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Yong Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Salivating at the thought of Tatum and Josh Jackson |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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25 games would be a 7 game improvement. Not too shabby. We finally have a coach most people seem to like, we have a young core that looks promising. Let's not put too high of expectations on these guys. High hopes, absolutely, but high expectations for a 17 win team are likely to lead to a bad outcome. If we win 28 games it is because we improved, we made solid strides during the season, and because things are looking up. It is not because Luke Walton failed, d-lo and Clarkson underachieved and because player X, Y, Z needs to go. I would satisfied with 28 games and anything more is gravy. 25 would be close enough. But who knows, maybe Luke can make some magic happen. |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | 30 wins would be a solid season |
30 wins + 2nd worst would be the best case scenario |
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frenchbullcho Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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HOF Rookie wrote: | Scoffs wrote: | We have a chance to beat Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, and Sacramento. We're just slightly behind Memphis, Utah, and Minnesota. |
I think we are well behind Memphis and Utah.
Utah barely missed the playoffs, and Memphis is a veteran team with Conley, Marc, parsons, Randolph, Allen, etc
I love our young talent but teams as young as we are typically struggle. |
Totally agree, Utah is really really solid. Hood improved big time with the injuries to Burkes and Exum. add those 2 in that were hurt last year, they will definitely be better. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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The only teams in the West we will be competing with are the Suns, Nuggets, and possibly Kings.
Denver
Jokic/Nurkic
Faried/Chandler
Gallo/W.Barton
G.Harris/J.Murrary
Mudiay/Nelson
*Will be getting back a healty Gallo and Chandler+improvement from young guys
Suns
Len/Chandler
Warren/Bender
Dudley/Tucker
Booker/Knight
Bledsoe/Ulis
*Will be getting back a healthy Bledsoe and Knight (and Warren)+improvement from young guys
Kings
WCS/Koufos
Cousins/Casspi
Gay/Barnes
Affalo/McLemore
Collison/Temple
*Cousins is still the best player out of the teams on the bottom
Unlike pass years, I dont think many, if any teams will be going into the season with the idea of tanking. There isnt much parity at the top of the league but there is at the bottom _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | The only teams in the West we will be competing with are the Suns, Nuggets, and possibly Kings.
Denver
Jokic/Nurkic
Faried/Chandler
Gallo/W.Barton
G.Harris/J.Murrary
Mudiay/Nelson
*Will be getting back a healty Gallo and Chandler+improvement from young guys
Suns
Len/Chandler
Warren/Bender
Dudley/Tucker
Booker/Knight
Bledsoe/Ulis
*Will be getting back a healthy Bledsoe and Knight (and Warren)+improvement from young guys
Kings
WCS/Koufos
Cousins/Casspi
Gay/Barnes
Affalo/McLemore
Collison/Temple
*Cousins is still the best player out of the teams on the bottom
Unlike pass years, I dont think many, if any teams will be going into the season with the idea of tanking. There isnt much parity at the top of the league but there is at the bottom |
I will add Dallas to the list of team the Lakers can potentially be better then. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Reasonable |
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matrixskillz Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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And the tank continues... _________________ We only celebrate championships.
"I GOT WHEATIES!" |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Past few years, LG always complains about ESPNs win total projections for us.
In retrospect, I think they've called our win totals pretty well.
Yinoma, what do you think about the projection? Is 25 wins fair?
I can remember you posting in the past that ESPN has actually been generous with our win projections in past years. I think you said they overestimated our win total a couple times. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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dcastillo Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | The only teams in the West we will be competing with are the Suns, Nuggets, and possibly Kings.
Denver
Jokic/Nurkic
Faried/Chandler
Gallo/W.Barton
G.Harris/J.Murrary
Mudiay/Nelson
*Will be getting back a healty Gallo and Chandler+improvement from young guys
Suns
Len/Chandler
Warren/Bender
Dudley/Tucker
Booker/Knight
Bledsoe/Ulis
*Will be getting back a healthy Bledsoe and Knight (and Warren)+improvement from young guys
Kings
WCS/Koufos
Cousins/Casspi
Gay/Barnes
Affalo/McLemore
Collison/Temple
*Cousins is still the best player out of the teams on the bottom
Unlike pass years, I dont think many, if any teams will be going into the season with the idea of tanking. There isnt much parity at the top of the league but there is at the bottom |
I will add Dallas to the list of team the Lakers can potentially be better then. |
Dallas added Barnes and bogut and they were a playoff team last year. Plus Jim Carey is a hell of a coach who knows how to get the best out of vets |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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dcastillo wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | The only teams in the West we will be competing with are the Suns, Nuggets, and possibly Kings.
Denver
Jokic/Nurkic
Faried/Chandler
Gallo/W.Barton
G.Harris/J.Murrary
Mudiay/Nelson
*Will be getting back a healty Gallo and Chandler+improvement from young guys
Suns
Len/Chandler
Warren/Bender
Dudley/Tucker
Booker/Knight
Bledsoe/Ulis
*Will be getting back a healthy Bledsoe and Knight (and Warren)+improvement from young guys
Kings
WCS/Koufos
Cousins/Casspi
Gay/Barnes
Affalo/McLemore
Collison/Temple
*Cousins is still the best player out of the teams on the bottom
Unlike pass years, I dont think many, if any teams will be going into the season with the idea of tanking. There isnt much parity at the top of the league but there is at the bottom |
I will add Dallas to the list of team the Lakers can potentially be better then. |
Dallas added Barnes and bogut and they were a playoff team last year. Plus Jim Carey is a hell of a coach who knows how to get the best out of vets |
Couple thoughts. Brandon Knight and Bledsoe will be PHX starting backcourt.
Booker has already said he grew an inch this offseason and is preparing to play some SF.
