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| ainsley wrote: | He's more of a natural player than Wiggins IMO.
Wiggins strikes me as a great athlete who just learned the game. |
Agreed. Wiggins was always underwhelming at Kansas, really don't think Self does a great job of developing players from the college ranks. I mean, when was the last time a Kansas player had significant amount of success coming out of there? I think you'd have to go back to Paul Pierce. In terms of play, Simmons dominated the college ranks, Wiggins didn't. |
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| Karmaloop wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | If Simmons had a jumpshot he would be the best prospect since Lebron imo. He doesn't have one and still one of the top 5 - 10 prospects to enter the draft since Lebron. |
Is it a lack of a jumpshot, or a reluctance to use it? To me, I've watched a little bit of Simmons jump shot and it's not ugly by any means. To me, you're seeing a guy who knows there aren't very many big guys in college who are capable of defending him off the dribble, and those that can move laterally generally tend to not be able to bully him off the block. If that's the case, that's high basketball IQ. He doesn't have poor mechanics IMO. |
Super wishful thinking bro. It's a complete lack. He airballs a lot. Shoots on the way down |
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| lkjhf wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | If Simmons had a jumpshot he would be the best prospect since Lebron imo. He doesn't have one and still one of the top 5 - 10 prospects to enter the draft since Lebron. |
He reminds me a lot of Wiggins. |
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Good athlete, questions regarding aggressiveness.
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LakerLuke
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If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
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| LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
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The reason I could see the Lakers doing that is because it would be the right move to make. No vet is going to come here because we have an underachiever like Simmons. If we have Paul George and cap space, players will be interested.
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LakerLuke
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The reason I could see the Lakers doing that is because it would be the right move to make. No vet is going to come here because we have an underachiever like Simmons. If we have Paul George and cap space, players will be interested. |
No vet alone is going to put us over the top, even with Paul George. Furthermore, it makes no sense to add a vet whose best years won't coincide with our current core. On top of all that, you give up a young stud like Simmons. Terrible deal. |
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| LakerLuke wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
Getting Paul George for an unproven rookie is a bad deal for the Pacers not us. FYI, I'm one of the biggest Simmon supporters on here. You're fighting a losing battle right now. |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
Getting Paul George for an unproven rookie is a bad deal for the Pacers not us. FYI, I'm one of the biggest Simmon supporters on here. You're fighting a losing battle right now. |
Simmons is no ordinary rookie/prospect, and you're being disingenuous by saying "unproven rookie". The only loser will be the Lakers for making this deal. |
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| LakerLuke wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
Simmons doesn't have a higher ceiling than Paul George.
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| LakerLuke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The reason I could see the Lakers doing that is because it would be the right move to make. No vet is going to come here because we have an underachiever like Simmons. If we have Paul George and cap space, players will be interested. |
No vet alone is going to put us over the top, even with Paul George. Furthermore, it makes no sense to add a vet whose best years won't coincide with our current core. On top of all that, you give up a young stud like Simmons. Terrible deal. |
That is why you make the trade, you get George and he attracts other vets. But if you want to suck forever you can go with that.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
Simmons doesn't have a higher ceiling than Paul George. |
You're either overrating George or underrating Simmons. |
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Simmons screams possible generational talent to me if the coaching and player development personnel are there. I think Luke (as opposed to Byron) can get him there sooner rather than later.
That being said, I'll defer to Ryan West's (and his father's) judgement on this. I don't need to remind everyone that Russell got the Jerry West seal of approval. |
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| LakerLuke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
Simmons doesn't have a higher ceiling than Paul George. |
You're either overrating George or underrating Simmons. |
Or vice versa.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The reason I could see the Lakers doing that is because it would be the right move to make. No vet is going to come here because we have an underachiever like Simmons. If we have Paul George and cap space, players will be interested. |
No vet alone is going to put us over the top, even with Paul George. Furthermore, it makes no sense to add a vet whose best years won't coincide with our current core. On top of all that, you give up a young stud like Simmons. Terrible deal. |
That is why you make the trade, you get George and he attracts other vets. But if you want to suck forever you can go with that. |
"Suck forever". Hyperbole much? You really think a core of Simmons/Randle/Russell/Clarkson + who knows is going to "suck forever"? You can't wait 1-2 more years for a better player to fulfill his potential? Thank you instant gratification generation. |
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| Mindripper2000 wrote: | Simmons screams possible generational talent to me if the coaching and player development personnel are there. I think Luke (as opposed to Byron) can get him there sooner rather than later.
