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 Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 3:39 pm Post subject: Lakers Offseason Outlook |
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We are at a crossroads but the Lakers are finally trending upward.
Here's a look at possibilities that the off-season may bring.
Offseason Outlook: Los Angeles Lakers
| Quote: | | The Lakers are coming off a 17-65 season, the worst in their 68-year history. After being one of the league’s elite teams for decades, L.A. has strung together three consecutive last-place finishes. With a fan base and a front office that is used to winning, there is a lot of pressure throughout the organization for an immediate turnaround. |
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/05/offseason-outlook-los-angeles-lakers-3.html |
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al242
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Nothing to disagree with. Do not get emotional, we are a 17 win team... Dude we freaking suck, really really bad |
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Imo with Ingram I think our core is as good as Minnesota. Not sure why they are so high and we are #29
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| al242 wrote: |
Nothing to disagree with. Do not get emotional, we are a 17 win team... Dude we freaking suck, really really bad |
Because of Byron and because Kobe was a shell of himself.
Now we have a great, promising young core.
Having us basically last is idiotic, but this is ESPN aka Lakers Hating Network.
We could have prime Shaq and Kobe again and we still wouldn't get respect from those chumps.
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These are just a joke:
Management
12. Houston
18. Charlotte
20. Philadelphia
26. Brooklyn
27. L.A. Lakers |
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lakerhaterhater
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| 15 wrote: | | Imo with Ingram I think our core is as good as Minnesota. Not sure why they are so high and we are #29 |
Maybe not quite as good yet...even with Ingram. Minny have 2 players who have a good chance of making All Star next year....we're not quite there. |
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Offseason Outlook |
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| pio2u wrote: | We are at a crossroads but the Lakers are finally trending upward.
Here's a look at possibilities that the off-season may bring.
Offseason Outlook: Los Angeles Lakers
| Quote: | | The Lakers are coming off a 17-65 season, the worst in their 68-year history. After being one of the league’s elite teams for decades, L.A. has strung together three consecutive last-place finishes. With a fan base and a front office that is used to winning, there is a lot of pressure throughout the organization for an immediate turnaround. |
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/05/offseason-outlook-los-angeles-lakers-3.html |
In our division; not in our conference and not in the league. By that metric six teams in the league finish last each year.
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| lewis wrote: | These are just a joke:
Management
12. Houston
18. Charlotte
20. Philadelphia
26. Brooklyn
27. L.A. Lakers |
Wow. They are laying it on thick with that particular rating.
At least the Lakers have a positive upside going on with Luke and drafting.
Can't say that for these others.
Brooklyn owes a million draft picks to Boston, that alone was disaster. And they will suck well into the future based on management.
Philly is Philly and they barely have a glimmer of hope with the #1 and no Hinkie. But who really thinks they will do better than last year?
Houston is a Harden away from a complete rebuild. For a team that almost went to the finals a year ago?
Bad, real bad.
Bye.
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| Guess they penalize F.O. for failing to sign star FA in the past 3 years (including Pau and Dwight that left). I for one thought they did what they had to do in getting Dwight and Nash, one last run for Kobe/Pau team. Nobody predicted Nash breaking down, Dwight feeling broken down and Kobe got broken. I mean that was a mountain to get out from (3 starters). Even with the draft picks traded for those players, we still came up with gems and capspace. 27 out of 30 teams, let's see if we'll finally get a break and sign a star FA... or 2 |
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| Lakers2015 wrote: | | al242 wrote: |
Nothing to disagree with. Do not get emotional, we are a 17 win team... Dude we freaking suck, really really bad |
Because of Byron and because Kobe was a shell of himself.
Now we have a great, promising young core.
Having us basically last is idiotic, but this is ESPN aka Lakers Hating Network.
