, and for good reason.
Mihm and Parker get starter minutes but your stats are only showing that
they take roughly the same number of shots Odom does.
Mihm won't be the #2 cuz he goes out from foul-trouble too often (even
if he is our only legit low-post option on offense).
Parker won't be the #2 cuz we don't want all of our scoring coming from
our two guards.
Until we find a #2 to knock LO down to our #3 option, it makes sense to
utilize Odom as our 2nd option. |
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LakersRGolden
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone notice anything wrong here? |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | | Laker_in_Tulsa wrote: | Bryant FGA per 48 = 31.5
Cook FGA per 48 = 16
Mihm FGA per 48 = 14
Parker FGA per 48 = 13.8
Odom FGA per 48 = 13.4
Now looking at that info only, who would you presume to be our number 2 option out of our starting 5? |
Convenient to mention "looking at that info only."
Your 2nd-option on offense has got to be solid ENOUGH on defense to
play starter minutes and not be a liability.
Cookie gets half that many minutes for a REASON.
He's not good enough on D to be on the floor in all situations or against
all lineups.
Super-duper that he takes that many shots.
Yay Cookie.
But he'll always get fewer minutes than Odom, and for good reason.
Mihm and Parker get starter minutes but your stats are only showing that
they take roughly the same number of shots Odom does.
Mihm won't be the #2 cuz he goes out from foul-trouble too often (even
if he is our only legit low-post option on offense).
Parker won't be the #2 cuz we don't want all of our scoring coming from
our two guards.
Until we find a #2 to knock LO down to our #3 option, it makes sense to
utilize Odom as our 2nd option. |
But, Bryant - assuming he's not being double teamed at the time - is the only one who can make the pass to Lamar in the post. Yet if Kobe is single covered, he should be attacking. Catch 22. |
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Sidious
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| It's always great to have your 2nd option coming off the bench |
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ElginBaylor
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I've been preaching since the beginning of the season that the one thing that this team is lacking is a second option. Keep the chemistry that has developed between Kobe and Odom and add a viable scorer and we have a legitimate team.
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont blame on the team I blame on the FO |
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vvbandit
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| insidepresence wrote: | | I stand by my belief that Odom is a perfect 3rd option for this team...then there would be no pressure for him to score and he could let it come to him. This team with a second scorer (ala Carlos Boozer), would be so dangerous |
totally agree with you on Odom but Im just not sure Boozer can stay on the court, but if he can then we are definatley back in biz |
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RedSnapper
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker_in_Tulsa wrote: | | I think this teams has an obvious problem with shot selection. |
I disagree ... to a point.
I don't believe the primary problem is with shot selection. The problem is in quick recognition of defensive mismatches, and decisions on where to go, when to cut, and passing the ball to the right man at the right time.
In effect, the problem is with execution of the offense.
Nearly every game review DancingBarry writes includes one or more complaints about the team failing to take advantage of obvious mismatches in the offense.
You can't take the correct shot if you are not where you need to be when you need to be there in order to take that shot.
To me, that is the Laker's offensive problem in a nut shell.
Ironically, despite all of these flaws in their offensive game, they have played well enough on that end of the floor to win about 2/3 of their games - maybe even more. But their DEFENSE has stunk to high heaven more often than not, seemingly on a trend to get worse as the season goes along.
In my opinion, if we want to sit around dissecting what is wrong with this team's performance, we should be spending a lot more time talking about the defensive side of it. Unfortunately, there are not many nifty little statistics one can pile up to make a claim on that one.
Serious discussion on the topic is certainly beyond my expertise. But I'd love to read some by those who do know something about it.
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