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AuraStar
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 Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:35 pm Post subject: Laker Grades? |
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Did someone post final grades for the Lakers?
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty easy. F- to all. Done.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Pretty easy. F- to all. Done. |
This |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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jodie had a good year. i still like farmar. if he was healthy, i think he would have had a great year. hopefully we can still keep him to play behind smart
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Marshall B+
Farmar B
Henry C+
Young A-
Meeks A-
Wes C
Pau C+
Hill B
Kelly B-
Kaman C+
Sacre D-
Too many absents
Kobe
Nash
Enrolled to late
Brooks C-
Bazemore C
Left before end of semester
Blake B |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Pretty easy. F- to all. Done. |
Based on production? no. Based on tanking? YES |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| lakeshow2422 wrote: | Marshall B+
Farmar B
Henry C+
Young A-
Meeks A-
Wes C
Pau C+
Hill B
Kelly B-
Kaman C+
Sacre D-
Too many absents
Kobe
Nash
Enrolled to late
Brooks C-
Bazemore C
Left before end of semester
Blake B |
Agreed.
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Marshall B (steady guard, needs much more experience, could play Andre Miller role with time)
Farmar B (spark-change of pace guard, too injured to reach potential)
Henry C (flashes of wing/2 guard player with a eurostep, injured too much)
Young B+ (gunner bench guy, did what was expected and some D at times)
Meeks A- (candidate for MIP due to offseason work and MDA style)
Wes B- (good off ball defender, still lot to learn on D and O)
Pau C (never could figure out himself on court and in head and was too injured)
Hill C (good in small spurts especially beginning of season, not in right situation)
Kelly B- (possible future bench rotation guy)
Kaman C (played inconsistent due to MDA, would play better under different coach/system)
Sacre C (played tough, isn't starter quality)
Kobe C- (for the 6 games played, didn't work way into usual Kobe play, INC overall)
Nash D+ (for the 13 games played, when signed expected quality starter level Nash, got Lemon version, INC overall)
Brooks D (not used by MDA enough to showcase)
Bazemore C (flashes of youth needed, too little sample though for my tastes)
Blake B+ (when healthy before trade)
Training staff D+ (amazing job they didn't get worst record in league with this snake bitten year, Vitti putting band-aids on a situation. Jimbo better be calling Alex McKechnie to get him back from Toronto and give him what he wants to make the healthy again)
MDA and staff D (not an F due to unforseen injuries, but could never get a proper system and defensive philosophy in place to take advantage of the players on team)
Jimbo/Mitch C--/D+ (not F due to a decent plan given the circumstances at the beginning of the season that went to hell really quick with injuries a quarter of the way in, etc.)
Bye.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Everyone F, Meeks a B. |
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Gary Vitti: Z-
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| Chronicle wrote: | | Gary Vitti: Z- |
lol +1 |
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Jodie was easily our best player this year.
Most consistently productive on both ends of the floor.
Our worst player has to be Wes Johnson. Underwhelming and inconsistent.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| lakeshow2422 wrote: | Marshall B+
Farmar B
Henry C+
Young A-
Meeks A-
Wes C
Pau C+
Hill B
Kelly B-
Kaman C+
Sacre D-
Too many absents
Kobe
Nash
Enrolled to late
Brooks C-
Bazemore C
Left before end of semester
Blake B |
Looks pretty good to me |
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So when people assign "grades," is it on a curve system? Meaning, there are A-players on the team, some F-players, most in the middle?
Are you comparing these players vis-a-vis other NBA players?
I say grade on a curve. If that's the system, only A player to me is Meeks.
B: Young, Farmar, Kelly.
Rest, all are C and below.
Kobe and Nash? People can say "incomplete" but I have to give them Fs.
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| lakeshow2422 wrote: | Marshall B+
Farmar B
Henry C+
Young A-
Meeks A-
Wes C
Pau C+
Hill B
Kelly B-
Kaman C+
Sacre D-
Too many absents
Kobe
Nash
Enrolled to late
Brooks C-
Bazemore C
Left before end of semester
Blake B |
I agree with this across the board. I think Blazemre could be a bit more enticing with a full season behind him. Brooks as well. I just didn't see enough of them to make a decision.