We could have prime Shaq and Kobe again and we still wouldn't get respect from those chumps. |
We have nothing but hopes and desire. Im not going to peg our core up a level for something they have yet to show on a consistent basis, as of right now its all potential. Heck they consistently sucked last year as we were a 17 win team, I think its so funny that people always see ESPN as haters. They were considered haters last year too when they projected us to be the 2nd worst team in the west, we were actually the last. |
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| 15 wrote: | | Imo with Ingram I think our core is as good as Minnesota. Not sure why they are so high and we are #29 |
Do you realize we actually do not have Ingram yet? |
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| al242 wrote: | | Lakers2015 wrote: | | al242 wrote: |
Nothing to disagree with. Do not get emotional, we are a 17 win team... Dude we freaking suck, really really bad |
Because of Byron and because Kobe was a shell of himself.
Now we have a great, promising young core.
Having us basically last is idiotic, but this is ESPN aka Lakers Hating Network.
We could have prime Shaq and Kobe again and we still wouldn't get respect from those chumps. |
We have nothing but hopes and desire. Im not going to peg our core up a level for something they have yet to show on a consistent basis, as of right now its all potential. Heck they consistently sucked last year as we were a 17 win team, I think its so funny that people always see ESPN as haters. They were considered haters last year too when they projected us to be the 2nd worst team in the west, we were actually the last. |
That was actually a masterful tanking job. Very stealthy, hiding behind Kobe's farewell tour, no updated offensive sets, no defensive sets at all |
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| gumby wrote: | | lewis wrote: | These are just a joke:
Management
12. Houston
18. Charlotte
20. Philadelphia
26. Brooklyn
27. L.A. Lakers |
Wow. They are laying it on thick with that particular rating.
At least the Lakers have a positive upside going on with Luke and drafting.
Can't say that for these others.
Brooklyn owes a million draft picks to Boston, that alone was disaster. And they will suck well into the future based on management.
Philly is Philly and they barely have a glimmer of hope with the #1 and no Hinkie. But who really thinks they will do better than last year?
Houston is a Harden away from a complete rebuild. For a team that almost went to the finals a year ago?
Bad, real bad.
Bye. |
Drafting? Im sorry have we drafted any players that have turned into allstars...Towns was ROY, Russell was 9th in the ROY race. We are not in Minnesota's class right now. Also Walton has not proved anything yet, he could be a complete bust, I don't like to congratulate management on the unknowns and neither should you. |
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| al242 wrote: | | 15 wrote: | | Imo with Ingram I think our core is as good as Minnesota. Not sure why they are so high and we are #29 |
Do you realize we actually do not have Ingram yet? |
Ingram, simmons, Randle, Clarkson, Dlo... unfortunately they all way behind Towns in potential or actual current impact |
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Well let's be real here. We all know how absolutely terrible Byron was as a coach
How much of an effect it will have on the rookies for the next few years to come cannot be stated. There were reports on Kyrie Irving that it took years to forget the bad habits he picked up under Byron
Our FO did not fire Byron for two whole years. They hired him in the first place
That is ineptitude that warrants a low ranking
ESPN is still (bleep) though. But some people in this thread think we have a great FO. That great FO is the FO that hired and kept Byron for 2 years
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| governator wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | 15 wrote: | | Imo with Ingram I think our core is as good as Minnesota. Not sure why they are so high and we are #29 |
Do you realize we actually do not have Ingram yet? |
Ingram, simmons, Randle, Clarkson, Dlo... unfortunately they all way behind Towns in potential or actual current impact |
Twolves have Towns, Wiggins, Lavine, Shabazz, Rubio and the #5
We have Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, and the #2
I think they got us beat.
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| Chronicle wrote: | Well let's be real here. We all know how absolutely terrible Byron was as a coach
How much of an effect it will have on the rookies for the next few years to come cannot be stated. There were reports on Kyrie Irving that it took years to forget the bad habits he picked up under Byron
Our FO did not fire Byron for two whole years. They hired him in the first place
That is ineptitude that warrants a low ranking
ESPN is still (bleep) though. But some people in this thread think we have a great FO. That great FO is the FO that hired and kept Byron for 2 years |
I consider us to have the 2nd worst front office (this ties to us having the second worst record in the league) until our record reflects otherwise. People like to bash franchises like the Kings, but their inept front office has actually produced a better product than our inept 2.0 front office. |
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| I would trade our entire core for KAT alone. |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | I would trade our entire core for KAT alone. |
Well, thank goodness you aren't a GM.
