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nomoreshaq Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:08 pm Post subject: what players are "no brainers" in your top 10? |
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jordan (6 rings, highest PPG ever, stats and accolades galore)
magic (5 rings, best PG ever, greatest team leader ever)
kareem (6 rings, career leader in points period, unstoppable shot)
wilt (2 rings, best stats ever, most dominant period)
bird (3 rings, best shooter, ultimate competitor)
kobe (5 rings, longevity, 2nd best SG ever, most insane competitor ever)
duncan (5 rings, longevity, hands down best PF ever)
russell (a champions champion, 11 rings (?)) |
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moonriver24 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well, heavily guarded (double triple zone team box n 1 defenses] top 10 still winning deserving rings goes to Shag n Kobe. Hands down. _________________ Kobe's Top 5 Dunks, 81 points, MJ last gm @Staples |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: what players are "no brainers" in your top 10? |
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nomoreshaq wrote: | jordan (6 rings, highest PPG ever, stats and accolades galore)
magic (5 rings, best PG ever, greatest team leader ever)
kareem (6 rings, career leader in points period, unstoppable shot)
wilt (2 rings, best stats ever, most dominant period)
bird (3 rings, best shooter, ultimate competitor)
kobe (5 rings, longevity, 2nd best SG ever, most insane competitor ever)
duncan (5 rings, longevity, hands down best PF ever)
russell (a champions champion, 11 rings (?)) |
Those 8 guys and Shaq are virtually on everyone's top 10 list.
The 10th guy is generally either Hakeem or Lebron. Oscar used to be on the list, but he seems to have dropped off it.
The question really isn't who the top 10 are, since there isn't much disagreement about that; it's the exact ordering of the top 10 |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Kobe, Duncan, Russell, Bird, Shaq, Erving. _________________ http://media.giphy.com/media/zNyBPu5hEFpu/giphy.gif
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Drifts Retired Number
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I'd say Ronnie Price... Jordan might make the cut, but I'm debating between him and Russell. hmmmm... _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:14 am Post subject: |
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1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. KAJ
4. Wilt
5. Kobe
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. Hakeem
10. Lebron
I tend to leave out Russell, mainly because the clips I've seen him play don't impress me, nor do his gaudy ring count in a league with 9 teams and the fact he's a center who shot 45% FG. |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:22 am Post subject: |
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I'd put Kobe, Kareem and Magic as 1A 1B and 1C but since Magic said Kobe is the greatest I'll put Kobe ahead of him
1 Kobe/Kareem
3 Magic
4 Baylor
5 Bird
6 Shaq/Wilt
8 Jordan
9 and 10 are too hard. Pippen and Hakeem probably _________________ Kobe |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Anybody know why Wilt's scoring average dropped so much during the playoffs compared to the regular season? How come no one else in the all-time top ten had their stats drop like that in the postseason? _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:56 am Post subject: |
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No brainers: Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, and Bird, plus Russell has to be in there somewhere. Beyond that, there just aren't enough slots for all of the candidates, so no one is a no-brainer. Hakeem, Snaq, Duncan, Lebron, and Kobe -- five players for four chairs. Other people would consider Oscar, West, Dr. J, Moses, and Mikan, but I don't think any of those picks would withstand serious scrutiny. Still, if someone wants to stick Oscar or Jerry in their top 10, it's not an outrageous pick. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:03 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | Anybody know why Wilt's scoring average dropped so much during the playoffs compared to the regular season? How come no one else in the all-time top ten had their stats drop like that in the postseason? |
Wilt was a showman. In his big scoring years, he played for some awful teams. When he averaged 50 ppg, he had Maravich-esque shooting numbers (40 FGA per game!). He was trying to average 50 points. It didn't just happen by coincidence. When the playoffs arrived, it was time to play a little more seriously. The defense got more serious, too.
