While the whole anti-vaccine things is nutty, I think the coverage on this has been pretty funny too.
It's like there's an Ebola outbreak.
In 2000 562,000 people World Wide died from Measles, in 2012, that number was down to 122,000. The WHO estimates that during that time period alone, over 13 million Measles deaths were prevented by the vaccination. So, yeah, it's worthy of all the coverage, far more than Ebola.
Measles is not a joke or a benign disease.
You're making it more dramatic than it is.
We all grew up in times with measles.
It's not a joke of a disease, but it's not like it has a high mortality rate.
Don't get me wrong. It's great that it's so rare now that every outbreak is an anomaly.
But people are freaking out. I swear, the only thing more important going on in the world is probably the Patriots playing with under-inflated footballs.
Losing someone to a preventable disease is awful. Especially since the measles vaccine is given with two other vaccinations, that is 3 diseases we don't have to worry about in one. It just shouldn't happen. Infecting other people with preventable disease is awful too. Herd immunity could be protecting our children and elderly.
There isn't a good enough scientific reason to not get a vaccination, the belief is based in conjecture or some preconceived notion. That does not trump the safety of others.
Sorry, I just can't reconcile your claim that "it's not like it has a high mortality rate" and being sanguine about nearly 146,000 deaths just two years ago.
Especially when the vaccine IS our defense against outbreaks, epidemics and even pandemics, and the current anti-vax craze is targeting that very defense. Even if you ARE sanguine about 146,000 deaths (because they happened somewhere else, or something), keep in mind that if compliance rates are further eroded, the result will be increased morbidity and mortality.
I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.
It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.
And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
Federal health officials are warning that measles — a highly-contagious respiratory infection that the U.S. virtually eradicated back in 2000 — is making a serious comeback. This year is on track to have the highest number of measles cases in the past 17 years, and Centers for Disease Control (CDC) researchers say that’s likely because of pervasive anti-vaccine beliefs that have allowed the disease to spread.
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I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.
It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.
And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:13 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
You can thank all those people that didn't immunize their kids because they listened to people like Jenny Mccarthy.
You should see them when they come into the ER. As part of the standard history taking, I ask "Are your child's immunizations up to date?"
These buffoons are just waiting for that question. I swear to God, their child could be dying of an acute asthma exacerbation or overwhelming sepsis, yet the minute THAT question is asked, their child doesn't matter, only the opportunity to "get into it" with someone in the "Medical Establishment."
They tilt up their heads, puff out their chests, change their tone and say with an insolence bordering on Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas." "No."
They never say "We don't believe in them." That would rob them of the chance to answer the question "Well, why not?" with "We don't believe in them and the medical establishment blah, blah, blah......"
(bleep) and their children benefit from herd immunity, yet they don't want to participate because they and that (bleep) Jenny McCarthy know more than the entirety of the medical community on this matter. Makes me want to transport them back to the days before we did have vaccinations, maybe see half of their children die of these entirely preventable diseases. Instead, they live amongst us and expose the young, sick, elderly, immunocompromised and pregnant patients to diseases that cost real human lives.
(bleep) (bleep).
Come on KBCB. . . if a fully learned and accredited physician advises you immunize your child, how are you supposed to go with that advice when there's a semi-porn star/"actress" and a dozen of your fellow stay at home moms who hold BA's in Husband Finding telling you your child will get a brain disorder from a simple vaccine?
I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.
It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.
And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.
I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.
It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.
And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.
Oh come on...
"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?
Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.
I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.
It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.
And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.
Oh come on...
"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?
Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.
Not exactly very common for measles.
You're taking an exception and applying it as a rule in order to make things seem worse than they are.
But heck, if that's what you want to do...
I'm not saying that the measles outbreak isn't an issue. I'm saying the magnitude of the problem is overblown.
I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.
It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.
And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.
Oh come on...
"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?
Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.
Not exactly very common for measles.
You're taking an exception and applying it as a rule in order to make things seem worse than they are.
But heck, if that's what you want to do...
I'm not saying that the measles outbreak isn't an issue. I'm saying the magnitude of the problem is overblown.
The flu is a much bigger problem right now.