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| RI Laker wrote: | | I would trade our entire core for KAT alone. |
That's a very bad joke |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | I would trade our entire core for KAT alone. |
Not the entire core, but something like Dlo, Randle and Brown in a heart bit.
KAT >>>>>>>>>> Dlo
AW > Randle
LaVine ~ JC but maybe with > upside
They are way ahead in prospects, but we have money and the best city. |
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| al242 wrote: | | gumby wrote: | | lewis wrote: | These are just a joke:
Management
12. Houston
18. Charlotte
20. Philadelphia
26. Brooklyn
27. L.A. Lakers |
Wow. They are laying it on thick with that particular rating.
At least the Lakers have a positive upside going on with Luke and drafting.
Can't say that for these others.
Brooklyn owes a million draft picks to Boston, that alone was disaster. And they will suck well into the future based on management.
Philly is Philly and they barely have a glimmer of hope with the #1 and no Hinkie. But who really thinks they will do better than last year?
Houston is a Harden away from a complete rebuild. For a team that almost went to the finals a year ago?
Bad, real bad.
Bye. |
Drafting? Im sorry have we drafted any players that have turned into allstars...Towns was ROY, Russell was 9th in the ROY race. We are not in Minnesota's class right now. Also Walton has not proved anything yet, he could be a complete bust, I don't like to congratulate management on the unknowns and neither should you. |
Russell showed a lot of potential and will be an all star eventually IMO even though he isn't there yet (neither is any other rookie). Nance looks to be a great pick in the late first. Clarkson was first team all rookie as a second rounder and Randke averaged a double double his rookie year and also has all star potential although I have less faith in him then Russell. We have drafted very well recently.
Yes Walton may be a complete bust but he was one of the top two coaches on the market this offseason so I think that deserves some credit. We have been terrible recently but are trending upwards. I think the FO deserves some credit for that. Good drafting and a great coaching hire is commendable even though they got us in the situation in the first place. |
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Kobe didn't win ROY. Must be a bust.
Time to trade Russell for Michael Carter-Williams.
Do it Mitch! |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | gumby wrote: | | lewis wrote: | These are just a joke:
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12. Houston
18. Charlotte
20. Philadelphia
26. Brooklyn
27. L.A. Lakers |
Wow. They are laying it on thick with that particular rating.
At least the Lakers have a positive upside going on with Luke and drafting.
Can't say that for these others.
Brooklyn owes a million draft picks to Boston, that alone was disaster. And they will suck well into the future based on management.
Philly is Philly and they barely have a glimmer of hope with the #1 and no Hinkie. But who really thinks they will do better than last year?
Houston is a Harden away from a complete rebuild. For a team that almost went to the finals a year ago?
Bad, real bad.
Bye. |
Drafting? Im sorry have we drafted any players that have turned into allstars...Towns was ROY, Russell was 9th in the ROY race. We are not in Minnesota's class right now. Also Walton has not proved anything yet, he could be a complete bust, I don't like to congratulate management on the unknowns and neither should you. |
Russell showed a lot of potential and will be an all star eventually IMO even though he isn't there yet (neither is any other rookie). Nance looks to be a great pick in the late first. Clarkson was first team all rookie as a second rounder and Randke averaged a double double his rookie year and also has all star potential although I have less faith in him then Russell. We have drafted very well recently.
Yes Walton may be a complete bust but he was one of the top two coaches on the market this offseason so I think that deserves some credit. We have been terrible recently but are trending upwards. I think the FO deserves some credit for that. Good drafting and a great coaching hire is commendable even though they got us in the situation in the first place. |
How have we trended upwards? I expect us to suck next year, I am not placing any more optimism in our incompetent front office to get anything done. Not setting myself up for disappointment is my outlook for 2016-2017, also the 8 other rookies ahead of Russell in the ROY voting also showed promise, so the odds of him becoming an allstar on that narrative alone seem slim. |
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