Some of the Wilt fans will bristle at that, but everyone else knows that it's true. |
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doughboy90650 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Jordan
Johnson
Jabber
Russell
Chamberlain
Duncan
O'Neal
Bryant
Olajuwon
Bird
Robertson
On most lists, those are the 11 names that are usually mentioned (in no particularly order) Someone always gets left out usually Big O or Hakeem. With James creeping, you could see both at 11 and 12. |
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bryants2hot2handle Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Kobe
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Wilt
9. Russell
10. Pippen or Olajuwon |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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bryants2hot2handle wrote: | 1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Kobe
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Wilt
9. Russell
10. Pippen or Olajuwon |
If you have a 10a and a 10b, they aren't "no brainers"
If I am going with "no-brainers", my list isn't going to be 10 long, I think once you get 5 and 6 you start to get into the area where you have to make an argument for their inclusion, thus not "no brainers"
The no brainers as I see, and in no order:
Jordan
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Wilt
Shaq
Russel
KAJ
Duncan
Robertson . . .
. . . (bleep), now that I think about it, there are more "no brainers" than there are spots. |
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Theseus Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Jordan
Kareem
Hakeem
Magic
Kobe
O'neal
Bird
Duncan
Lebron
Wilt |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: what players are "no brainers" in your top 10? |
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activeverb wrote: | nomoreshaq wrote: | jordan (6 rings, highest PPG ever, stats and accolades galore)
magic (5 rings, best PG ever, greatest team leader ever)
kareem (6 rings, career leader in points period, unstoppable shot)
wilt (2 rings, best stats ever, most dominant period)
bird (3 rings, best shooter, ultimate competitor)
kobe (5 rings, longevity, 2nd best SG ever, most insane competitor ever)
duncan (5 rings, longevity, hands down best PF ever)
russell (a champions champion, 11 rings (?)) |
Those 8 guys and Shaq are virtually on everyone's top 10 list.
The 10th guy is generally either Hakeem or Lebron. Oscar used to be on the list, but he seems to have dropped off it.
The question really isn't who the top 10 are, since there isn't much disagreement about that; it's the exact ordering of the top 10 |
Sounds about right, though Hakeem is 11 on my list and LeBron is way up the list at 6 or so. He's pushing hard for the 5 spot.
Some days I like Wilt over Russell and some days I like Duncan over Shaq and some days I like Bird over Kobe--and, of course, vise versa.
When you look as the Big O's post season drop off, you can see why many don't put him in the top ten--or at least why I don't. I put West ahead of him and this I never waver on. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Drifts wrote: | I'd say Ronnie Price... Jordan might make the cut, but I'm debating between him and Russell. hmmmm... |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Is David Robinson a top 20 player? |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | Is David Robinson a top 20 player? |
Yes! I have him somewhere around 15. He was a stud on both ends. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Shlumpledink wrote: | Jordan
Kareem
Hakeem
Magic
Kobe
O'neal
Bird
Duncan
Lebron
Wilt |
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SuperboyReformed Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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i basically agree with all the names here except for lebron. anywhere you see the name lebron, substitute pippen and i'm good. |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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ribeye wrote: | vanexelent wrote: | Is David Robinson a top 20 player? |
Yes! I have him somewhere around 15. He was a stud on both ends. |
I agree. His prime wasn't too long, but his peak stats are unbelievable, especially his 93' season: 29.9 PPG/ 10.7 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 3.3 Blocks/ 1.7 Steals |
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PurpleAndGOAT Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Jordan
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Kareem
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Lebron
Hakeem _________________ Lake Show |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | Jordan
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Kareem
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Lebron
Hakeem |
Bird over Kareem? |
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SuperboyReformed Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | Jordan
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Kareem
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Lebron
Hakeem |
Bird over Kareem? |
no way. kareem is the only one in that list you can place above jordan for the #1 slot, and you'd have a case for it. Kobe, too, but that's just me. |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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SuperboyReformed wrote: | vanexelent wrote: | PurpleAndGOAT wrote: | Jordan
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Kareem
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Lebron
Hakeem |
Bird over Kareem? |
no way. kareem is the only one in that list you can place above jordan for the #1 slot, and you'd have a case for it. Kobe, too, but that's just me. |
Kareem yes. Kobe no. Most skilled player, sure. But not career, total package wise. |
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