Also I think the Pelicans are a team we can compete against. And I think they'll be worse than PHX. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Das Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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dcastillo wrote: | Tbh if we get 30-35 wins this year that's still top 3 worst in the league I think. But hey it'll be a good improvement and a top pick more than likely again lol |
in what time in the history of the NBA that a team with 30-35 wins ends up being the 3rd worst team in the league?
my predictions is still 25-28 wins. |
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Shaber Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Based on our record of last seasons, what else could anyone predict? _________________ .
Lakers depth chart
PG Johnson / Goodrich
SG Bryant / West / Scott
SF Baylor / Worthy / Cooper
PF Mikkelsen / Hairston / McAdoo / Gasol
C Chamberlain / Abdul-Jabbar / O'Neal / Mikan |
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Cochese Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I have us at 30 wins, which isn't far off from ESPN's prediction. We'll be better than last year and hopefully play a more entertaining style of basketball. |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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s_habe wrote: | Based on our record of last seasons, what else could anyone predict? |
42 wins and a playoff berth? |
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dcastillo Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Das wrote: | dcastillo wrote: | Tbh if we get 30-35 wins this year that's still top 3 worst in the league I think. But hey it'll be a good improvement and a top pick more than likely again lol |
in what time in the history of the NBA that a team with 30-35 wins ends up being the 3rd worst team in the league?
my predictions is still 25-28 wins. |
I'm saying this year. Teams like wolves and maybe even Suns I can see winning 30+ this year. 76ers Nets will be 2 worst teams this year. For 3rd worst it'll be between lakers nuggets and kings |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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25 wins and last place? Byron could've done that without really trying
I'm going to resurrect this thread when we're fighting for a playoff spot. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | Past few years, LG always complains about ESPNs win total projections for us.
In retrospect, I think they've called our win totals pretty well.
Yinoma, what do you think about the projection? Is 25 wins fair?
I can remember you posting in the past that ESPN has actually been generous with our win projections in past years. I think you said they overestimated our win total a couple times. |
Yeah they've even been generous the past two seasons. Anything below 25 wins would be a disappointment. I think 25-28 is realistic. 28-33 is good. Anything above is pretty optimistic as of right now. |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Goldenwest wrote: | 25 wins and last place? Byron could've done that without really trying
I'm going to resurrect this thread when we're fighting for a playoff spot. |
Could he really? He won 17 games last seasons and he lost the players, they had no respect for him and did not listen. I am not sure he could win 25 games. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | 25 wins and last place? Byron could've done that without really trying
I'm going to resurrect this thread when we're fighting for a playoff spot. |
Could he really? He won 17 games last seasons and he lost the players, they had no respect for him and did not listen. I am not sure he could win 25 games. |
I think he meant he would get you the last place without even trying if it was as easy as to only get 25 wins. |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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zePokar wrote: | kikanga wrote: | Past few years, LG always complains about ESPNs win total projections for us.
In retrospect, I think they've called our win totals pretty well.
Yinoma, what do you think about the projection? Is 25 wins fair?
I can remember you posting in the past that ESPN has actually been generous with our win projections in past years. I think you said they overestimated our win total a couple times. |
Yeah they've even been generous the past two seasons. Anything below 25 wins would be a disappointment. I think 25-28 is realistic. 28-33 is good. Anything above is pretty optimistic as of right now. |
I would like to see the team be competitive, even if we don't win a lot. |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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zePokar wrote: | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | 25 wins and last place? Byron could've done that without really trying
I'm going to resurrect this thread when we're fighting for a playoff spot. |
Could he really? He won 17 games last seasons and he lost the players, they had no respect for him and did not listen. I am not sure he could win 25 games. |
I think he meant he would get you the last place without even trying if it was as easy as to only get 25 wins. |
I think we were a 27 win team last year with some actual coaching. Add another 10 wins to that with the maturation of the young guns and more balanced roster and added vets (+Mozgov > Hibbert) and were pushing 40 and yes we have an outside shot at sneaking into the playoffs, that's the way i see it anyway.
so Byron if he were still here would still get about 7-10 more wins from last year just from the improved roster |
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Gomur Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Goldenwest wrote: | That's due to the Byron/tanking effect. Our young guns are really undervalued due to the events of last season. I'm going to go out on a limb and say DLO, clarkson, Randle and Ingram will make NVE, Eddie and AP look pedestrian. |
I hope you're right... because Nick Van Exel and Eddie Jones were all-stars. |
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GreekTrojan Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with ESPN. I've also been right in calling the straight bad seasons of the past few seasons (Bottom 5 roster and bottom 5 coaching will do that). The Lakers have a new coaching staff and still have a bottom 5 roster when you factor out 'upside.' Right now the only teams in the NBA that have objectively worse rosters than the Lakers are The 76ers and the Nets (both in the East and if you really argued for them, you could rank the Nets above the Lakers and I wouldn't think you were insane).
Like all young teams, there is always a chance that players take a leap but its rare for all of the players to do it at the same time (players regress, get injuries, don't improve etc...). The Suns and Nuggets are both just as young and you could argue that their youngsters have shown even more potential than ours (Mudiay, Jokic, Booker etc...). Dallas is on the decline but Carlisle could coach five random posters in this thread to a competitive team. Kings certainly have some combustion potential but they still have Cousins and Gay. Just got to hope we look better (and land a top 3 pick again if were lucky). |
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Vic5150 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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s_habe wrote: | Based on our record of last seasons, what else could anyone predict? |
Couldn't put it better. Until we see how the new system, the growth of the young guys and the new culture translates to an actual NBA game, you can only predict tepid, if any, improvement. I think the majority of non delusional fans would be encouraged by steady improvement over the course of the season. |
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