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kawhileonard Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Eh, Lonzo has already beaten out most of that U23 list. Two Murray's?
Depending on how "Best PG" is framed:
DSJ
Doncic
Simmons
Mitchell
Jamal Murray
I think that's fair. |
It's called Dejounte Murray and Jamal Murray. |
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kawhileonard Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:59 am Post subject: |
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The Lebrons wrote: | kawhileonard wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | Spencer Dinwiddie lol |
True. One guy is significantly better than the other. |
Pretty sure this guy thought Smush Parker had all-star potential back in the day. |
Imagine, if you guys write the things u do on a nba neutral forum and see what the feedback would be like. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:59 am Post subject: |
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kawhileonard wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | Eh, Lonzo has already beaten out most of that U23 list. Two Murray's?
Depending on how "Best PG" is framed:
DSJ
Doncic
Simmons
Mitchell
Jamal Murray
I think that's fair. |
It's called Dejounte Murray and Jamal Murray. |
it's called trolling |
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kawhileonard Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | My favorite part about the Dinwiddie arguments is that despite being 3 years older than Lonzo, with basics statistically, Lonzo is already (basically) on par or considerably better, except for 1 category.
FT%.
So why on earth should I care about a PG that has had 3 years more development time in the NBA, and shoots a whopping 2% with FG% and 3ptFG%? |
Actually, Lonzo isn't on par with him.
Spencer can dribble. Lonzo cannot.
Spencer attacks the rim all the time, lonzo is afraid of the rim.
Spencer shoots fts very well, lonzo is in the same level as shaq in terms of fts.
Spencer can actually be effective in the halfcourt, lonzo not so much.
I would rate Spencer in the lower tier of starting pgs in the nba, so you can imagine how I rate Lonzo than. |
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PengShow Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Maybe go start a Spencer Dinwiddle fanclub seeing as you love posting about him, why dilute a Lonzo thread with posts about another player? |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:42 am Post subject: |
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kawhileonard wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | My favorite part about the Dinwiddie arguments is that despite being 3 years older than Lonzo, with basics statistically, Lonzo is already (basically) on par or considerably better, except for 1 category. FT%.
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I would rate Spencer in the lower tier of starting pgs in the nba, so you can imagine how I rate Lonzo than. | By ESPN Real Plus Minus (RPM),
Dinwiddie: Offensive RPM 2.61 (#11), Defensive RPM -0.21 (#39), Total RPM 2.40 (#13)
Ball: Offensive RPM -1.19 (#64), Defensive RPM 2.31 (#3), Total RPM 1.12 (#21)
Interestingly, ESPN RPM backs up the arguments by both Mike and K. Dinwiddie is in a "lower tier" of pgs (at #13) and Ball is even worse.
Ball had a bad rookie year on offense--led by his atrocious FT%--but once Ball fixes that and other aspects of his offensive game, Ball could be in the top tier of point guards--unlike Dinwiddie who already has had the time he needs to show what he will become. _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
--Anonymous
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Lakers_Homer123 Rookie
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Been a long time lurker so far, but just have to make my first post in this thread right now. Reading KL's posts it's just unbearable. Tell me, why do you hate on Lonzo so much?
This guy is ten times the talent and ten times the prospect Spencer Dinwiddie is. As of right now, after his first (!!) NBA season, Ball is an elite playmaker, perimeter/interior defender (26th in defensive win shares, Dinwiddie: 241st) and rebounder. He has his major flaws on offense, but dude's only 20 years old, five years younger than Spencer and has three fewer seasons under his belt. And considering all of this, there wasn't even a monumental difference in their respective eFG% (44% compared to 47.1%). So what's the point you're trying to make?
Oh and btw, in Spencer's rookie season, he had an eFG% of 33.3 at age 22. So I'm not concerned in the least about Lonzo's production last and in the upcoming seasons. He is young, a hard worker and now has two basketball savants in Rondo and LBJ as his new teammates. His offense can only improve from here... |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Annihilator wrote: | kawhileonard wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | My favorite part about the Dinwiddie arguments is that despite being 3 years older than Lonzo, with basics statistically, Lonzo is already (basically) on par or considerably better, except for 1 category. FT%.
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I would rate Spencer in the lower tier of starting pgs in the nba, so you can imagine how I rate Lonzo than. | By ESPN Real Plus Minus (RPM),
Dinwiddie: Offensive RPM 2.61 (#11), Defensive RPM -0.21 (#39), Total RPM 2.40 (#13)
Ball: Offensive RPM -1.19 (#64), Defensive RPM 2.31 (#3), Total RPM 1.12 (#21)
Interestingly, ESPN RPM backs up the arguments by both Mike and K. Dinwiddie is in a "lower tier" of pgs (at #13) and Ball is even worse.
Ball had a bad rookie year on offense--led by his atrocious FT%--but once Ball fixes that and other aspects of his offensive game, Ball could be in the top tier of point guards--unlike Dinwiddie who already has had the time he needs to show what he will become. |
Dinwiddie had a pretty nasty ACL tear at the end of his final college season, which dropped him down draft boards and delayed his progress his first season on a discombobulated Pistons team.
