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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject: After surviving two assassination attempts, female Mexican mayor abducted and beaten to death

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238577/Maria-Santos-Gorrostieta-executed-surviving-assassination-attempts.html

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject:

Damn dude, they don't play south of the border.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:44 pm    Post subject:

Indeed, and another victim of powerful ruthless cartels who happily kill to maximize their profits during America's sad, misguided and hopeless 'war on drugs'.

Drug abuse is terrible.
Criminalizing the use of drugs is worse.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:51 pm    Post subject:

You know I just got a brilliant idea, the US government should smuggle weapons to the drug cartels so they can track them!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject:

I guess we are gonna have to deploy the troops along the border when the cartels become more desperate as more states legalize marijuana and threaten their profits.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject:

This is what prohibition gets you. Make drugs a white market and the violence will plummet.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:14 pm    Post subject:

Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
This is what prohibition gets you. Make drugs a white market and the violence will plummet.


Problem is that while legalized marijuana seems inevitable, I can't see the legalization of cocaine anytime in the relatively near future.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: After surviving two assassination attempts, female Mexican mayor abducted and beaten to death

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238577/Maria-Santos-Gorrostieta-executed-surviving-assassination-attempts.html

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject:

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Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
This is what prohibition gets you. Make drugs a white market and the violence will plummet.


Problem is that while legalized marijuana seems inevitable, I can't see the legalization of cocaine anytime in the relatively near future.


I wasn't talking about what was likely to happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject:

Mexico is awful.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject:

If we legalize all drugs we generate so much tax revenue for it. This would be an ideal situation
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject:

brutal .... just a damn shame
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:44 pm    Post subject:

(bleep)ing Mexicans. These drug cartels need to be hunted and destroyed. Our troops should get the hell out of the Middle East and give these people the help they desperately need.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:01 pm    Post subject:

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I wanted to show them my wounded, mutilated, humiliated body, because Iím not ashamed of it, because it is the product of the great misfortunes that have scarred my life, that of my children and my family.'


heartbreaking. beautiful woman too.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject:

Damn dude this is a shame, what a sad sorry. I feel so bad for her kids and the people of mexico. It seems like there is no hope, things just continue to get worse and worse down there.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:14 pm    Post subject:

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(bleep)ing Mexicans. These drug cartels need to be hunted and destroyed. Our troops should get the hell out of the Middle East and give these people the help they desperately need.


The War on Drugs hasn't worked for decades. Increasing the military effort isn't going to change the dynamics that lead to the cartels. There's too much money too be had for cartels under the current drug laws. They won't be deterred by the US military anymore then they have been by the Mexican police and military. These cartels have taken over entire states in Mexico and are building submarines to move their product. Even if the US could arrange an occupation, they would be fighting an enemy that is looking to evade them, not confront them. It's folly to think that such an operation would be effective at anything other than increasing civilian deaths.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject:

Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
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Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
This is what prohibition gets you. Make drugs a white market and the violence will plummet.


Problem is that while legalized marijuana seems inevitable, I can't see the legalization of cocaine anytime in the relatively near future.


I wasn't talking about what was likely to happen.


I didn't mean to imply that you were. I was just illustrating the scope of the problem. Legalizing marijuana would certainly help. It removes one revenue stream. But it gets trickier when it comes to coke and meth.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject:

Until Americans dramatically stop consuming drugs to get a high, the market for it will always remain. The only thing that changed from the 80's till now is that most of the drug money and trade is in Mexico instead of Colombia.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject:

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Until Americans dramatically stop consuming drugs to get a high, the market for it will always remain. The only thing that changed from the 80's till now is that most of the drug money and trade is in Mexico instead of Columbia.


That and the fact that the war on drugs actually made the illicit drug industry more lucrative.