And Kobe will make everyone better so I am excited to see who we keep and who leaves this year. I think if Hill stayed healthy all year, he would be an A. He has injury problems which hampers him so much. But a full year of him with the team would make him one hell of a starter. That being said, with injuries, I think he is a great 6th man on a team. limit him on minutes and keep his ass at 100%
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Chronicle wrote: | | Gary Vitti: Z- |
Only grade that matters. Wish there were such a thing as negative letters. |
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| InstinctualGenius wrote: | Jodie was easily our best player this year.
Most consistently productive on both ends of the floor.
Our worst player has to be Wes Johnson. Underwhelming and inconsistent. |
lol I thought I was the only one that didn't like him. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Faceman wrote: | | lakeshow2422 wrote: | Marshall B+
Farmar B
Henry C+
Young A-
Meeks A-
Wes C
Pau C+
Hill B
Kelly B-
Kaman C+
Sacre D-
Too many absents
Kobe
Nash
Enrolled to late
Brooks C-
Bazemore C
Left before end of semester
Blake B |
Agreed. |
Do you realize that you have nine above average, one at average, and one below. The team was 27-55 (.329--the second worst of all time for a Lakers team in 65 years). This was not a B- overall team
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ribeye wrote: | | Faceman wrote: | | lakeshow2422 wrote: | Marshall B+
Farmar B
Henry C+
Young A-
Meeks A-
Wes C
Pau C+
Hill B
Kelly B-
Kaman C+
Sacre D-
Too many absents
Kobe
Nash
Enrolled to late
Brooks C-
Bazemore C
Left before end of semester
Blake B |
Agreed. |
Do you realize that you have nine above average, one at average, and one below. The team was 27-55 (.329--the second worst of all time for a Lakers team in 65 years). This was not a B- overall team |
yup. Agreed.
But I think they were grading within the context of a bell-curve within just the team. But yeah, not a true scientific grading but hey that's fine with me.
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The problem with grading the team is that there are so many injuries to throw off the straight grading.
If this was a plain crappy team that wasn't the second most injured of all time, then it would be easier to at least put everyone down at least one guy, the way I graded. Most of the ones I graded had the injury qualification and expectation when signed or when the season started.
Bye.
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| Chronicle wrote: | | Gary Vitti: Z- |
 True. They need to bring back Alex McKechnie, the X man. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ribeye wrote: | | Faceman wrote: | | lakeshow2422 wrote: | Marshall B+
Farmar B
Henry C+
Young A-
Meeks A-
Wes C
Pau C+
Hill B
Kelly B-
Kaman C+
Sacre D-
Too many absents
Kobe
Nash
Enrolled to late
Brooks C-
Bazemore C
Left before end of semester
Blake B |
Agreed. |
Do you realize that you have nine above average, one at average, and one below. The team was 27-55 (.329--the second worst of all time for a Lakers team in 65 years). This was not a B- overall team |
But what were you expecting before the season? |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Marshall B-
Farmar B-
Henry B-
Young A-
Meeks A
Wes C
Pau C+
Hill B
Kelly B
Kaman C+
Sacre D
Brooks D+
Bazemore B
Injured for most of year:
Kobe N/A
Nash C+
Traded:
Blake B+
I was impressed by Meeks and Henry. They gave us way more than we thought we would get from them. Kelly was a pleasant surprise. I think he'll be a solid rotation player. I wish Kaman and Hill had received more playing time. Pau was decent. Wes Johnson showed flashes, but needs to work on his jump shot. Marshon Brooks barely got a shot.
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| Romano338 wrote: |
But what were you expecting before the season? |
My expectation was qualified on the playing time of Kobe, Gasol and Nash: "If they play 170, I see about 38 victories. For every 10 games over, I will add another victory. For every 10 games under, I will subtract a victory." Based on the actual games played for the three, my prediction of games won would be 29, or very similar to the actual result.
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