That being said, I'll defer to Ryan West's (and his father's) judgement on this. I don't need to remind everyone that Russell got the Jerry West seal of approval. |
Ryan West lol. Talk about overrating, you guys now overrate front office personnel.
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Simmons screams possible generational talent to me if the coaching and player development personnel are there. I think Luke (as opposed to Byron) can get him there sooner rather than later.
That being said, I'll defer to Ryan West's (and his father's) judgement on this. I don't need to remind everyone that Russell got the Jerry West seal of approval. |
Ryan West lol. Talk about overrating, you guys now overrate front office personnel. |
I think their drafting has been anything but overrated. |
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| Mindripper2000 wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Simmons screams possible generational talent to me if the coaching and player development personnel are there. I think Luke (as opposed to Byron) can get him there sooner rather than later.
That being said, I'll defer to Ryan West's (and his father's) judgement on this. I don't need to remind everyone that Russell got the Jerry West seal of approval. |
Ryan West lol. Talk about overrating, you guys now overrate front office personnel. |
I think their drafting has been anything but overrated. |
That's yet to be determined. Now that the Lakers have a decent coach, we'll see how good Russell and the rest of the cast are.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The reason I could see the Lakers doing that is because it would be the right move to make. No vet is going to come here because we have an underachiever like Simmons. If we have Paul George and cap space, players will be interested. |
No vet alone is going to put us over the top, even with Paul George. Furthermore, it makes no sense to add a vet whose best years won't coincide with our current core. On top of all that, you give up a young stud like Simmons. Terrible deal. |
That is why you make the trade, you get George and he attracts other vets. But if you want to suck forever you can go with that. |
I'm all for getting PG13, especially if he can draw in other vets.
It also depends on what is left of the remaining roster. Otherwise, it puts the Lakers at a clear advantage if they have multiple rookie scale contracts that are putting production on the floor.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
Simmons doesn't have a higher ceiling than Paul George. |
You're either overrating George or underrating Simmons. |
Or vice versa. |
Paul George is only 26. If Russ developed, then that would be your transition from one star to the other that way.
It will depend on what they see in workouts obviously, if they see generational star, they won't trade him. |
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| LakerLuke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
Simmons doesn't have a higher ceiling than Paul George. |
You're either overrating George or underrating Simmons. |
or you're over rating Simmons. He's not generational
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | If Simmons is our pick, no way I trade him for Paul George. Simmons has a chance to be a once in a generation player. Paul George, while an excellent player, is nowhere near that. The lack of patience by some is amazing.
And the only reason I can see Jimmy doing this is because he stupidly imposed a deadline on himself and went public with it. |
Paul George is a top 10 possibly top 5 player in the NBA. Simmons could get there but if you can trade them straight up, you take George IMMEDIATELY |
No you don't. You keep the younger player with the higher ceiling. Especially when the rest of your core is 23 and under. Fans so badly want the losing to end RIGHT NOW that they're willing to take a bad deal. It's ridiculous. This isn't a case where we have Kobe in his prime and need to win before the window is closed. As it stands, we have all the time as our current core has and we can afford to let our players grow. |
Simmons doesn't have a higher ceiling than Paul George. |
You're either overrating George or underrating Simmons. |
or you're over rating Simmons. He's not generational |
You'll have to define to me what you think as generational then. Because 6'10 athletic freaks that can handle like a point guard and play all 5 positions, and hold his own at 18 years old in private workouts against guys like Anthony Davis and James Harden, don't come along every day. |
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