Drug consumption is a reality that is not going to disappear. There are far too many human factors that feed into it. The key resides in finding a way to remove the criminal element while not opening the doors to the abuse element.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject:

You're not going to stop drug traffic with police or the military, and you're not going to stop it by some naive attempt to eliminate the demand for drugs. The demand for drugs will never ever go away, it's apart of the human condition. The only thing you can do is make the use and distribution of drugs legal and regulated. Criminals will not be able to compete with the free market, it will wipe them out of existence. Anyone who thinks that the problems the legalization of drugs would cause are worse than the problems that the illegalization of drugs has caused is a moron.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject:

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You're not going to stop drug traffic with police or the military, and you're not going to stop it by some naive attempt to eliminate the demand for drugs. The demand for drugs will never ever go away, it's apart of the human condition. The only thing you can do is make the use and distribution of drugs legal and regulated. Criminals will not be able to compete with the free market, it will wipe them out of existence. Anyone who thinks that the problems the legalization of drugs would cause are worse than the problems that the illegalization of drugs has caused is a moron.


You are absolutely correct. The problem resides in how to approach the legalization aspect. It's one thing to legalize marijuana. Society has actually seen the wisdom in that. The problem lies with things like Cocaine, Heroine and Meth.

That's a legalization issue that is much tougher than opening up Pot to general consumption.

It's getting easier to envision pot dispensaries turning in to pot stores. But no one envisions a Bed, Meth and Beyond franchise in the near future.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject:

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It's getting easier to envision pot dispensaries turning in to pot stores. But no one envisions a Bed, Meth and Beyond franchise in the near future.


It already exists. It's called Walmart.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:04 pm    Post subject:

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You're not going to stop drug traffic with police or the military, and you're not going to stop it by some naive attempt to eliminate the demand for drugs. The demand for drugs will never ever go away, it's apart of the human condition. The only thing you can do is make the use and distribution of drugs legal and regulated. Criminals will not be able to compete with the free market, it will wipe them out of existence. Anyone who thinks that the problems the legalization of drugs would cause are worse than the problems that the illegalization of drugs has caused is a moron.


You are absolutely correct. The problem resides in how to approach the legalization aspect. It's one thing to legalize marijuana. Society has actually seen the wisdom in that. The problem lies with things like Cocaine, Heroine and Meth.

That's a legalization issue that is much tougher than opening up Pot to general consumption.

It's getting easier to envision pot dispensaries turning in to pot stores. But no one envisions a Bed, Meth and Beyond franchise in the near future.


Sure, it's tough to imagine, but that's because it's just so different from what we're used to. People are afraid of this change because it would create a scenario that's so foreign to us. People are more comfortable with the problems the illegalization of drugs creates because a.) they're used to them, and b.) they're out of sight, out of mind. Prison population, overwrought legal system and law enforcement, gang and cartel violence, etc. These are things that for a lot of people, it doesn't directly affect them, people prefer the false sense of security that comes with politicians being "tough on crime" by ramping up law enforcement and giving out harsher sentences. That isn't the only reason why these changes aren't going to be made, it's also because there are domestic entities that profit from this system.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject:

I would have to say legalizing drugs would be the best way to go. A free market system is what we need and what Mexico needs. Not only would the massacres stop happening, but it will bring Mexico's economy up that US should see a decrease of illegal immigration. This is in hope that economy and lifestyle in Mexico is better.

That solves 50-60% of the problems in Mexico. Another problem is the power of the drug cartels. Since most of the world isn't a true free market society, they would want to control or at least part of the government. The difference is they have better weapons than the police and service people. So a power struggle and a regime that can force at will. A system run by any cartel would probably not be good for society and surrounding countries.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:10 am    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
You're not going to stop drug traffic with police or the military, and you're not going to stop it by some naive attempt to eliminate the demand for drugs. The demand for drugs will never ever go away, it's apart of the human condition. The only thing you can do is make the use and distribution of drugs legal and regulated. Criminals will not be able to compete with the free market, it will wipe them out of existence. Anyone who thinks that the problems the legalization of drugs would cause are worse than the problems that the illegalization of drugs has caused is a moron.


You are absolutely correct. The problem resides in how to approach the legalization aspect. It's one thing to legalize marijuana. Society has actually seen the wisdom in that. The problem lies with things like Cocaine, Heroine and Meth.

That's a legalization issue that is much tougher than opening up Pot to general consumption.

It's getting easier to envision pot dispensaries turning in to pot stores. But no one envisions a Bed, Meth and Beyond franchise in the near future.


You don't have to legalize the hard stuff, but it should be decriminalized. For a case study on how it works effectively, check out Portugal and their drug statistics prior to and after they decriminalized.
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