Now you're just trying to use special pleading and goalpost shifting to wiggle out of anything.
We talk about death rates, and and you shift to "here," saying world-wide is changing the subject.
It's pointed out that there are "intensely negative effects" other than death, and you challenge THAT phrase (as though there are no intensely negative effects from measles).
So I point out just one example of an intensely negative effect to show that such effects DO exist, and you squirm out of that one too, saying it's not common, and oh yeah, let's redirect toward the flu.
If we keep this up, I'm sure you'll argue with me about what "dead" means.
A few adverse affects I'd call serious but not death threatening.
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What Are Measles, Mumps, and Rubella?
Measles, mumps, and rubella are viral diseases. All can be very serious.
Measles starts as a fever, cough, runny nose, conjunctivitis (pinkeye), and a red, pinpoint rash that starts on the face and spreads to the rest of the body. If the virus infects the lungs, it can cause pneumonia.Measles in older children can lead to inflammation of the brain, called encephalitis, which can cause seizures and brain damage.
The mumps virus usually causes swelling in glands just below the ears, giving the appearance of chipmunk cheeks. Before the vaccine, mumps was the most common cause of both meningitis (inflammation of the lining of the brain and spinal cord) and acquired deafness in the U.S. In men, mumps can infect the testicles, which can lead to infertility.
Rubella is also known as German measles. It can cause a mild rash on the face, swelling of glands behind the ears, and in some cases, swelling of the small joints and low-grade fever. Most children recover quickly with no lasting effects. But if a pregnant woman gets rubella, it can be devastating. If she's infected during the first trimester of pregnancy, there's at least a 20% chance her child will have a birth defect such as blindness, deafness, a heart defect, or mental retardation.
_________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.
It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.
And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.
Oh come on...
"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?
Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.
Not exactly very common for measles.
You're taking an exception and applying it as a rule in order to make things seem worse than they are.
But heck, if that's what you want to do...
I'm not saying that the measles outbreak isn't an issue. I'm saying the magnitude of the problem is overblown.
The flu is a much bigger problem right now.
Now you're just trying to use special pleading and goalpost shifting to wiggle out of anything.
We talk about death rates, and and you shift to "here," saying world-wide is changing the subject.
No. You guys brought up worldwide when the topic was already about HERE. The topic isn't about a measles outbreak around the world.
I'm not moving goalposts. You're just attempting to bring worldwide into it in order to justify the amount of panic going on.
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It's pointed out that there are "intensely negative effects" other than death, and you challenge THAT phrase (as though there are no intensely negative effects from measles).
So I point out just one example of an intensely negative effect to show that such effects DO exist, and you squirm out of that one too, saying it's not common, and oh yeah, let's redirect toward the flu.
I'm not saying there are no intensely negative effects possible. But I do think the amount of panic and paranoia going on right now is not in proportion to the actual problem out there.
I merely brought up the flu because right now it's a bigger problem.
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If we keep this up, I'm sure you'll argue with me about what "dead" means.
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:48 pm Post subject:
LarryCoon wrote:
Reflexx wrote:
thedude1977 wrote:
Reflexx wrote:
Still over dramatic about what's going on here.
I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm damn happy we have vaccines. And the fact that most children here are vaccinated is why this story is overblown.
It's not a non-story, but it really isn't a huge deal here.
And the fact that I recognize that a few cases here isn't a big deal has nothing to do with worldwide deaths. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
You don't have to die from a disease for the disease to have an intensely negative effect on your life, or the lives of your loved ones.
Oh come on...
"intensely negative effect on your life"? Really?
Well, just to name one common effect, I'd start with blindness. Do you die from blindness? No. Dies it have an intensely negative effect on your life? I guess you'd say no to that one, too.
And 1 in 1000 do die from measles. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
I remember seeing a chart of Californian's belief in not getting vaccinations from the year 2000 to this year, and I have to say these people are basically putting everyone else in danger....guess there will be an outbreak to reduce the herd again.
Just saw a debate on CNN, the basis of the anti-vaxxer's argument was basically one of two things:
1) You can't believe what the CDC tells you
2) Diseases come and go in waves (i.e. the recent measles outbreak and decrease in vaccination rates are simply coincidental)
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