Of course, Lonzo as a freshman at UCLA was better than Dinwiddie as a college junior and produced a rookie season at age 20 that is on par with Dinwiddie's best year this past season at age 25. Despite the troll, Dinwiddie's development and talent can be appreciated while acknowledging that Lonzo has the higher ceiling and could surpass Dinwiddie as early as this upcoming season. _________________ Under New Management |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:55 am Post subject: |
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kawhileonard wrote: | Imagine, if you guys write the things u do on a nba neutral forum and see what the feedback would be like. |
I didn’t know that The Spencer’s mom has a Facebook page. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Lonzo's draft position says nothing about his projection or actual production. |
Actual production, yes. Projection is a different matter. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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kawhileonard wrote: | The Lebrons wrote: | kawhileonard wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | Spencer Dinwiddie lol |
True. One guy is significantly better than the other. |
Pretty sure this guy thought Smush Parker had all-star potential back in the day. |
Imagine, if you guys write the things u do on a nba neutral forum and see what the feedback would be like. |
"Neutral" NBA forums are full of regular fans whose impressions of other players are largely based off of marketing efforts. Write anything about Lonzo in a "neutral" NBA forum and watch how many times the word "LaVar" follows soon thereafter.
People in the NBA know that Lonzo can hoop, they aren't having silly conversations like this. These are strictly message board conversations.
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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December 18th is our first game against the Nets, mark your calenders folks... |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Of course, Lonzo as a freshman at UCLA was better than Dinwiddie as a college junior and produced a rookie season at age 20 that is on par with Dinwiddie's best year this past season at age 25. ........... Dinwiddie's development and talent can be appreciated while acknowledging that Lonzo has the higher ceiling and could surpass Dinwiddie as early as this upcoming season. | Very well stated.
BVH: Your avatar is great. _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Annihilator wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Of course, Lonzo as a freshman at UCLA was better than Dinwiddie as a college junior and produced a rookie season at age 20 that is on par with Dinwiddie's best year this past season at age 25. ........... Dinwiddie's development and talent can be appreciated while acknowledging that Lonzo has the higher ceiling and could surpass Dinwiddie as early as this upcoming season. | Very well stated.
BVH: Your avatar is great. |
Danke! _________________ Under New Management |
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markjay Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Annihilator wrote: | kawhileonard wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | My favorite part about the Dinwiddie arguments is that despite being 3 years older than Lonzo, with basics statistically, Lonzo is already (basically) on par or considerably better, except for 1 category. FT%.
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I would rate Spencer in the lower tier of starting pgs in the nba, so you can imagine how I rate Lonzo than. | By ESPN Real Plus Minus (RPM),
Dinwiddie: Offensive RPM 2.61 (#11), Defensive RPM -0.21 (#39), Total RPM 2.40 (#13)
Ball: Offensive RPM -1.19 (#64), Defensive RPM 2.31 (#3), Total RPM 1.12 (#21)
Interestingly, ESPN RPM backs up the arguments by both Mike and K. Dinwiddie is in a "lower tier" of pgs (at #13) and Ball is even worse.
Ball had a bad rookie year on offense--led by his atrocious FT%--but once Ball fixes that and other aspects of his offensive game, Ball could be in the top tier of point guards--unlike Dinwiddie who already has had the time he needs to show what he will become. |
And using Basketball Reference's BPM, Lonzo smashes Dinwiddle 1.7 to 0.2 — even though Lonzo is more than 4 1/2 years younger than Dinwiddle. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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This Dinwiddie stuff is driving me up a wall. |
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Fracture Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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This dude must be related to Spencer |
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Practice wrote: | This Dinwiddie stuff is driving me up a wall. |
His name being Spencer Dinwiddie enhances it. Sounds like the character in Transformers. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
SEDALE TRIBUTE
EDDIE DONX! |
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PlantedTanks Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Annihilator wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Of course, Lonzo as a freshman at UCLA was better than Dinwiddie as a college junior and produced a rookie season at age 20 that is on par with Dinwiddie's best year this past season at age 25. ........... Dinwiddie's development and talent can be appreciated while acknowledging that Lonzo has the higher ceiling and could surpass Dinwiddie as early as this upcoming season. | Very well stated.
BVH: Your avatar is great. |
Danke! |
Kind of mesmerizing.
Like he is trying to put us into a hypnotic trance so we all agree with him. I think it is working. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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kawhileonard wrote: | The Lebrons wrote: | kawhileonard wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | Spencer Dinwiddie lol |
True. One guy is significantly better than the other. |
Pretty sure this guy thought Smush Parker had all-star potential back in the day. |
Imagine, if you guys write the things u do on a nba neutral forum and see what the feedback would be like. |
I been posting on r/nba for 4 years, I posted on non Laker forums since 2008. Yes this forum is obviously bias about the Lakers. but no, the general consensus isn't Dinwiddie>Ball. Not even close, you think all of are restricted to Lakersground or something? Half of the people that post here post on nba reddit, who are you trying to fool?
Also, I think it's hilarious that you're trying to tell LFR what the general consensus is. This dude literally talks to people with more NBA connections then any of us can dream of on a daily basis, you think he doesn't have a grasp of what the opinions are like? _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. Let's think this out.
OP is a big DLo fan.
DLo gets sent packing and is replaced by Lonzo.
OP then follows DLo to Brooklyn so he watches a lot of Nets games.
OP then brings up Spencer to throw shade at Lonzo.
I wonder why. |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | Ok. Let's think this out.
OP is a big DLo fan.
DLo gets sent packing and is replaced by Lonzo.
OP then follows DLo to Brooklyn so he watches a lot of Nets games.
OP then brings up Spencer to throw shade at Lonzo.
I wonder why. |
You're a pretty insightful fellow. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ban this bozo then. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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In a winner take all Game 7 to save humanity, do we choose Spencer Dinwiddie or Prime Michael Jordan? I really don’t have a good answer for this one... |
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